Here's an interesting comparison 'tween Tubs & Chizik

The Prowler · « **on:** February 05, 2010, 08:11:49 AM »

Between Rivals and Scout, Coach Chizik & Co. have brought in seven 5 Star prospects, in 2 years. Coach Tuberville & Co. brought in seven 5 Star prospects, in 6 years.

Chizik:
D. Washington (tos)
E. Freeman (tos)
S. Coleman (rivals)
C. Lemonier (tos)
M. Dyer (both)
T. Reed (tos)
C. Newton (rivals)

Tubs:
K. Burns (tos)
B. Eddins (tos)
L. Hart (tos)
B. Jacobs (both)
T. Blackmon (both)
B. Obomanu (rivals)
G. Smith (rivals)

AUChizad · « **Reply #1 on:** February 05, 2010, 09:03:44 AM »

Quote from: The Prowler on February 05, 2010, 08:11:49 AM

Between Rivals and Scout, Coach Chizik & Co. have brought in seven 5 Star prospects, in ~~2 years~~ a year and a month. Coach Tuberville & Co. brought in seven 5 Star prospects, in ~~6 years~~ nearly 7 years.

Fixt.

Buzz Killington · « **Reply #2 on:** February 05, 2010, 09:13:40 AM »

While I see where you are going with this, I really don't think you can call Eltoro a Chizik get. I realize he had to seal the deal ultimately, but Tubs had him on his list twice before he ~~got canned~~ ~~resigned~~ ~~took the money and ran~~ left Auburn.

Still...this staff is definitely recruiting in a different manner. Hopefully it will also end up bringing more W's along the way too.

War Eagle!!! · « **Reply #3 on:** February 05, 2010, 09:54:36 AM »

Tuberville is gone. Why people have to hate one to like the other, or justify the other, is beyond me...

AUChizad · « **Reply #4 on:** February 05, 2010, 10:13:52 AM »

Quote from: War Eagle!!! on February 05, 2010, 09:54:36 AM

Tuberville is gone. Why people have to hate one to like the other, or justify the other, is beyond me...

I don't think there's any hate involved in that post.

Just pointing out what a stellar job Chizik has done. And using the previous coach to put it in perspective.

Saniflush · « **Reply #5 on:** February 05, 2010, 10:32:10 AM »

Quote from: War Eagle!!! on February 05, 2010, 09:54:36 AM

Tuberville is gone. Why people have to hate one to like the other, or justify the other, is beyond me...

Yeah I gotta say I didn't feel any hate in it. Just simply a baseline for comparison. Someone who does not like CTT (and I know VERY VERY few) would construe it that way I guess.

He could have compared it against Tot recruits I guess but Al Gore had not really gotten the ebays up and running at that point. So the comparison would have even less denominators to go by. As we have all beat into the ground, all this star shit is subjective at best.

The Prowler · « **Reply #6 on:** February 05, 2010, 10:39:49 AM »

Quote from: Saniflush on February 05, 2010, 10:32:10 AM

Yeah I gotta say I didn't feel any hate in it. Just simply a baseline for comparison. Someone who does not like CTT (and I know VERY VERY few) would construe it that way I guess.

He could have compared it against Tot recruits I guess but Al Gore had not really gotten the ebays up and running at that point. So the comparison would have even less denominators to go by. As we have all beat into the ground, all this star shit is subjective at best.

Correct...no hating involved, it's just that Coach Tubs had been our HC for the last 10 years. I mean I guess I could've goneback to the Coach Jordan days..and yeah the stars are subjective...but Da Grillz? Now that'sa different story.

Buzz Killington · « **Reply #7 on:** February 05, 2010, 10:49:33 AM »

Quote from: The Prowler on February 05, 2010, 10:39:49 AM

Correct...no hating involved, it's just that Coach Tubs had been our HC for the last 10 years. I mean I guess I could've goneback to the Coach Jordan days..and yeah the stars are subjective...but Da Grillz? Now that'sa different story.

Shug gave out no diamond rope chains.

jadennis · « **Reply #8 on:** February 05, 2010, 11:03:37 AM »

Saw this Tuberville quote that I thought was interesting.

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When it comes to squeezing in under the NCAA scholarship limit, Tommy Tuberville has an interesting approach. He says he likes to stash kids at junior colleges and re-sign them two years down the road, when they're ready to step in right away. This allows him to keep from having to carry players who won't contribute. It's almost like NBA teams letting a draft pick remain in Europe.

"Each one of my coaches, they've got to find at least one great player that they can put in a juco," Tuberville said. "You do that with seven, eight, nine of those a year, you can win a lot of games (down the road) like that."

Right now Tech only has 13 scholarship seniors for 2010, which theoretically means they will only be able to sign 13 recruits next February. But Tuberville says that he expects only 18 or 20 of his 25 class of 2010 signees to qualify, giving him an extra five or seven scholarships to use next year.

There is some logic to it I think....although maybe not practical or reliable. You take 20 or so of the best high school guys you can get. Then you take some that are also thought to be great players, but ones you know won't get in. You send them off to JUCO and hope to get them back two years later.

So two years later, you take your 20 new HS seniors, plus 3-5 of the JUCO guys you got two years prior, and there is your class. It's obviously not reliable, but Freeman, Fairley, and MacCalebb worked out to help this year.

jadennis · « **Reply #9 on:** February 05, 2010, 11:16:32 AM »

One note on the comparison to Chizik and Tuberville.....we have to remember that it's really a staff verses staff comparison. Chizik's staff just has more big time recruiters, simple as that. Thigpen, Taylor, Luper, and even Grimes, Malzahn, and Rocker all did a big time job.

Trooper Taylor: One 5-star, four 4-star
Bonomolo
Coleman
Goodwin
Kitchens
Lemonier
Reed
Richardson

Curtis Luper: Two 5-star, one 4-star
Dyer
Reed
Christian
Newton

Tracy Rocker: four 4-star
Carter
Goodwin
Kitchens
Lemonier
McNeal
Whitaker

Jeff Grimes: One 5-star, four 4-stars
Coleman
Carter
Gayden
Mosley
Sanders
Slade
White

Saniflush · « **Reply #10 on:** February 05, 2010, 11:32:26 AM »

Quote from: jadennis on February 05, 2010, 11:16:32 AM

One note on the comparison to Chizik and Tuberville.....we have to remember that it's really a staff verses staff comparison. Chizik's staff just has more big time recruiters, simple as that. Thigpen, Taylor, Luper, and even Grimes, Malzahn, and Rocker all did a big time job.

Spot on.

Only thing that bothers me about CTT's comment is I don't really remember him doing that here. Maybe it was happening and not being advertised. Just sounds eerily similar to the philosophy that sank Jackie Sherrill at MSU. Loading up on the JC guys who give no long term stability to the program.

Selective memory?

The Prowler · « **Reply #11 on:** February 05, 2010, 11:38:46 AM »

Correct, it's more of a staff vs staff. Who was the poster that said I didn't know what I was talkin' about when I stated that Coach Chizik had hired a coaching staff that were really good to great recruiters.....I wonder, if that poster will ever step up and tell me that I was right about the coaching staff's ability on the recruiting trail. Meh, probably not.

Buzz Killington · « **Reply #12 on:** February 05, 2010, 11:43:19 AM »

Quote from: Saniflush on February 05, 2010, 11:32:26 AM

Spot on.

Only thing that bothers me about CTT's comment is I don't really remember him doing that here. Maybe it was happening and not being advertised. Just sounds eerily similar to the philosophy that sank Jackie Sherrill at MSU. Loading up on the JC guys who give no long term stability to the program.

Selective memory?

Maybe a little. I don't really remember him doing much of that through his first 4-5 years, but we have all hashed and re-hashed the "non-qualifiers" that he took over the last 3 or so years he was on the Plains. Sometimes it works perfectly, and others it comes back to bite you in the ass. I think there were quite a few ass biters in his last couple or three recruiting classes fo sho.

Godfather · « **Reply #13 on:** February 05, 2010, 12:29:38 PM »

I hate all of you and this post.

Signed,
Kaos

wesfau2 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 05, 2010, 12:30:48 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on February 05, 2010, 12:29:38 PM

I hate all of you and this post.

Signed,
Kaos

Does he have time to hate this, too? I figgered he was all tied up hatin teh gays.

Godfather · « **Reply #15 on:** February 05, 2010, 12:36:58 PM »

Quote from: wesfau2 on February 05, 2010, 12:30:48 PM

Does he have time to hate this, too? I figgered he was all tied up hatin teh gays.

Hey just cause your butthole quivers every time you see a man, doesn't mean you should judge either.

wesfau2 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 05, 2010, 12:38:52 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on February 05, 2010, 12:36:58 PM

Hey just cause your butthole quivers every time you see a man, doesn't mean you should judge either.

Who's judging? Everyone should hate whomever they like. Or something along those lines.

Godfather · « **Reply #17 on:** February 05, 2010, 12:41:16 PM »

Quote from: wesfau2 on February 05, 2010, 12:38:52 PM

Who's judging? Everyone should hate whomever they like. Or something along those lines.

Is it allright for me to hate fat strippers?

Saniflush · « **Reply #18 on:** February 05, 2010, 01:20:54 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on February 05, 2010, 12:41:16 PM

Is it allright for me to hate fat strippers?

but you don't.

"I came back in time to call ya a cracka."

GH2001 · « **Reply #19 on:** February 05, 2010, 01:34:49 PM »

Quote from: jadennis on February 05, 2010, 11:03:37 AM

Saw this Tuberville quote that I thought was interesting.

There is some logic to it I think....although maybe not practical or reliable. You take 20 or so of the best high school guys you can get. Then you take some that are also thought to be great players, but ones you know won't get in. You send them off to JUCO and hope to get them back two years later.

So two years later, you take your 20 new HS seniors, plus 3-5 of the JUCO guys you got two years prior, and there is your class. It's obviously not reliable, but Freeman, Fairley, and MacCalebb worked out to help this year.

Maybe just me - but I hate that philosophy.