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Is Depth a Real Excuse?

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Re: Is Depth a Real Excuse?
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2009, 02:58:32 PM »
Don't know great and powerful Oz.  That's why I asked the question.  Trying to find out the probable answer through gathering knowledge.
Knowledge is power..
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Re: Is Depth a Real Excuse?
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2009, 03:09:20 PM »
Just cuss everyone and claim you were right all along...

It only works when you are...
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Re: Is Depth a Real Excuse?
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2009, 03:11:19 PM »
Don't know great and powerful Oz.  That's why I asked the question.  Trying to find out the probable answer through gathering knowledge.

Oz is a prison I don't even want to go to.

I don't know if he is or he isn't.  But if he isn't, maybe he needs to. And if he is, he needs to step the fuck off.

I just know that some folks -- not you -- were using that as justification #2.  Chizik was a defensive mastermind and the Auburn D wouldn't lose a step and would probably be better.

Instead?  Worst Auburn defense I've seen in 30 years so far. 
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Re: Is Depth a Real Excuse?
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2009, 03:25:42 PM »
Here's my armchair, never coached defense (or offense...or special teams...but I do coach T-ball) analysis.  If Chizik ain't involved in the defense, he needs to be.  He's doesn't have to handle the media during practices or while the game is going on.  He can make 4th down decisions (Which he's not real good at...see Ball State up 30-7) and still be involved with handling the D.   
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Re: Is Depth a Real Excuse?
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2009, 03:47:08 PM »
I've seen the post Shug era of the late seventies and let me tell you it wasn't a pretty sight with all of the drinking and drugging that went on. On the other hand it took our minds off the real problem with the team which was lack of talent, coaching, tackling and whatnot. :gig:

The whatnot was the death blow.
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Re: Is Depth a Real Excuse?
« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2009, 04:03:35 PM »
  Worst Auburn defense I've seen in 30 years so far. 

I used the B word to some folks Saturday.....


That's right. Barfield.
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Re: Is Depth a Real Excuse?
« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2009, 04:08:53 PM »
I used the B word to some folks Saturday.....


That's right. Barfield.

There were some iffy Bowden defenses.
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Re: Is Depth a Real Excuse?
« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2009, 04:12:15 PM »
I used the B word to some folks Saturday.....


That's right. Barfield.

I hear you, I just can't bring myself to utter the name. Look, it will take many more years of therapy if I go  there so please I beg you-MAKE IT GO AWAY! :flag:
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Re: Is Depth a Real Excuse?
« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2009, 04:22:47 PM »
There were some iffy Bowden defenses.
There were some iffy Bowden everything.  "125lb RB you say...I'll take'em....smaller the better, I tells ya."
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Re: Is Depth a Real Excuse?
« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2009, 05:16:46 PM »
Whether he's calling plays or not for the defense, his coordinator should have an understanding as to what his philosophy is and should be calling plays accordingly.

When Chizik brought Malzahn on, he made sure Gus knew he wanted to maintain a physical running style (mixed in with all the other stuff, of course).  But Gus knew that down-hill running was important from an identity standpoint.

I can't imagine the same kind of info wasn't/isn't shared with Roof on defensive philosophy.  Even if Roof is running the defense and calling the plays, he has to have some idea as to what his head coach desires to see from an identity standpoint.

This is where it gets confusing.  Say what you will (Kaos) about Chizik's 2 Iowa State defenses while ignoring the 5 years prior to that, the fact is he has coached some very, very good defenses in his career (with talent, of course, but he coached them nonetheless). 

So we know he can coach defense, he just can, it's not really a question mark.  However, it seems impossible that what we're seeing from Roof is in line with what Chizik would have as a defensive philosophy (simple, plain, repetitive, predictable, etc).  What defensive minded coach stresses being vanilla and predictable?  No one. 

This is what's so confusing.  I can't come up with any logical explanation as to why we refuse to blitz, refuse to show different fronts and formations, and refuse to adjust to anything during a game.  And I know Chizik may be trying to stay out of his coordinators way during a game.  But hell, how long, just from a fan standpoint, can he just sit back and watch us run the same worthless scheme play after play? 

You're right, this post offers no explanations, I don't know that there really is one at this point.  Hopefully Antonio Coleman is asking the same questions to Chizik.

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Re: Is Depth a Real Excuse?
« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2009, 05:55:00 PM »
Say what you will (Kaos) about Chizik's 2 Iowa State defenses while ignoring the 5 years prior to that, the fact is he has coached some very, very good defenses in his career (with talent, of course, but he coached them nonetheless). 

Okay, how about we DON'T ignore the five years before.  Hell, let's extrapolate that bitch out for an entire decade. 

Here's what ISU's defense allowed dating back to 1999.

1999: 272 points in 11 games (4-7 record) 24.7 per game
2000: 322 points in 12 games (9-3 record) 26.8 per
2001: 245 points in 12 games (7-5).  20.4 per
2002: 396 points in 14 games (7-7). 28.3 per
2003: 437 in 12 games (2-10). 36.4 per
2004: 259 in 12 games (7-5). 21.6 per
2005: 230 in 12 games (7-5). 19.2 per
2006: 369 in 12 games (4-8). 30.8 per

CHIZIK
2007: 381 in 12 games (3-9). 31.8 per
2008: 430 in 12 games (2-10). 35.8 per


Is that what defensive masterminds do? 

Not only did Chizik have two of the worst three seasons in a decade, but he also guided two of the three worst defensive efforts over that span. 

So who was running the defense (into the ground) there? 
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Re: Is Depth a Real Excuse?
« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2009, 06:16:31 PM »
There was no reply from the defense Saturday. The front is too small to bring pressure inside. Mallett looked like Greg McElroy against North Texas State. What is the answer?
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Re: Is Depth a Real Excuse?
« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2009, 06:25:12 PM »
I generally favor torches and pitchforks, but that's just me.
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Re: Is Depth a Real Excuse?
« Reply #33 on: October 12, 2009, 06:36:03 PM »
Okay, how about we DON'T ignore the five years before.  Hell, let's extrapolate that bitch out for an entire decade. 

Here's what ISU's defense allowed dating back to 1999.

1999: 272 points in 11 games (4-7 record) 24.7 per game
2000: 322 points in 12 games (9-3 record) 26.8 per
2001: 245 points in 12 games (7-5).  20.4 per
2002: 396 points in 14 games (7-7). 28.3 per
2003: 437 in 12 games (2-10). 36.4 per
2004: 259 in 12 games (7-5). 21.6 per
2005: 230 in 12 games (7-5). 19.2 per
2006: 369 in 12 games (4-8). 30.8 per

CHIZIK
2007: 381 in 12 games (3-9). 31.8 per
2008: 430 in 12 games (2-10). 35.8 per


Is that what defensive masterminds do? 

Not only did Chizik have two of the worst three seasons in a decade, but he also guided two of the three worst defensive efforts over that span. 

So who was running the defense (into the ground) there? 

I meant Chizik's five previous years, Texas and Auburn.  I don't care anything about a single stat of any kind that came from two years at Iowa State, I just don't.  We just lost a road game, but he did win a road game at Tennessee, something that, based on his road losses at Iowa State, you thought would never happen.  That same Tennessee team just destroyed Georgia.  Georgia may not be that good, but I guarantee you if that Georgia game had happened before our game, you would have predicted a "death by Chizik" road loss, probably supporting it with the 0-for-career road record he had at ISU.

I also don't see the total disarray and panic and chaos you anticipated on our sidelines (based on what you saw on the ISU sideline).  

Point is, I think the further things get along, the more we'll all realize that nothing of any worth can be gathered by what we saw at ISU.  

And since you listed the numbers to review....how do you explain going from 36 points per game in 2003 to 21 points per in 2004?  And how do you explain going from 19 per game in 2005 up to 31 per game in 2006?  The fact that there are such wild swings from one year to the next, changing more than 10 points twice in a four year period, tells me that you can't take anything from any of these numbers.  There's no pattern, there's no consistency.  There's nothing from which to set a baseline for comparison.

It's well known that he played tons of red-shirt and true freshman, probably the same thing that happened in 2003.  By 2005 these guys may have been decent juniors and seniors.  Looks like everyone graduated and/or was injured for 2006 though, as the average shot up 11 points.  I mean, what are we to take from these numbers?  It's not like ISU consistently stayed in the 22-25 points range and then Chizik came in and the numbers ballooned uncharacteristically.  

There is a lot of football to go.  Acting like "see, he is the same ISU loser we feared" because of one bad loss is overreacting just as much as those who thought he was Vince Lombardi for going 5-0.

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Re: Is Depth a Real Excuse?
« Reply #34 on: October 12, 2009, 06:51:08 PM »
I generally favor torches and pitchforks, but that's just me.

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Re: Is Depth a Real Excuse?
« Reply #35 on: October 12, 2009, 08:28:05 PM »

There is a lot of football to go.  Acting like "see, he is the same ISU loser we feared" because of one bad loss is overreacting just as much as those who thought he was Vince Lombardi for going 5-0.



Haven't done either. 
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Re: Is Depth a Real Excuse?
« Reply #36 on: October 12, 2009, 08:54:51 PM »
Haven't done either. 
New Braunfels is one of the most even minded guys I have ever encountered. He's even Stephen.   :poke:
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Re: Is Depth a Real Excuse?
« Reply #37 on: October 12, 2009, 09:46:28 PM »
Just watching some of the Jets and Miami.  Any passing down for Miami, it's like a fucking jailbreak.  No matter where Henne throws it, which HAS to be a short, quick pass, there's someone there to stuff his ass.  I'm not saying blitz all the time. Just please change it up.  Different looks. Stack the box.  Blitz a corner...do something other than sit back in the same base package and hope something good happens.
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Re: Is Depth a Real Excuse?
« Reply #38 on: October 12, 2009, 09:53:37 PM »
It's also nice to see "Brown and Williams" in the backfield causing havoc. 
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Re: Is Depth a Real Excuse?
« Reply #39 on: October 12, 2009, 09:57:19 PM »
Rex Ryan blitzes 64% of the time on passing downs. 

What is our % 0.64 maybe?
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