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« on: April 22, 2010, 09:15:36 AM »
Aftershocks of Big Ten expansion could alter entire landscape

SCOTTSDALE, Ariz -- Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany broke his silence concerning conference expansion Wednesday and said almost nothing during a 30-minute chat/filibuster with reporters. A few hours later, SEC commissioner Mike Slive needed about 30 seconds to speak volumes.

Slive poured himself a cup of coffee, took his seat, unfolded a slip of paper and began to read.

"Given the success the SEC has experienced over the past decade, we are very comfortable with the position in which we find ourselves today," Slive said after a day of BCS meetings. "Having said that, if there is going to be a significant shift in the conference paradigm, the SEC will be strategic and thoughtful to make sure that it maintains its position as one of the nation's pre-eminent conferences."

Declarations of war have been less emphatic. Translated, Slive's statement means this: If the Big Ten expands into a superconference, the SEC will make itself just as super. Just listen to Slive himself, from a more off-the-cuff moment Wednesday. "I won't just sit back," he said, "and ignore what is going on around me."

Meanwhile, Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott said his conference should decide by year's end -- before it begins its next round of television negotiations -- whether it will expand. If it does, Scott said, the conference will use the "Noah's Ark philosophy, two-by-two." The plan, it seems, would be to add just two. But if the Big Ten and SEC supersize, who knows?

Get ready, college sports fans, because everything is about to change.

If the Big Ten expands to 14 or 16 teams and prompts the SEC to expand, everyone will go looking for shelter. If you didn't like the idea of six conferences controlling everything before, just wait until four conferences have all the power.

Big East commissioner John Marinatto and Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe are understandably nervous. Their conferences stand to be annihilated if the Big Ten, SEC and Pac-10 move simultaneously. Judging by Slive's pledge to be proactive, that's exactly what would happen if the Big Ten decides to go really big.

"It would be irresponsible of me not to be concerned about all of that stuff," Marinatto said. "It's not the elephant in the room anymore. Everybody talks about it -- although it's not on our agenda. We're all concerned about it. Not only the Big East, but everyone. How will -- if they do anything -- it expand or contract the marketplace for intercollegiate athletics?"

Moments before Delany met reporters Wednesday, the Big East e-mailed a release that former NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue had signed on to provide strategic assistance. Tagliabue's main role, in the long run, may be to help the Big East pick up the pieces for the second time in less than 10 years after another raid. Marinatto and former commissioner Mike Tranghese did a brilliant job reinventing the league after the ACC snatched Boston College, Miami and Virginia Tech. The job could be considerably tougher if the Big Ten takes Pittsburgh, Rutgers and Syracuse.

Before you deluge me with e-mails about how some team would be a better choice for the Big Ten because of its football record the past few years, remember one thing. Despite the commissioners' collective ability to rattle off the number of championships their conference's teams have won, this has little to do with what happens on the field. This is about money and power and the accumulation of both.

The Big Ten has a hammer. It's called the Big Ten Network, which allows the conference to distribute $22 million to each school in the league each year. That's why even Notre Dame, which cherishes its football independence more than it cherishes money, could become a candidate for the Big Ten if that league smashes up the Big East, of which Notre Dame is a non-football member. Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick has maintained that the program will do everything to protect its independence, but if everything changes, can the Fighting Irish afford to?

The SEC also has a hammer in the form of a pair of monster deals with CBS and ESPN that allow the SEC to pay out $17 million a year to each team and -- unlike the Big Ten -- still allow teams to negotiate their own local rights deals. The Pac-10 doesn't have as much leverage, but it owns the Los Angeles and Bay Area television markets, and that's a very big deal.

So while expansion wasn't on the agenda for the BCS meetings, it hangs over the proceedings. Oklahoma athletic director Joe Castiglione said that while he understood everyone wanted a sound bite to encapsulate the mood, he couldn't provide one. A few seconds later, he produced the perfect one.

"It's a little complicated right now," said Castiglione, who could find himself reporting to Slive instead of Beebe if realignment gets radical.

It's fitting that Castiglione used the phrase any Facebook member would use to describe a confusing courtship, because that's essentially what this is. Just ask Delany. "You're not trying to find somebody you're going to spend a year with," he said. "You're trying to figure out what you're going to be for the next 25 or 50 years."

Delany isn't going to propose this week, but he could propose soon. Big Ten athletic directors and presidents will do their homework. They will crunch the numbers. They may even go on a few dates. Then they'll authorize Delany to drop to one knee and invite one, three or five lucky schools to live in the mansion of a conference that boasts its own television network that could soon appear on the expanded basic cable systems in more than a third of American homes. That may not sound sexy to you, but to an athletic director and a university president, it's the equivalent of a flawless three-carat, round-cut diamond.

Delany said little of substance, but one nugget stood out. "It's possible," Delany said, "that we may act in a way that it would be more than a single member." That's his first public acknowledgment that the league might expand beyond 12 teams. Delany also said Big Ten presidents might not approve expansion at all, but why would the league put out a release in December announcing its plan to examine expansion without having some ducks already in a row?

As Delany spoke Wednesday, two non-media folks hung near the front of the room. The first was Ari Fleischer, the former White House press secretary who now serves as the chief spin doctor for the BCS. The second was WAC commissioner Karl Benson, who, like all of his colleagues, wanted to hear what one of the guys with a hammer had to say.

Because once Delany or Slive takes that first swing, the blow will reverberate through all of college athletics.



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Re: Super-Conferences may be coming sooner than we think
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2010, 09:39:56 AM »
Hmmm, I have mixed feelings about this one.  1.  It would be awesome to have a Florida State in the SEC West.  To get to play them every year would be a blast.  2.  However, this would almost kill any out of conference games and attempt to eliminate the mid majors.
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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2010, 09:52:23 AM »

Any more than 12 is too many. It will hurt the SEC more than anyone. The out of conference games would all become jokes because of the in house competition. And who would you bring in? We already have a few patsies in the league. Troy State would not be an upgrade.
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2010, 10:03:47 AM »
The out of conference games would all become jokes because of the in house competition. And who would you bring in?
And this is different from now?

I'd say Oklahoma and FSU would be great in the SEC. Texas and T A&M will prolly go together, but them in the Big 10 is a geographical nightmare - think away games.
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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2010, 10:07:51 AM »
And this is different from now?

I'd say Oklahoma and FSU would be great in the SEC. Texas and T A&M will prolly go together, but them in the Big 10 is a geographical nightmare - think away games.
Everyone has at least one out of conference game that is against a tough opponent. These would go away altogether.
And you are really sporting big wood if you think we would have our choice of any team. Okla.? FSU? UT ? aTm?

That's funny as hell. Schools will not be jumping ship from normal conferences to run to the super conferences as easily as they make it seem. They more than likely will try to create their own. And this means bringing in lesser competition, not better.
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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2010, 10:48:52 AM »
Texas and T A&M will prolly go together, but them in the Big 10 is a geographical nightmare - think away games.

These two come to the SEC for the ties to Arkansas and the old SWC alone.
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2010, 11:31:02 AM »
I'd like to see Southern Miss, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Tulane, Florida State and either South Florida or Memphis or Bowling Green or somebody like that join the SEC.  Turn it into a three-division league.   The SEC Championship would be a two-week deal with the three division winners and one wildcard. 
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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2010, 11:41:22 AM »
What would probably make the most sense at least for the SEC would be to let Arkansas move into the Big XII and pick up the likes of Clemson, Florida State and Miami.  Then you could have two divisions with 7 teams.  You play all 6 in your division and 3 rotating opponents from the other division, then 3 out of conference patsies.

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Auburn
LSU
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

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Florida
Florida State
Georgia
Kentucky
Miami
South Carolina
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Re: Super-Conferences may be coming sooner than we think
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2010, 11:49:19 AM »
I'd like to see Southern Miss, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Tulane, Florida State and either South Florida or Memphis or Bowling Green or somebody like that join the SEC.  Turn it into a three-division league.   The SEC Championship would be a two-week deal with the three division winners and one wildcard. 

Memphis, Tulane and BG?

What the fuck are you trying to do to our beloved conference?
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« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2010, 11:53:41 AM »
Memphis, Tulane and BG?

What the fuck are you trying to do to our beloved conference?

I needed a sixth school.  I hate Miami.  Don't want them.  Tulane used to be in so that made logical sense to me. 

Tried to think of something in Tennessee, Georgia, Kentucky region and came up with Memphis and BG.  Besides, it might give Vandy somebody to compete with. 

I don't really care who they add but I would like Southern Miss (because it would piss off the entire state of Mississippi and be hilarious) and FSU and Clemson.  The other three beyond that if they go to six?  Irrelevant.
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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2010, 11:58:33 AM »
I needed a sixth school.  I hate Miami.  Don't want them.  Tulane used to be in so that made logical sense to me. 

Tried to think of something in Tennessee, Georgia, Kentucky region and came up with Memphis and BG.  Besides, it might give Vandy somebody to compete with. 

I don't really care who they add but I would like Southern Miss (because it would piss off the entire state of Mississippi and be hilarious) and FSU and Clemson.  The other three beyond that if they go to six?  Irrelevant.

From a revenue standpoint (and that's really what this is all about), Miami is your no-brainer amongst that collection of misfits.

I could accept SM, but I don't "want" them.  Fuck Mississippians and whatever might piss them off.
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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2010, 12:59:49 PM »
Everyone has at least one out of conference game that is against a tough opponent. These would go away altogether.
And you are really sporting big wood if you think we would have our choice of any team. Okla.? FSU? UT ? aTm?

That's funny as hell. Schools will not be jumping ship from normal conferences to run to the super conferences as easily as they make it seem. They more than likely will try to create their own. And this means bringing in lesser competition, not better.

It would be a domino effect.  If the Big Ten is going to add 5 teams and have a 16 team conference, and the SEC is attempting to do the same to keep up, teams in other conferences are going to listen to any and all offers because they aren't going to want to be the one's left standing without a seat at the table.

Say the Big Ten goes after three Big East schools, as well as Nebraska and Missouri from the Big XII North.  Then the SEC is looking for four teams too.  You think Texas and Texas A&M won't want to listen to the SEC?  Otherwise the SEC could end up adding FSU, Miami, Clemson, and Georgia Tech.  All of the sudden the Big XII is down to 10 teams, the others are at 16, and the revenue power of those conferences would dwarf that of the Big XII.  And as powerful and rich as the UT athletic department is, it couldn't compete financially against those other conferences (at least not the way it does now).

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« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2010, 01:15:34 PM »
And this is different from now?

I'd say Oklahoma and FSU would be great in the SEC. Texas and T A&M will prolly go together, but them in the Big 10 is a geographical nightmare - think away games.

I don't think Texas and Texas A&M in the Big Ten would be too odd.  They already have Nebraska, Missouri, and Iowa State, which are all essentially as far north as Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio State, etc.   If they had to go to Syracuse or Penn State, that would be a long way.  But they already go about 1,000 miles to Ames and Boulder...so 1,200 miles to Columbus or Madison isn't much of a difference.

I'm sure they would come up with a Big Ten West and East that kept the really long travel to a minimum. 

West: Texas, Texas A&M, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio State.

East: Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, Purdue, Pitt, Syracuse, Rutgers, and Northwestern.
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« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2010, 01:22:46 PM »
I don't think Texas and Texas A&M in the Big Ten would be too odd.  They already have Nebraska, Missouri, and Iowa State, which are all essentially as far north as Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio State, etc.   If they had to go to Syracuse or Penn State, that would be a long way.  But they already go about 1,000 miles to Ames and Boulder...so 1,200 miles to Columbus or Madison isn't much of a difference.

I'm sure they would come up with a Big Ten West and East that kept the really long travel to a minimum. 

West: Texas, Texas A&M, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio State.

East: Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, Purdue, Pitt, Syracuse, Rutgers, and Northwestern.

I actually dont think Texas and aTm will go to the SEC. I just said they would go wherever together. I really think Neb and FSU are good choices for the SEC. Neb on the West Side. FSU on the east side.   14 teams is plenty. 16 is too many IMHO.
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« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2010, 01:32:30 PM »
Tech and Clemson to the SEC East

Texas & aTm to the West

phuk FSU...they pussied out years ago.........relegate them back to a female teachers college and they can go down to Thug U every other year and get raped in front of 15,000 Cuban Exiles in the old Orange Bowl.

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« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2010, 01:44:29 PM »
Tech and Clemson to the SEC East

Texas & aTm to the West

phuk FSU...they pussied out years ago.........relegate them back to a female teachers college and they can go down to Thug U every other year and get raped in front of 15,000 Cuban Exiles in the old Orange Bowl.

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Id take FSU over those other ACC schools anyday. FSU is a big marquee name. The others get about 5-10K at their Spring Games and one is in Atlanta so.....
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« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2010, 01:55:56 PM »
Id take FSU over those other ACC schools anyday. FSU is a big marquee name. The others get about 5-10K at their Spring Games and one is in Atlanta so.....

I wouldn't slit my wrist if FSU was admitted.......just prefer Tech (former member, more history and a more traditional rival for AU and uga)..........and FSU pussied out in 1992 and the SEC ended up with Sou. Car.........aint no forgiving that in my book.

As for Atlanta.........something special about beatin Tech at Grant Field........wished Tubs had figured that out.... :)

Maybe take Tech and FSU or take Tech, FSU, Clemson and Texas............that would be sweet.....just do not think Texas moves w/o aTm.

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« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2010, 02:16:14 PM »
Maybe take Tech and FSU or take Tech, FSU, Clemson and Texas............that would be sweet.....just do not think Texas moves w/o aTm.
Out here, TX does not give one small shit about A&M.  The rivalry means a helluva lot more to A&M people.  I don't think for one minute that it would have to be a both or nothing kind of deal. 

Plus, they could still play as OOC opponents even if TX came to the SEC, kind of like Tulane and LSU do.
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« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2010, 02:29:20 PM »
Out here, TX does not give one small poop about A&M.  The rivalry means a helluva lot more to A&M people.  I don't think for one minute that it would have to be a both or nothing kind of deal. 

Plus, they could still play as OOC opponents even if TX came to the SEC, kind of like Tulane and LSU do.

Things change over time, so............

It may not be a stumbling block today....but it was a package deal in the 1990-91 SEC expansion talks.......Arkansas is a member of the SEC today because a solution could not be found to bring both Texas and aTm in 1992 and Texas would not come w/o them.....if my old and addled brain is remembering correctly. :)

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« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2010, 02:34:21 PM »
Things change over time, so............

It may not be a stumbling block today....but it was a package deal in the 1990-91 SEC expansion talks.......Arkansas is a member of the SEC today because a solution could not be found to bring both Texas and aTm in 1992 and Texas would not come w/o them.....if my old and addled brain is remembering correctly. :)
You are correct, but I think it is a "current day" situation - UT is by far the more dominant, more powerful, more financially secure  program in the state, head and shoulders above all the other teams combined.  I don't think for one minute in this "money trupms all" climate that UT would blink at leaving without A&M if it were the right thing for UT. 

The UT - OU rivalry is a much bigger game.  I would be more interested in how that would be affected since in recent years the winner of that game pretty much sewed up the Big XII South.
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