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Bullet Serialization
« on: January 29, 2009, 09:53:00 AM »
I spent the better part of last night making sure my representatives were contacted one way or the other.  The company that is pushing this does not have the technology to accomplish it.  They have just patented the "idea" so they can receive a royalty once someone else figures out how to do it.

http://michiganhuntingtoday.com/hooksandbullets/index.php/2008/12/16/ammunition-serialization-legislation-is-here/

For those that watch South Park it reminds me of the underwear gnomes episode. 
"Step 1 - steal the underwear.
Step 2 - ?
Step 3 - get paid"


This is the actual bill itself for those who are interested.
http://www.legis.ga.gov/legis/2009_10/fulltext/sb12.htm


It should also be noted that Alabama has similar legislation being proposed as well. These are the states who have it on the docket.

Alabama, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island,South Carolina, Tennessee, and Washington.

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Re: Bullet Serialization
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2009, 10:01:30 AM »
I spent the better part of last night making sure my representatives were contacted one way or the other.  The company that is pushing this does not have the technology to accomplish it.  They have just patented the "idea" so they can receive a royalty once someone else figures out how to do it.

http://michiganhuntingtoday.com/hooksandbullets/index.php/2008/12/16/ammunition-serialization-legislation-is-here/

For those that watch South Park it reminds me of the underwear gnomes episode. 
"Step 1 - steal the underwear.
Step 2 - ?
Step 3 - get paid"


This is the actual bill itself for those who are interested.
http://www.legis.ga.gov/legis/2009_10/fulltext/sb12.htm


It should also be noted that Alabama has similar legislation being proposed as well. These are the states who have it on the docket.

Alabama, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island,South Carolina, Tennessee, and Washington.



I can guarantee you that the power-hungry Democrats socialists will use any means necessary to either disarm us or, at least, make it as difficult as possible to get guns and ammunition.  Right now it seems that it is easier for those Anti-gun advocates to go after ammunition.
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Re: Bullet Serialization
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2009, 10:11:31 AM »
All you X'er Hunters and Sportsmen, it's worth staying on top of this subject.  Ironically I was just talking with someone yesterday about it.

You may not care about the Fed-Gov/State Democrats socialists encroaching upon your freedom to smoke when and where you want or eat what you want or have the health care that you want but maybe you'll care about something like this.

As I've written before X'ERS WAKE UP!

Here's a brief Fact-Sheet from the NRA-ILA regarding this subject:

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"Encoded Ammunition"/Bullet Serialization


"Encoded Ammunition" (Bullet and Cartridge Case Serialization) Means:

* Forfeiture of Currently-Owned Ammunition

* A Separate Registration for Every Box of New Ammunition

* Outrageously Expensive Ammunition Costs for Police & Private Citizens Alike

*A Waste of Taxpayer Money, Better Spent on Traditional Police Programs

In 2007, the sponsor of "encoded ammunition" legislation in Maryland urged lawmakers across the country to introduce the same kind of legislation in their states. The bill would require ammunition manufacturers to engrave a serial number on "the base of the bullet and the inside of the cartridge casing of each round" of ammunition for popular sporting caliber center-fire rifles, all center-fire pistols, all .22 rimfire rifles and pistols, and all 12 gauge shotguns.

Reasons to Strenuously Oppose This Legislation

People would be required to forfeit all personally-owned non-encoded ammunition. After a certain date, it would be illegal to possess non-encoded ammunition. Gun owners possess hundreds of millions of rounds of ammunition for target shooting, hunting and personal protection. Consider that American manufacturers produce 8 billion rounds each year.

Reloading (re-using cartridge cases multiple times) would be abolished. There would be no way to correspond serial numbers on cartridge cases, and different sets and quantities of bullets.

People would be required to separately register every box of "encoded ammunition." This information would be supplied to the police. Most states do not even require registration of guns. Each box of ammunition would have a unique serial number, thus a separate registration.

Private citizens would have to maintain records, if they sold ammunition to anyone, including family members or friends.

The cost of ammunition would soar, for police and private citizens alike. The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturing Institute estimates it would take three weeks to produce ammunition currently produced in a single day. For reason of cost, manufacturers would produce only ultra-expensive encoded ammunition, which police would have to buy, just like everyone else.

A tax of five cents a round would be imposed on private citizens, not only upon initial sale, but every time the ammunition changes hands thereafter.

Shotgun ammunition cannot be engraved. Shotgun pellets are too small to be individually engraved. Shotgun cartridge cases are made of plastic, which would be difficult to engrave.

Criminals could beat the system. A large percentage of criminals' ammunition (and guns) is stolen. Criminals could also collect ammunition cases from shooting ranges, and reload them with molten lead bullets made without serial numbers.

Congress eliminated a similar requirement in the 1980s, because there was no law enforcement benefit. Federal law had required purchasers of handgun ammunition to sign a ledger, but Congress repealed that requirement in 1983 (.22 rimfire) and 1986 (center-fire handguns), because it burdened purchasers, vendors and police, with no law enforcement benefit.

Here's the link:
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=227
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Re: Bullet Serialization
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2009, 10:19:43 AM »
Thanks for the more concise link.  I couldn't lay my hands on the one I was working off of last night.
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Re: Bullet Serialization
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2009, 10:54:34 AM »
There are a couple of more links out there that I will post.  I thought I had posted something on this before, but now that I think about it, I was so pissed that I didn't even bother.

http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm


Are they going to be able to figure out which crooks stole which coded ammo?

So from what I gather, all ammo that is not coded, be it private owned or retail, must be destroyed by Jan 1, 2011.  So are teh police going to come into my house and take my ammo?  I also don't like the fact that I will have to give up all my info when purchasing ammo.  The government has no business knowing what caliber and how many I purchase.  I also think there is a tax hike in there as well.

No need in taking our firearms when they can make ammo almost impossible to purchase.

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Re: Bullet Serialization
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2009, 01:02:00 PM »
There are a couple of more links out there that I will post.  I thought I had posted something on this before, but now that I think about it, I was so pissed that I didn't even bother.

http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm


Are they going to be able to figure out which crooks stole which coded ammo?

So from what I gather, all ammo that is not coded, be it private owned or retail, must be destroyed by Jan 1, 2011.  So are teh police going to come into my house and take my ammo?  I also don't like the fact that I will have to give up all my info when purchasing ammo.  The government has no business knowing what caliber and how many I purchase.  I also think there is a tax hike in there as well.

No need in taking our firearms when they can make ammo almost impossible to purchase.


I think that's The ONE's plan...along with his socialist cohorts.

"If ammunition is outlawed, only outlaws will have ammunition."
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The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
-The Right Honourable Margaret Thatcher

The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Bullet Serialization
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2009, 03:07:06 PM »
I think that's The ONE's plan...along with his socialist cohorts.

"If ammunition is outlawed, only outlaws will have ammunition."

I figured that the new administration were at least not dumb enough to specifically target our firearms.  I figured they would try something different, but damn I would have thought they would have waited a while before they tried it though.
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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2009, 03:20:15 PM »
I figured that the new administration were at least not dumb enough to specifically target our firearms.  I figured they would try something different, but damn I would have thought they would have waited a while before they tried it though.

In an effort to be fair this is not the first year that it has been up for votes but it had been SOUNDLY defeated every other year.  Now I am starting to get nervous.
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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2009, 04:34:16 PM »
I figured that the new administration were at least not dumb enough to specifically target our firearms.  I figured they would try something different, but damn I would have thought they would have waited a while before they tried it though.

After seeing how fast the Democrats socialists have moved on the S-CHIP Bill not a damn thing surprises me about them moving quickly on other agenda items.

By the way, I think they are dumb enough to target our firearms in a "progressive" way; ammunition is just the beginning.
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The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
-The Right Honourable Margaret Thatcher

The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Bullet Serialization
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2009, 04:54:54 PM »
After seeing how fast the Democrats socialists have moved on the S-CHIP Bill not a damn thing surprises me about them moving quickly on other agenda items.

By the way, I think they are dumb enough to target our firearms in a "progressive" way; ammunition is just the beginning.

That is what I meant to say and did in my head just didn't type it out.  I meant to say "right away" and that they would wait a while before doing so, but go after ammo immediately.
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It isn't that liberals are ignorant. It's just they know so much that isn't so. --Ronald Reagan