Heisman Trophy Battle

The Prowler · « **Reply #20 on:** December 07, 2009, 06:42:41 PM »

Quote from: Harvey Birdman on December 07, 2009, 01:57:04 PM

I saw that Longdukdong Suh fellow in 3 games this year.
DILDO
It's been a loooong time since i've seen a defensive lineman who is absolutely unblockable.
DILDO
There is no stopping the guy and if you go near him, he's going to hurt you.
DILDO
I'm actually pulling for him.
aaaaaand DILDO

BTW, they've official named the Top Five Finalists (I'm not sure if that website had the official Top Five):
In alphabetical order:
Toby Gerhart
Mark Ingram
Colt McCoy
Ndamukong SUH
Tim Tebow

The Heisman Trophy goes to the Best Player in the ENTIRE Country.....NOT one of the best player(s) on one of the best teams.

So, that being said:

1). DT Ndamukong Suh (take him out of that defense....Nebraska doesn't go bowling this year)
Didn't have an OFF game, this year.
2). RB/Masher Toby Gerhart (take him out of that offense......Stanford doesn't go bowling this year)
Didn't have an OFF game, this year or last year.
3). QB Colt McCoy (take him out of that offense......Texas looks more like Oklahoma)
Had an OFF game against Nebraska...who's lead by more than likely the #1 NFL Draft Pick in Ndamukong Suh.
4). RB Mark Ingram (take him out of that offense......Trent/Maze/Peek/Juicio/Hanks)
Had a VERY OFF game against an average to below average defense in Auburn.
5). QB Tim Tebow (take him out of that offense......refer back to the SEC Championship Game)
IMO, he hasn't wowed me at all this year...could it be that his Soph. year was just that fantastic, that it has somewhat taken away from what he's done this year? I don't know, probably.

Now, make your pick. I've already made up my mind as my top two.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #21 on:** December 07, 2009, 06:45:07 PM »

This may be the year I gain respect for the Heisman Trophy race. A defensive tackle possibly winning? I really hope it happens.

The Prowler · « **Reply #22 on:** December 07, 2009, 07:00:40 PM »

Quote from: Townhallsavoy on December 07, 2009, 06:45:07 PM

This may be the year I gain respect for the Heisman Trophy race. A defensive tackle possibly winning? I really hope it happens.

I'm with you there. For the Heisman Trophy to somewhat regain it's place as the Top Dawg Trophy among ALL of the other ones, Suh or Gerhart should be the one standing at the podium giving his acceptance speech.

CCTAU · « **Reply #23 on:** December 08, 2009, 11:05:31 AM »

What is a Heisman TROPY?

Suh or Gherhart should get it. Maybe even share?

Ogre · « **Reply #24 on:** December 08, 2009, 11:12:36 AM »

Quote from: CCTAU on December 08, 2009, 11:05:31 AM

What is a Heisman TROPY?

Suh or Gherhart should get it. Maybe even share?

Wow, I didn't even catch the typo.

The website how has Ingram in the lead, FWIW.

ibelonginprison · « **Reply #25 on:** December 08, 2009, 12:02:44 PM »

Quote from: Ogre on December 08, 2009, 11:12:36 AM

Wow, I didn't even catch the typo.

The website how has Ingram in the lead, FWIW.

Ugh... Bama jock strap swingin' in the trophy race....

RWS · « **Reply #26 on:** December 08, 2009, 01:37:10 PM »

If we're mentioning Suh as who should win it, just for shits and giggles, why not Rolando McClain?

wesfau2 · « **Reply #27 on:** December 08, 2009, 01:43:54 PM »

Quote from: RWS on December 08, 2009, 01:37:10 PM

If we're mentioning Suh as who should win it, just for shits and giggles, why not Rolando McClain?

There is a policy that no more than one mouthbreathing bammer player may be nominated per year. You've met the quota.

RWS · « **Reply #28 on:** December 08, 2009, 01:55:23 PM »

Quote from: wesfau2 on December 08, 2009, 01:43:54 PM

There is a policy that no more than one mouthbreathing bammer player may be nominated per year. You've met the quota.

Seriously though, I'm not saying that its a travesty that he's not being considered, but if you're giving it to a player on defense, why should McClain not at least be considered?

War Eagle!!! · « **Reply #29 on:** December 08, 2009, 02:00:24 PM »

Quote from: RWS on December 08, 2009, 01:55:23 PM

Seriously though, I'm not saying that its a travesty that he's not being considered, but if you're giving it to a player on defense, why should McClain not at least be considered?

And then let's give a look to Arenas. I mean why not? He is a bad ass on special teams. I mean, if we have one for Offense and defense, let's throw in a special teams star in there too.

Kaos · « **Reply #30 on:** December 08, 2009, 02:03:47 PM »

Quote from: War Eagle!!! on December 08, 2009, 02:00:24 PM

And then let's give a look to Arenas. I mean why not? He is a bad ass on special teams. I mean, if we have one for Offense and defense, let's throw in a special teams star in there too.

I voted for Gus the Mule once. So pissed he wasn't on the ballot, I never voted again.

RWS · « **Reply #31 on:** December 08, 2009, 02:18:06 PM »

Quote from: War Eagle!!! on December 08, 2009, 02:00:24 PM

And then let's give a look to Arenas. I mean why not? He is a bad ass on special teams. I mean, if we have one for Offense and defense, let's throw in a special teams star in there too.

Its not like what I am saying is that ridiculous. I don't think Suh is undeserving or anything, and I don't really see Ingram winning it for that matter. I just wonder what it is that McClain's name has never been brought up.

Kaos · « **Reply #32 on:** December 08, 2009, 02:21:54 PM »

Quote from: RWS on December 08, 2009, 02:18:06 PM

I just wonder what it is that McClain's name has never been brought up.

Character issues

Godfather · « **Reply #33 on:** December 08, 2009, 02:23:32 PM »

Quote from: RWS on December 08, 2009, 02:18:06 PM

Its not like what I am saying is that ridiculous. I don't think Suh is undeserving or anything, and I don't really see Ingram winning it for that matter. I just wonder what it is that McClain's name has never been brought up.

Probably because he plays on a bad ass defense, while Suh is the defense.

What makes you think Ingram isn't going to get it? I believe it's his to lose.

GH2001 · « **Reply #34 on:** December 08, 2009, 02:25:55 PM »

McClain - Yes he is good. VERY good. Most likely to be the first LB taken in the draft. But no defensive player has dominated this year or in recent years like Suh. He is unblockable. Go back and watch the Texas game or the Va Tech game. This guy is nuts. He slung McCoy around with 1 arm more than once. He makes some amazing tackles and moves a lot quicker than a guy that is 300 lbs. Suh will be a top 5 draft pick. McClain is an A. Suh is an A+.

83 Tackles, 12.5 sacks, 23 TFL. Texas couldnt block him for shit. Texas - one of the best and most loaded teams (talent wise) in the country. It wasnt like he had that performance against Fresno St or Eastern Illinois. It was against a good ball club.

RWS · « **Reply #35 on:** December 08, 2009, 02:31:42 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on December 08, 2009, 02:23:32 PM

Probably because he plays on a bad ass defense, while Suh is the defense.

What makes you think Ingram isn't going to get it? I believe it's his to lose.

I don't think Ingram has put up insane enough stats for the voters to feel good about. I don't think they are going to take into account how he runs, the level of competition, etc. I think if he got some of the carries that went to Richardson he would be in a little better position.

AUChizad · « **Reply #36 on:** December 08, 2009, 03:01:36 PM »

The fact that you wanna throw out all these guys (even hypothetically), as potential Heisman candidates, is exactly why Ingram shouldn't be one.

He's a mere cog in an overall really good machine.

Suh IS the machine. Gerhardt too.

Birmingham · « **Reply #37 on:** December 08, 2009, 03:12:21 PM »

Quote from: AUChizad on December 08, 2009, 03:01:36 PM

The fact that you wanna throw out all these guys (even hypothetically), as potential Heisman candidates, is exactly why Ingram shouldn't be one.

He's a mere cog in an overall really good machine.

Suh IS the machine. Gerhardt too.

wondering why you didn't bring that up when ibelonginprison said "UA is leaning on Ingram like a drunk man on a lamp post". Now I disagreed with him, I'm with you.

CCTAU · « **Reply #38 on:** December 08, 2009, 03:53:17 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on December 08, 2009, 02:03:47 PM

I voted for Gus the Mule once. So pissed he wasn't on the ballot, I never voted again.

OYAGE!

jadennis · « **Reply #39 on:** December 08, 2009, 04:25:21 PM »

McClain is a stud, no doubt, and he can dominate on a play or a drive, but Suh dominates and controls whole games. He leads his team in tackles from a defensive line position....that's not normal.

To be a defensive player and be considered you can't just say "hey, why not this guy, he's really, really good"...you have to say "I've never seen anything like this", which a lot of people say about Suh (right or wrong, as people tend to forget the past...like Lawrence Taylor at UNC or even Mario Williams from just a few years ago).

But the point is, Suh makes you say it, McClain doesn't.

Take McClain out of the Alabama defense and it probably costs you some yards on a few plays here or there. Take Suh out of the Nebraska line up and Texas probably scores 35 points as McCoy stands in there and does his thing.

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