Irony

[No Huddle]

I have something to say. THE BAD MAN PUNTED BAXTER!

[AUChizad]

Every single coach in the SEC thinks Ingram is the better back. He was a unanimous first team All-SEC pick. I will trust their evaluation over yours, or Ben Tate's any day. Apparently, they don't think he is in the top 4 of SEC backs, as they picked two first teamers and two second teamers; Tate was not listed. Is Tate a good back? Certainly. But not the best back in the state. He said himself that if you asked teams in the SEC who is the best back in the state, he thinks it would be him. Looking at the All-SEC selections, which are voted on by coaches in the SEC, I would say his comment is a resounding fail.

You continuously keep your head in the sand about the rest of the quote in which he said Mark Ingram was a phenomenal back and he was definitely pulling for him to win the Heisman.

That doesn't fit your excuse though, so I understand.

[RWS]

You continuously keep your head in the sand about the rest of the quote in which he said Mark Ingram was a phenomenal back and he was definitely pulling for him to win the Heisman.

That doesn't fit your excuse though, so I understand.

And you continuously keep your head in the sand that he said he felt like he was the best back in the state. Thats like saying "I'm an ax murderer, but I would never hurt anybody." When he flat out said he thought he was the best back in the state, how are you really supposed to believe the other stuff? How do the two statements NOT contradict each other? "Yeah, I'm the best back in the state, but that kid totally deserves to win the Heisman." It doesn't make sense. But then again, its not like thats been stopping you lately. All it boils down to is he let some smack slip out, and then almost broke his neck back tracking on it. Why else would he make two totally contradicting statements like that?

[War Eagle!!!]

And you continuously keep your head in the sand that he said he felt like he was the best back in the state. Thats like saying "I'm an ax murderer, but I would never hurt anybody." When he flat out said he thought he was the best back in the state, how are you really supposed to believe the other stuff? How do the two statements NOT contradict each other? "Yeah, I'm the best back in the state, but that kid totally deserves to win the Heisman." It doesn't make sense. But then again, its not like thats been stopping you lately. All it boils down to is he let some smack slip out, and then almost broke his neck back tracking on it. Why else would he make two totally contradicting statements like that?

You are a fucking dumb ass...your examples are as dumb as your messed up logic. I'm an axe murdered but would never hurt anyone? That's dumb dude...

[jadennis]

Every single coach in the SEC thinks Ingram is the better back. He was a unanimous first team All-SEC pick. I will trust their evaluation over yours, or Ben Tate's any day. Apparently, they don't think he is in the top 4 of SEC backs, as they picked two first teamers and two second teamers; Tate was not listed. Is Tate a good back? Certainly. But not the best back in the state. He said himself that if you asked teams in the SEC who is the best back in the state, he thinks it would be him. Looking at the All-SEC selections, which are voted on by coaches in the SEC, I would say his comment is a resounding fail.

First of all, coaches don't vote for those things and you know it.  And Kaos' point about swapping them and getting the same results is exactly right.  

Personally I think Hardesty is probably better then both of them.  His line was okay, but his passing game support was worthless most of the time.  Talk about a defense knowing what's coming, and he still ended up with 1,300 yards.  

Plug Hardesty or Anthony Dixon (1,391 yards) into the Alabama backfield and they both easily surpass the 1,500 yard mark.  

[RWS]

You are a fucking dumb ass...your examples are as dumb as your messed up logic. I'm an axe murdered but would never hurt anyone? That's dumb dude...

Just as dumb as arguing that he didn't really mean to say that he was the best back in the state because after he said it he was complimentary of Ingram.

[War Eagle!!!]

Just as dumb as arguing that he didn't really mean to say that he was the best back in the state because after he said it he was complimentary of Ingram.

No one is arguing that he didn't really mean to say he was the best back in the state...

You know what, fuck it...

It is not worth arguing with someone with no sense...

[Snaggletiger]

Maybe a bad analogy but anyone who watches the UFC, knows that there's not a fighter in that entire sport that doesn't openly say, "I'm the better man and I plan on pounding this bitch out". They do NOT give props until they're ass is whipped.  Tate said he thinks he's the best back but gave total props to Ingram.  Is he confident?  Yes.  A little cocky?  Maybe, but it doesn't look like that when he goes on to give so much credit to his counterpart.  I'm just not seeing it.

[jadennis]

Where's his hardware?

Yeah, if you don't win the Heisman, you're no one.

Signed,
Vince Young,
Peyton Manning,
Adrian Peterson,
Larry Fitzgerald,
Ladanian Tomlinson,
Michael Vick,
Drew Brees,
Carnel Williams,
Marshall Faulk,
Rex Grossman,
Darren McFadden,
Steve Slaton,
Colt McCoy, and
Larry Johnson.

[AWK]

Yeah, if you don't win the Heisman, you're no one.

Signed,
Vince Young,
Peyton Manning,
Adrian Peterson,
Larry Fitzgerald,
Ladanian Tomlinson,
Michael Vick,
Drew Brees,
Carnel Williams,
Marshall Faulk,
Rex Grossman,
Darren McFadden,
Steve Slaton,
Colt McCoy, and
Larry Johnson.

CC'ed:

Ronnie Brown,
Tom Brady,
Randy Moss,
Terrell Owens,
Ben Roethlisburger,
Eli Manning, and
Drew Brees.

[AUChizad]

Just as dumb as arguing that he didn't really mean to say that he was the best back in the state because after he said it he was complimentary of Ingram.

Actually it's not, and you're still a dumbass for clinging to that comparison.

It has already been discussed. Ben Tate can be (and arguably is) a better back, but be surrounded by less talented players and his stats and even more so recognition factor (which this season more than ever was the determining factor), will not stand out as much. He can think he is a better back, yet realize what criteria the Heisman is actually voted on, and realize Ingram has a chance to win it while he does not, and thus pull for him to win it.

It's not that hard. Only your head is.

[Godfather]

I think Ben is the best back in the state, so that makes two of us.

[Kaos]

Actually it's not, and you're still a dumbass for clinging to that comparison.

It has already been discussed. Ben Tate can be (and arguably is) a better back, but be surrounded by less talented players and his stats and even more so recognition factor (which this season more than ever was the determining factor), will not stand out as much. He can think he is a better back, yet realize what criteria the Heisman is actually voted on, and realize Ingram has a chance to win it while he does not, and thus pull for him to win it.

It's not that hard. Only your head is.

You forgot the fact that he worked in an offense where carries were designed to be shared and the OC was determined to make the QB the focal point.   At bama, the QB was a liability more often than not (as was Todd, but the bama offensive staff took the ball out of his hands when he was playing like donkey shit and AU didn't really).  Put Tate in the same situation and his stats would be even more impressive than Ingram's. 

Ingram is the most worthless Heisman winner in the history of the award and that's taking Andre Ware, Rashaan Salaam and Ron Dayne into consideration.

[Godfather]

Ingram is the most worthless Heisman winner in the history of the award and that's taking Andre Ware, Rashaan Salaam and Ron Dayne into consideration.

Hey Kaos..Oh..Oh. ..Oh.....you know what else.  Guess what Rashaan Salaam and Ron Dayne (the 2 rbs on your list of 3) also have in common besides winning the Heisman....guess...guess.

[Snaggletiger]

Here's the rushing leaders for the NCAA 2009.  Also, Ingram was 31st in All-Purpose Running with 322 receiving yards.


1. Ryan Mathews, Fresno St. RB JR 11 245 1664 17 6.79 151.27
2 Toby Gerhart, Stanford RB SR 12 311 1736 26 5.58 144.67
3 Dion Lewis, Pittsburgh RB FR 12 297 1640 16 5.52 136.67
4 Donald Buckram, UTEP RB JR 12 259 1594 18 6.15 132.83
5 Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech RB FR 12 268 1538 19 5.74 128.17
6 Anthony Dixon, Mississippi St. RB SR 11 257 1391 12 5.41 126.45
7 Curtis Steele, Memphis RB SR 10 198 1239 15 6.26 123.90
8 LaMichael James, Oregon RB FR 12 215 1476 14 6.87 123.00
9 Vai Taua, Nevada RB JR 11 172 1345 10 7.82 122.27
10 Joe Webb, UAB QB SR 12 227 1427 11 6.29 118.92
11 Bernard Pierce, Temple RB FR 11 224 1308 15 5.84 118.91
12 Mark Ingram, Alabama RB SO 13 249 1542 15 6.19 118.62
13 Darius Marshall, Marshall RB JR 9 207 1054 11 5.09 117.11
14 John Clay, Wisconsin RB SO 12 265 1396 16 5.27 116.33
15 Alfred Morris, Fla. Atlantic RB SO 12 263 1392 11 5.29 116.00
16 Lance Dunbar, North Texas RB SO 12 200 1378 17 6.89 114.83
17 Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon St. RB SO 12 255 1377 20 5.40 114.75
18 Montel Harris, Boston College RB SO 12 285 1355 13 4.75 112.92
19 Montario Hardesty, Tennessee RB SR 12 264 1306 12 4.95 108.83
20 Noel Devine, West Virginia RB JR 12 225 1297 12 5.76 108.

[Godfather]

Hey Kaos..Oh..Oh. ..Oh.....you know what else.  Guess what Rashaan Salaam and Ron Dayne (the 2 rbs on your list of 3) also have in common besides winning the Heisman....guess...guess.

They won the Doak-Walker Award for best RB in the Nation...In fact only one running back in the entire 20 year history of the award has not won both awards whilst winning the Heisman.  Can you guess who that is?

Hint: His name rhymes with smark hingram.

[AUTiger1]

They won the Doak-Walker Award for best RB in the Nation...In fact only one running back in the entire 20 year history of the award has not won both awards whilst winning the Heisman.  Can you guess who that is?

Hint: His name rhymes with smark hingram.

Damnit, that's a hard question.  Give us another hint.

Are you sure this isn't a trick question?

[Saniflush]

They won the Doak-Walker Award for best RB in the Nation...In fact only one running back in the entire 20 year history of the award has not won both awards whilst winning the Heisman.  Can you guess who that is?

Hint: His name rhymes with smark hingram.

Wait just one minute sir.  There may be circumstances that preclude him from winning it and that's unfair to judge him because of that.

    * in good academic standing, and
    * on schedule to graduate within one year of students in their eligibility classification.

I find it appalling that you are trying to judge smark hingram by these whacked out standards.

[AUTiger1]

Here's the rushing leaders for the NCAA 2009.  Also, Ingram was 31st in All-Purpose Running with 322 receiving yards.

1. Ryan Mathews, Fresno St. RB JR 11 245 1664 17 6.79 151.27

3 Dion Lewis, Pittsburgh RB FR 12 297 1640 16 5.52 136.67

I don't know if anyone go to see these guys play this year or not, but damn.  Mathews looked good in what games I got to see him in.  Especially Lewis, that kid is good.  Anyone want to guess what his rivals ranking was?

Side Note:  The DirectTV sports package (BTN FSN...etc...etc..), which I was getting for free, had a lot of games that I would never get to see normally, either live or on replay. Like those mentioned above.  The free is about to run out and start costing me $$$$.  I am thinking about ordering it, anyone else got it or have any opinions on it?

[djsimp]

I think AUTiger1 brings up a good point. Does anyone besides myself think that Gerhart didnt win it because he no where near as much TV across the nation as Ingram did? I mean most of the people on this side of the country got a heavy dose of Ingram rather than some West coast team that plays past most peoples bed time on a team that sucked ass the last decade...or two.