Auburn's "situation"

JR4AU · « **on:** April 13, 2009, 04:23:11 PM »

Are things tougher for Auburn? Or are we on the same footing with bammer, uga, lsu, uf, ut when they are at full stregnth?

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #1 on:** April 13, 2009, 04:35:15 PM »

I may wind up in the minority with my sunshine pumper vote, but I think this program is very capable of pulling in top 10 recruiting classes year in and year out. The University, the facilities. the stadium etc. are top shelf and improving every year. The key is your staff and their ability to go get the talent for your program. You do that and Auburn takea backseat to no one.

Pat Dye disagrees and says Auburn can never attract the number of top players that LSU, Florida and Bama can. He says Auburn has to coach em' up to compete. I know this may seem hard to believe but I've never actually coached at Auburn....but I disagree with Corch Dye. I took Tuberville somewhat to task in my thread for his complacency in recruiting his last two years. But, I'll admit that the class with Burns and Pugh and Ziemba etc. was (On paper) one of our best ever, according to the rating services. There's no reason on earth this program can't do something similar each and every year.

JR4AU · « **Reply #2 on:** April 13, 2009, 04:40:20 PM »

Quote from: Harvey Birdman on April 13, 2009, 04:35:15 PM

I may wind up in the minority with my sunshine pumper vote, but I think this program is very capable of pulling in top 10 recruiting classes year in and year out. The University, the facilities. the stadium etc. are top shelf and improving every year. The key is your staff and their ability to go get the talent for your program. You do that and Auburn takea backseat to no one.

Pat Dye disagrees and says Auburn can never attract the number of top players that LSU, Florida and Bama can. He says Auburn has to coach em' up to compete. I know this may seem hard to believe but I've never actually coached at Auburn....but I disagree with Corch Dye. I took Tuberville somewhat to task in my thread for his complacency in recruiting his last two years. But, I'll admit that the class with Burns and Pugh and Ziemba etc. was (On paper) one of our best ever, according to the rating services. There's no reason on earth this program can't do something similar each and every year.

I would tend to agree with you a little, and with Dye a little bit, as I think he's really saying it's tougher on Auburn. BUT, it's possible, like you say. I think Auburn just has to work harder, and every once in a while those efforts are not rewarded as highly, but hard work will get it done more often than not. In the end, I think Tubs didn't get complacent so much as just damned tired. Not to mention the fact that he had a once in a career year for any coach in 2004 and wasn't rewarded for it. That had to affect his mindset.

RWS · « **Reply #3 on:** April 13, 2009, 04:51:52 PM »

I really don't see how AU would be at a disadvantage. I don't think recruits care about if it is "the" state school or not. Most of them worry about if the school fits them, playing time, coaches, etc etc. I would imagine that it would be up to the coaches to show them why AU is important in the big picture, and how the recruit can use AU as a platform to show his skills. If USF had the same success/was sending as many guys to the NFL USC has had over the past 10 years, I'm sure they would be bringing in some recruits as well.

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #4 on:** April 13, 2009, 04:58:49 PM »

Quote from: runswithscissors on April 13, 2009, 04:51:52 PM

I really don't see how AU would be at a disadvantage. I don't think recruits care about if it is "the" state school or not. Most of them worry about if the school fits them, playing time, coaches, etc etc. I would imagine that it would be up to the coaches to show them why AU is important in the big picture, and how the recruit can use AU as a platform to show his skills.

This I agree with wholeheartedly. Kids care very little about tradition and most times don't seem to give a rat's ass where their parents went or who they pull for. They want some PT..quick. They want to be on TV..in the limelight. They want to have a shot at the NFL. The only real tradition that a RB would care about at Auburn is the tradition of top flight RBs who left Auburn to play on Sundays.

Godfather · « **Reply #5 on:** April 13, 2009, 05:03:07 PM »

Gotta go with the bammer on this one, I don't see any advantage or disadvantage. State School dosen't mean shit IMO, WINS do. A winning program that receives national attention is what the kids are going to gravitate towards. The only team that has a solid advantage over its competition in the SEC is LSWho. They are "THE" team in that state. What competition do they have? If a kid wants to play for a big program but wants to stay close to his home....hmm LSU or Tulane, yeah tough choice.

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #6 on:** April 13, 2009, 05:08:47 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on April 13, 2009, 05:03:07 PM

Gotta go with the bammer on this one, I don't see any advantage or disadvantage. State School dosen't mean shit IMO, WINS do. A winning program that receives national attention is what the kids are going to gravitate towards. The only team that has a solid advantage over its competition in the SEC is LSWho. They are "THE" team in that state. What competition do they have? If a kid wants to play for a big program but wants to stay close to his home....hmm LSU or Tulane, yeah tough choice.

Why do you hate La. Monroe?

JR4AU · « **Reply #7 on:** April 13, 2009, 05:08:55 PM »

Quote from: runswithscissors on April 13, 2009, 04:51:52 PM

I really don't see how AU would be at a disadvantage. I don't think recruits care about if it is "the" state school or not. Most of them worry about if the school fits them, playing time, coaches, etc etc. I would imagine that it would be up to the coaches to show them why AU is important in the big picture, and how the recruit can use AU as a platform to show his skills. If USF had the same success/was sending as many guys to the NFL USC has had over the past 10 years, I'm sure they would be bringing in some recruits as well.

In a state where most people who are not alums of either school choose to be fans of bammer, I'd have to disagree that it's not harder for Auburn.

Godfather · « **Reply #8 on:** April 13, 2009, 05:11:48 PM »

Quote from: Harvey Birdman on April 13, 2009, 05:08:47 PM

Why do you hate La. Monroe?

Cause he sucks at volleyball

AuburnChopper 3.0 · « **Reply #9 on:** April 13, 2009, 05:16:10 PM »

I'm in Monroe, LA right now and they say they don't like you either. Could get ugly in Ruston tomorrow...home of LA Tech. Hater.

Greaseyweasel · « **Reply #10 on:** April 13, 2009, 07:15:33 PM »

Quote from: Harvey Birdman on April 13, 2009, 04:35:15 PM

I may wind up in the minority with my sunshine pumper vote, but I think this program is very capable of pulling in top 10 recruiting classes year in and year out. The University, the facilities. the stadium etc. are top shelf and improving every year. The key is your staff and their ability to go get the talent for your program. You do that and Auburn takea backseat to no one.

Auburn should take a backseat to no one. But your statement about the need for a staff is by far and away the most important thing that Auburn or any program needs first and foremost. Until we rectify that situation Auburn is steadily digging a hole that the next (hopefully decent) staff will require years to get out of.
We do not have the time nor money to waste on proven failures. True chizik does not have a losing record as Auburns head coach ... yet. But then again neither does my wife's house cat but I don't think anyone would buy into fluffies bullshit press conferences the way people are forcing themselves to for loser chizik's.

Quote from: Harvey Birdman on April 13, 2009, 04:35:15 PM

Pat Dye disagrees and says Auburn can never attract the number of top players that LSU, Florida and Bama can. He says Auburn has to coach em' up to compete. I know this may seem hard to believe but I've never actually coached at Auburn....but I disagree with Corch Dye. I took Tuberville somewhat to task in my thread for his complacency in recruiting his last two years. But, I'll admit that the class with Burns and Pugh and Ziemba etc. was (On paper) one of our best ever, according to the rating services. There's no reason on earth this program can't do something similar each and every year.

Pat Dye cannot stand the thought of anyone at Auburn casting a longer shadow than his. Your statement on this shows that you have some idea of the man that pat dye really is and where his loyalty lies.
Your not a sunshine pumper, you merely are not able to stand up for the good of Auburn at this time.
But you will be one of the first to admit the error of your judgement and attempt to help us to undo the damage that is presently being done.

AUChizad · « **Reply #11 on:** April 13, 2009, 07:59:04 PM »

Quote from: Greaseyweasel on April 13, 2009, 07:15:33 PM

Auburn should take a backseat to no one. But your statement about the need for a staff is by far and away the most important thing that Auburn or any program needs first and foremost. Until we rectify that situation Auburn is steadily digging a hole that the next (hopefully decent) staff will require years to get out of.
We do not have the time nor money to waste on proven failures.

Just stating the obvious at this point, but you're one ignorant fuck.

The Prowler · « **Reply #12 on:** April 13, 2009, 08:01:08 PM »

Quote from: Greaseyweasel on April 13, 2009, 07:15:33 PM

Auburn should take a backseat to no one. But your statement about the need for a staff is by far and away the most important thing that Auburn or any program needs first and foremost. Until we rectify that situation Auburn is steadily digging a hole that the next (hopefully decent) staff will require years to get out of.
We do not have the time nor money to waste on proven failures. True chizik does not have a losing record as Auburns head coach ... yet. But then again neither does my wife's house cat but I don't think anyone would buy into fluffies bullshit press conferences the way people are forcing themselves to for loser chizik's.

Pat Dye cannot stand the thought of anyone at Auburn casting a longer shadow than his. Your statement on this shows that you have some idea of the man that pat dye really is and where his loyalty lies.
Your not a sunshine pumper, you merely are not able to stand up for the good of Auburn at this time.
But you will be one of the first to admit the error of your judgement and attempt to help us to undo the damage that is presently being done.

Hey dumbfuck, there's no need to be Rectifying anything as far as Coaching Staff goes. You're to damn stupid to realize that the Coaching staff, that Coach Chizik has assembled, is way fuckin' better than "Decent". So, keep up the good work there bammer.

AUTiger1 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 13, 2009, 08:02:02 PM »

Quote from: Greaseyweasel on April 13, 2009, 07:15:33 PM

Auburn should take a backseat to no one. But your statement about the need for a staff is by far and away the most important thing that Auburn or any program needs first and foremost. Until we rectify that situation Auburn is steadily digging a hole that the next (hopefully decent) staff will require years to get out of.
We do not have the time nor money to waste on proven failures. True chizik does not have a losing record as Auburns head coach ... yet. But then again neither does my wife's house cat but I don't think anyone would buy into fluffies bullshit press conferences the way people are forcing themselves to for loser chizik's.

Pat Dye cannot stand the thought of anyone at Auburn casting a longer shadow than his. Your statement on this shows that you have some idea of the man that pat dye really is and where his loyalty lies.
Your not a sunshine pumper, you merely are not able to stand up for the good of Auburn at this time.
But you will be one of the first to admit the error of your judgement and attempt to help us to undo the damage that is presently being done.

Same ole shit, just a different day......I hate having to sift through threads around your shit. You hate Chizik and Pat Dye. Point taken and I understand that, but do you have to honestly tard up every freaking thread?

Hogwally · « **Reply #14 on:** April 13, 2009, 08:04:16 PM »

I think Auburn's location, close to both Atlanta and Florida, gives it a big advantage. If you want to look at tough recruiting, try to talk a kid from an Urban area into 4 years in Fayetteville. Guess what son, it's only 6 hours to Dallas!!

The Prowler · « **Reply #15 on:** April 13, 2009, 08:07:43 PM »

Quote from: AUTiger1 on April 13, 2009, 08:02:02 PM

Same ole shit, just a different day......I hate having to sift through threads around your shit. You hate Chizik and Pat Dye. Point taken and I understand that, but do you have to honestly tard up every freaking thread?

Yeah, I think he does have to tard up every thread....He has already gone full tard and you don't go full tard.

Greaseyweasel · « **Reply #16 on:** April 13, 2009, 08:45:31 PM »

Quote from: The Prowler on April 13, 2009, 08:01:08 PM

Hey dumbfuck, there's no need to be Rectifying anything as far as Coaching Staff goes. You're to damn stupid to realize that the Coaching staff, that Coach Chizik has assembled, is way fuckin' better than "Decent". So, keep up the good work there bammer.

You are still a fucking idiot.

Jumbo · « **Reply #17 on:** April 14, 2009, 05:51:58 AM »

Quote from: Godfather on April 13, 2009, 05:11:48 PM

Cause he sucks at volleyball

Side Out.

JR4AU · « **Reply #18 on:** April 14, 2009, 09:56:16 AM »

Quote from: The Prowler on April 13, 2009, 08:07:43 PM

Yeah, I think he does have to tard up every thread....He has already gone full tard and you don't go full tard.

Remember, his stated mission in life is to irritate the living fuck out of the Auburn Family on the internet until they become fucking morons thinking like him. He's a fucking low life peice of shit moron.

wesfau2 · « **Reply #19 on:** April 14, 2009, 10:11:45 AM »

Quote from: JR4AU on April 13, 2009, 04:40:20 PM

I would tend to agree with you a little, and with Dye a little bit, as I think he's really saying it's tougher on Auburn. BUT, it's possible, like you say. I think Auburn just has to work harder, and every once in a while those efforts are not rewarded as highly, but hard work will get it done more often than not.

I agree with JR. I also agree with those who say that kids don't care about tradition.

That said, those kids are very much influenced by the media and the media is why Auburn has to work harder to succeed. Media coverage affects the kids in Alabama a little differently than those outside Alabama, but both groups see more Alabama coverage than Auburn.

The majority of the fans in Alabama are fans of bama and, thus, most media coverage in-state is geared towards those fans. This has the natural result of marginalizing Auburn, as there is less coverage, and the in-state kids are predisposed to attend bama due to their heightened awareness of the school.

Assuming that the kids outside Alabama get their sports info from a national source, ESPN, they are subjected to an agenda-driven propaganda machine. ESPN has displayed its power and influence by hyping up the BCS National Championship Game up to a month prior to the game's participants being identified. ESPN virtually picks the matchup it desires in order to maximize revenue. Auburn was a problem for ESPN in 2004 because it had already declared (In November) that the USC/OU matchup will be the greatest game ever played. To ensure that the public outcry was limited to Auburn fans, ESPN campaigned against Auburn to justify its position. When the dust settled, Auburn was declared second rate and not worthy of a spot at the table. Remember the old adage of never starting a war with someone who buys ink in 50 gallon drums?

As for more airtime on ESPN, it's become clear that the network has bought into celebrity-style reporting on the coaches. A good storyline will get more coverage (Saban's travelling past; his gruff attitude) over a consistently successful coach who rarely gives cause for much uproar (outside of the toothless crimson masses).

All told, Auburn can stand on even par with any program in the nation, but that doesn't mean that we won't have to work harder to get there.