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Re: Is it as bad as you thought it'd be?
« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2010, 03:17:36 PM »
Do assholes succeed at Auburn?

Don't think we've tried that approach.  Dye was the closest, but he couldn't pull it off. 

Shug Jordan = Gentleman
Doug Barfield = Mr. Nice Guy, love to go to church with him
Pat Dye = Tough exterior, soft on the inside
Terry Bowden = Punk ass couldn't pull off mean if he tried
Tommy Tuberville = Class guy, never showed the asshole tendency Saban does
Gene Chizik = **comments redacted **
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Re: Is it as bad as you thought it'd be?
« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2010, 03:21:58 PM »
Gene Chizik = **comments redacted **

C'mon....hit me with it.
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Re: Is it as bad as you thought it'd be?
« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2010, 03:22:55 PM »
C'mon....hit me with it.

mmmmmmmmmfffffffff......gaaaaaaaaa.........

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Re: Is it as bad as you thought it'd be?
« Reply #43 on: January 21, 2010, 03:24:08 PM »
mmmmmmmmmfffffffff......gaaaaaaaaa.........

Goofy ass Jack Palance looking clown

Wonder if he tells players when he's pissed that he's "crapped bigger" than them?
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Re: Is it as bad as you thought it'd be?
« Reply #44 on: January 21, 2010, 03:29:35 PM »
As much as it makes me  :puke:...

Saban's single-minded butthole focus is what turned the trick for Bama.  After the parade of "good guys" who came through there after Stallings, his pissed at the world mentality, his General Sherman through Atlanta focus was what the program needed.  

I do find it amusing that only when led by certified buttholeS does that program find success.  Bryant was a complete motherphuker and a total hardass butthole.  Stallings, and I can vouch for this personally, was nothing like his grandfatherly demeanor when he was on the field.  He was a mean ass, cruel son-of-a-bitch who wasn't above trading on precious little Johnny's mental deficiencies to make a point.  

Bama needs bastard at the helm to succeed.  

That said, the ray of hope for me is that bastards generally don't succeed over the long haul.  There's only so long that people will tolerate being an butthole. That tolerance is completely dependent on winning. Right now, it's okay for Saban to be an butthole.  But when the record's 9-3 and one of the three is a loss to Auburn, that prickly personality is going to piss off supporters, not just fans.  

It's not just the butthole part...it's the intense discipline and newness of it too.  Sometimes just the new message and fresh approach yields quick results.  It's why you see it happen from time to time that a new coach comes in, brings his new discipline, new approach, and if he can sell it to the existing kids, a lot of times you get a quick turnaround and big results.

But as you mentioned, it often doesn't last with the same results, as that butthole-ness or "new" message often wears on kids after 3 or 4 years.  

Take Saban at LSU...the year before he got there they were 3-8...his first year they were 8-4, then 10-3, but then dropped to 8-5.  He peaked at 13-1 in the fourth year of his first recruiting class.  But then back down to 9-3.  

Lou Holtz (who is nothing like Saban, but was a "new voice" at S Carolina) had similar results.  The year before he got there they were 1-10.  His first year they were 0-11.  But then he went 8-4 and 9-3.  Again, 9-3 was the fourth year of his first class of recruits.  After that he sank back to 5-7, 5-7, 6-5 before retiring.

A lot of coaches can keep it going, or after that first dip, they can stay creative and renew things within.  I think we'll know a lot more about Saban's career at Alabama from years 4-5 than we will from years 1-3.

Other examples:

Alvarez's last year at Wisconsin 10-4.  Bielema's first three years....12-1, 9-4, 7-6.
Gary Barnett's last year at Northwestern 3-9.  Randy Walker's first 3 years 3-8, 8-4, but then back to 4-7, 3-9.
Bob Davie's last year at Notre Dame 5-6.  Willingham's three years 10-3, 5-7, 6-6.
Willingham's last year at ND, 6-6.  Chuck's first three years at Notre Dame, 9-3, 10-3, 3-9.
Dirk Koetter's last year at Arizona State 7-6.  Dennis Erikson's three years, 10-3, 5-7, 4-8.
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Re: Is it as bad as you thought it'd be?
« Reply #45 on: January 21, 2010, 05:24:45 PM »
Ingram was vastly overrated, you could plug any fuck in that slot and have the same kind of stats (as you'll see next season).  
Total bullshit. Its not like we have some vastly talented OL blowing holes open in the DL or something, and he just goes about untouched. Our OL is serviceable, and they certainly aren't as good as last year's. How exactly is Ingram vastly overrated?
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Re: Is it as bad as you thought it'd be?
« Reply #46 on: January 21, 2010, 06:03:18 PM »
Total bullpoop. Its not like we have some vastly talented OL blowing holes open in the DL or something, and he just goes about untouched. Our OL is serviceable, and they certainly aren't as good as last year's. How exactly is Ingram vastly overrated?

I hate it dammit, but I agree to some extent....he isn't vastly overrated...maybe only slightly so, meaning, there are quite a few other backs that could probably have done the same thing or more on that same team. 

Who and with what results?  Well, it just doesn't work that way.  Ingram was the guy that ran for Alabama, and not LaMichael James or Ryan Matthews or Donald Buckram (all guys who had hired yds/carry) so we have to live with Ingram's results only.  The thing is, had any of those other three guys performed exactly like they did (all having over 1500 yards), but for Alabama, they would have had the Heisman too.  Yes, I acknowledge that that is often the case with Heisman winners.
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Re: Is it as bad as you thought it'd be?
« Reply #47 on: January 21, 2010, 06:50:48 PM »
Total bullshit. Its not like we have some vastly talented OL blowing holes open in the DL or something, and he just goes about untouched. Our OL is serviceable, and they certainly aren't as good as last year's. How exactly is Ingram vastly overrated?

I think the adverb "vastly" comes in when he holds up the Heisman Trophy.  But he's really not that overrated.

He's a really good running back.  He's like a starting running back in the NFL.  Most of them aren't that flashy; they just pound 4-5 yards almost every play. 
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Re: Is it as bad as you thought it'd be?
« Reply #48 on: January 21, 2010, 07:20:07 PM »
I hate it dammit, but I agree to some extent....he isn't vastly overrated...maybe only slightly so, meaning, there are quite a few other backs that could probably have done the same thing or more on that same team. 

Who and with what results?  Well, it just doesn't work that way.  Ingram was the guy that ran for Alabama, and not LaMichael James or Ryan Matthews or Donald Buckram (all guys who had hired yds/carry) so we have to live with Ingram's results only.  The thing is, had any of those other three guys performed exactly like they did (all having over 1500 yards), but for Alabama, they would have had the Heisman too.  Yes, I acknowledge that that is often the case with Heisman winners.
Its fine to say well somebody arguably could have done better. Its just like you said, Ingram was the one running at Alabama, and we have his results to live by. Who is to say that any of the backs you listed could have done as well or better against the teams Alabama played? Ingram has certainly stepped up to the plate from his backup role last year.

2008: 143 carries for 728 yards and 12 TDs, 7 receptions for 54 yards, 1 fumble
2009: 271 carries for 1,658 yards and 17 TDs, 32 receptions for 334 yards and 3 TDs, 0 fumbles

Thats not too shabby when your freshman backup had 145 carries for 751 yards with 8 TDs, and 16 receptions for 126 yards.
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Re: Is it as bad as you thought it'd be?
« Reply #49 on: January 21, 2010, 10:11:29 PM »
Here are a few reasons why I don't panic too much over Auburn's recent recruiting success:

1. Alabama is still bringing in a good level of talent.

2. Tennessee, LSU, UGA, South Carolina, Notre Dame, FSU, Michigan, etc. Figure it out.

We have nothing in common with those schools in point #2. When has Auburn ever been known for underachieving with the talent at hand? But I agree - UGA is the king of getting talent and squandering it.
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Re: Is it as bad as you thought it'd be?
« Reply #50 on: January 21, 2010, 10:52:34 PM »
Its fine to say well somebody arguably could have done better. Its just like you said, Ingram was the one running at Alabama, and we have his results to live by. Who is to say that any of the backs you listed could have done as well or better against the teams Alabama played? Ingram has certainly stepped up to the plate from his backup role last year.

2008: 143 carries for 728 yards and 12 TDs, 7 receptions for 54 yards, 1 fumble
2009: 271 carries for 1,658 yards and 17 TDs, 32 receptions for 334 yards and 3 TDs, 0 fumbles

Thats not too shabby when your freshman backup had 145 carries for 751 yards with 8 TDs, and 16 receptions for 126 yards.
Ingram had a fumble this year.  Just sayin.....
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Re: Is it as bad as you thought it'd be?
« Reply #51 on: January 21, 2010, 11:00:24 PM »
Ingram had a fumble this year.  Just sayin.....
Yeah, I think he fumbled against Chattanooga or some scrub team. Maybe it was USCe? Can't really remember The stat line didn't show it, but I think I remember it. I think his fumble last season was against UF? Still, 2 fumbles in two years when over half your yards are yards after contact isn't bad at all.
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Re: Is it as bad as you thought it'd be?
« Reply #52 on: January 21, 2010, 11:06:24 PM »
Total bullshit. Its not like we have some vastly talented OL blowing holes open in the DL or something, and he just goes about untouched. Our OL is serviceable, and they certainly aren't as good as last year's. How exactly is Ingram vastly overrated?

He's not in the Top 100 backs I've seen in my lifetime.  He's not in the top 20 Bama backs. 

The fuck is singularly unimpressive. 
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Re: Is it as bad as you thought it'd be?
« Reply #53 on: January 22, 2010, 06:17:46 AM »
He's not in the Top 100 backs I've seen in my lifetime.  He's not in the top 20 Bama backs. 

The fuck is singularly unimpressive. 
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Re: Is it as bad as you thought it'd be?
« Reply #54 on: January 22, 2010, 07:56:32 AM »
He's not in the Top 100 backs I've seen in my lifetime.  He's not in the top 20 Bama backs.  

The fuck is singularly unimpressive.  
Just as much bullshit as your "he's a poor man's Ben Tate" comment. Especially since he's got more yards in a season than any other Alabama RB ever. There are only 14 RBs in school history that have rushed for 1,000+ yards in a season, and Ingram is one of them. The runner up had 1,471 yards in 1986. I'm not saying that the guy is the best RB EVAR in the history of NCAA football or anything, but damn. As long as he stays healthy, he will probably break the career rushing yards record at Alabama, and will be in the top 5 of career carries as well. If he doesn't go early to the NFL and stays healthy, he will break both records. Just for shits and giggles, he would probably be right near Carnell Williams statistics-wise (3,831 career yards) if he had the same stats at AU and stayed healthy through the end of his collegiate career. You're just straight up being bitter.
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Re: Is it as bad as you thought it'd be?
« Reply #55 on: January 22, 2010, 10:21:07 AM »
Just as much bullshit as your "he's a poor man's Ben Tate" comment. Especially since he's got more yards in a season than any other Alabama RB ever. There are only 14 RBs in school history that have rushed for 1,000+ yards in a season, and Ingram is one of them. The runner up had 1,471 yards in 1986. I'm not saying that the guy is the best RB EVAR in the history of NCAA football or anything, but damn. As long as he stays healthy, he will probably break the career rushing yards record at Alabama, and will be in the top 5 of career carries as well. If he doesn't go early to the NFL and stays healthy, he will break both records. Just for shits and giggles, he would probably be right near Carnell Williams statistics-wise (3,831 career yards) if he had the same stats at AU and stayed healthy through the end of his collegiate career. You're just straight up being bitter.

Blah, blah, blippity blah.  

Stats can be skewed to mean whatever you want them to.  Chris Todd set a ton of Auburn passing records.  Let's put his picture up on the outside of the stadium next to Pat Sullivan. 

"most yards in a season."  Johnny Musso would stomp a mudhole in Ingram's ass.  Why doesn't he have the most yards?  Didn't play as many games, shared carries in a wishbone formation.  

"he will likely", "he might", "probably", "as long as he stays healthy"   Yes, let's establish his greatness with a load of unmet expectation.  

I'm not saying he's horrible, but the guy is pedestrian at best.  Ben Tate on that team in that situation rushes for 1500 easy.  So does Kenny Irons, Stephen Davis, James Joseph, Brent Fullwood, Ronnie, Carnell, Bobby Humphrey, Johnny Davis, Gerald Riggs, Charles Scott, KiJana Carter, and several hundred other backs I can think of.  

He's a decent, useful back.  He's nothing spectacular and nothing you can't see on any other field in the country on any given Saturday.  He's just not all that.  
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Re: Is it as bad as you thought it'd be?
« Reply #56 on: January 22, 2010, 10:30:27 AM »
Blah, blah, blippity blah.  

Stats can be skewed to mean whatever you want them to.  Chris Todd set a ton of Auburn passing records.  Let's put his picture up on the outside of the stadium next to Pat Sullivan. 

"most yards in a season."  Johnny Musso would stomp a mudhole in Ingram's ass.  Why doesn't he have the most yards?  Didn't play as many games, shared carries in a wishbone formation.  

"he will likely", "he might", "probably", "as long as he stays healthy"   Yes, let's establish his greatness with a load of unmet expectation.  

I'm not saying he's horrible, but the guy is pedestrian at best.  Ben Tate on that team in that situation rushes for 1500 easy.  So does Kenny Irons, Stephen Davis, James Joseph, Brent Fullwood, Ronnie, Carnell, Bobby Humphrey, Johnny Davis, Gerald Riggs, Charles Scott, KiJana Carter, and several hundred other backs I can think of.  

He's a decent, useful back.  He's nothing spectacular and nothing you can't see on any other field in the country on any given Saturday.  He's just not all that.  

Just a poor man's Ben Tate..... :taunt:
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Re: Is it as bad as you thought it'd be?
« Reply #57 on: January 22, 2010, 10:40:05 AM »
Just a poor man's Ben Tate..... :taunt:

Not a lot of difference between the two and if you want to pretend differently, you're just sucking the homer juice. 

Ingram benefited from the sympathy vote for poor Heisman-excluded Bama and from playing on a team that peformed better than Tate's did. 

He's a decent back and nothing more.  Until you add a bunch of "probably, might, as long as, should, if, and hopefully" in there, that is.   And then you have to add up all that speculation to come up with "possibly, could maybe" match Carnell -- who also wasn't the best back I've ever seen.  I love Carnell, but I can think of a lot of backs who were better than he was.   Good guy and good for Auburn and I'm not knocking him at all. 

I'm also not knocking Ingram, but he's just not anywhere near what he's built up to be. 
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Re: Is it as bad as you thought it'd be?
« Reply #58 on: January 22, 2010, 11:00:37 AM »
Yeah, I think he fumbled against Chattanooga or some scrub team. Maybe it was USCe? Can't really remember The stat line didn't show it, but I think I remember it.
You're kidding, right?
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Re: Is it as bad as you thought it'd be?
« Reply #59 on: January 22, 2010, 02:07:32 PM »
Here's a question for you. 

You're drafting an all-time college football fantasy team.  You have the 100th pick in the draft.  Is Mark Ingram still there? 

Narrow it down to the SEC.  You still have the 100th pick.  He still there? 

Narrow it down to just running backs in SEC history.  He might be gone at 100.  But would he be gone at 20?  30? 40? 50?

What about SEC backs in the last decade?  Is he top ten?  Not in my book. 

He's a good guy, his dad is in prison.  We get that.  It's supposed to be heartwarming.  But if I'm building a team, he's not way up on my list.  There are a hell of a lot of players I think of before Mark Ingram.  When you compare him to the true, worthy Heisman winners in SEC history he's nothing but a speck of lint. 
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