13th National Championship Inevitable?

[AuburnChopper 3.0]

Just asking, because despite losses and better teams that finished higher than them in the past, Alabama "officially" claimed them anyway building the impressive number of 12.   So, should we anticipate a "Got 13" shirt on the horizon?

Just curious....

[Birmingham]

You should check out how many the NCAA claim we have.

[AuburnChopper 3.0]

You should check out how many the NCAA claim we have.

I think things were done a little different in dem' early days B.  Kind of my point.   

Check this link out: http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/ia_football_past_champs.html

How many Division I schools SHARE those championships with you in earlier days?  How many were "awarded" (not earned) YEARS after the respective season?

Shoot, by your standards, Auburn has won several, but you don't see us claiming them on T-shirts and thumping our chests....right?

[Kaos]

You should check out how many the NCAA claim we have.

The NCAA says zero.  I like their math.

[AUChizad]

You should check out how many the NCAA claim we have.

I know this has been presented 15 billion times and it has yet to sink into a single bammers skull. But hey, maybe 15 billion and 1 will do it. I won't hold my breath though.
   

I just wanted to clear up a few misconceptions about Alabama's claim to 12 national championships based on fact rather than bias. Credit is given where credit is due.

To clear up confusion, the word retroactive means they went back in time to award the championship.

'TWELVE' national championships is fraudulent, nothing but pure bunk ginned up by the SID Department. Here's a rundown:


1925 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with Dartmouth. Who awarded the NC? Houlgate and Helms. Houlgate started his system in 1927. So Bama won their 1925 NC using a formula that didn't exist until 1927? Helms Athletic Foundation started in 1941. Another incredible retroactive NC.


The Associated Press Poll has been active since 1936. The AP took their final poll prior to bowl games from 1936 - 1964 and in 1966 and 1967. They took their final poll after the bowl games in 1965 and from 1968 - Current.


1926 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with 3 other teams with equal or better records! Once again it is the Helms Athletic Foundation in 1941 that awards it!


1930 National Championship- The Davis poll says that Bama tied Notre Dame for NC this year. This was the only one to award it to Bama. Notre Dame was named NC in 6 polls! Parke Davis is another retroactive system! He (an individual, not an organization) did his in 1933!


1934 National Championship- Alabama says they share this with two other teams. The awarders are Dunkel, Williamson, and Football Thesaurus. Dunkel was an individual who came up with his own system. Williamson was a geologist who came up with his own system. Football Thesaurus first appeared in 1946!


1941 National Championship- This is a complete joke. The AP ranked Alabama 20th in the nation with 14 teams with better records in the top 20. Once again it is the Football Thesaurus that retroactively awards it. Alabama finished 3rd in the SEC that year. Mississippi State won the SEC title..yet Bama claims a National title!


1961 National Championship- Finally a legitimate NC. .


1964 National Championship- While the AP did award the NC to Bama (10-1-0), Arkansas had the better record, 11-0. Alabama played Texas in their bowl and LOST. The AP final poll was before the bowl.


1965 National Championship- The AP gave this to Bama. That year there were three teams with better records than Bama. Bama 9-1-1, Michigan St 10-1-0, Arkansas 10-1-0, Nebraska 10-1-0.


1973 National Championship- AP puts Bama 4th after their bowl game loss. Bama claims a NC from the UPI poll that was taken before they met Notre Dame in the bowl game and lost. There were 3 teams with better records than Bama that year. The embarrassment of naming Alabama number one caused the UPI to name champions after bowl games. Yet Bammer has no shame in claiming it of course.


1978 National Championship- AP gives this to Alabama(11-1-0) even though USC (12-1-0) had the better record Guess who Alabama lost to that year? USC!!!!!!!!!. UPI gave the NC to USC.


1979 National Championship- Their second legitimate NC. Their first Unanimous NC.


1992 National Championship- Their third legitimate NC. Their second Unanimous NC.


You can see why people ridicule Bama fans when they talk about 12 NCs. The early ones were awarded by individuals years after the games were played. These weren't consensus polls but NCs awarded by people that had their own formula for determining champions. Some NCs were given before bowl games that Bama lost. Using Alabama logic, Auburn could claim four national championships. But when Bammers brag they like to say they have twelve and Auburn has one. How silly. The NCAA recognizes 6 NCs for Bama and there are only two NCs that Bama has unanimously. You can't find an Auburn site claiming four national championships but there are plenty Bama sites claiming twelve.
Debunking the Alabama National Championship myths.


At the same time, Auburn could claim at least 5 national titles using the Bammer methods.

1913- Auburn went 8-0 and claimed the NC in the Billingsley Poll.

1957-AP national Champions.

1983-Auburn went 11-1, played the nation's toughest schedule, and won the national title in The New York Times, Sagarin, Billingsley, Rothman and College Football Researchers Association

1993-Auburn went 11-0 and won the national title by the National Championship Foundation .

2004- Auburn became only the second team in SEC history to go 13-0. Auburn even beat SEC East champion Tennessee twice. Auburn was awarded the national title by the first People's National Championship Poll, Golf Digest, and The Eufaula Times.


AUBURN only claims the 1957 national title. HOWEVER..IF Alabama can claim some of the ones that they claim, we have ever right to claim the ones above.

Bama...legends in their own minds!

References:

http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/ia_football_past_champs.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I-A_national_football_championship

http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/story?page=communityfbip

[Jumbo]

I know this has been presented 15 billion times and it has yet to sink into a single bammers skull. But hey, maybe 15 billion and 1 will do it. I won't hold my breath though.
   

That never gets old

[AuburnChopper 3.0]

That never gets old

Facts never get old. 

[Godfather]

The NCAA says zero.  I like their math.

BINGO give that man a dollar

[Iwannaplay]

According to the NCAA nobody has ever won the National Championship in Division I-A...They don't recognize a champion because there is no tournament to determine one.

[wreckingball]

Who cares how many alabama claims? they will never catch princeton with 18.

[Saniflush]

Who cares how many alabama claims? they will never catch princeton with 18.

  

Suck it Bama.

[Jumbo]

Who cares how many alabama claims? they will never catch princeton with 18.

The man has skillz :thumbsup:

[Birmingham]

According to the NCAA nobody has ever won the National Championship in Division I-A...They don't recognize a champion because there is no tournament to determine one.

wrong.  The NCAA does not "award" a champion but they do recognize who the AP champion or from various other polls whenever they were popular enough to have credit.

[AuburnChopper 3.0]

wrong.  The NCAA does not "award" a champion but they do recognize who the AP champion or from various other polls whenever they were popular enough to have credit.

What's wrong then with what they said?   They said nothing but the truth.  Let me be clear.  You can not say that the "NCAA Says" you have any.  By that you imply that the NCAA awarded you those championships, which is false.  Various systems, individuals and polls awarded you, or placed you as THEIR respective National Champion for that season. 

The NCAA merely records that fact.

[Iwannaplay]

What's wrong then with what they said?   They said nothing but the truth.  Let me be clear.  You can not say that the "NCAA Says" you have any.  By that you imply that the NCAA awarded you those championships, which is false.  Various systems, individuals and polls awarded you, or placed you as THEIR respective National Champion for that season. 

The NCAA merely records that fact.

Exactly the NCAA only awards national championships in Football Championship Subdivison, D-II, D-III.  Anyway the NCAA only has 10 recorded "Championships" for Bama not 12: 1925, 26, 30, 61, 64, 65, 73, 78, 79, 92

http://www.ncaa.com/history/football-fbs.html

And the first three were applied retroactively.  Yale has 18 as well.

[Birmingham]

What's wrong then with what they said?   They said nothing but the truth.  Let me be clear.  You can not say that the "NCAA Says" you have any.  By that you imply that the NCAA awarded you those championships, which is false.  Various systems, individuals and polls awarded you, or placed you as THEIR respective National Champion for that season. 

I'll say it again.  Wrong.  They "acknowledge" national championships based on AP and the BCS (current) and whatever polls of the past.   That they do not "award" them does not mean that they do not "acknowledge" them.

I do not award an actor a Grammy, a track star a gold metal, or an SEC team a championship (for that matter).  But I do acknowledge all three of them.  Which is why there is split championships "acknowledged" by the NCAA because one poll says team A should be the champion and one poll says team B should be the champion. 

That is why they "acknowledge" Notre Dame to have like 24 National championships and Alabama to have 17.  Because somewhere down the line, there were polls saying Notre Dame was the champion that year.  The same way the AP would say Texas would be the champion this year (if OK barely beats FL and TX beats Ohio St bad).  There would be a split championship and the NCAA would "acknowledge" both of them in their records without awarding either of them.

[AuburnChopper 3.0]

I'll say it again.  Wrong.  They "acknowledge" national championships based on AP and the BCS (current) and whatever polls of the past.   That they do not "award" them does not mean that they do not "acknowledge" them.

Who's been wrong?  I think it's funny, you give an emphatic "Wrong", then proceed to explain our answer to yourself.  Interesting approach.

I do not award an actor a Grammy, a track star a gold metal, or an SEC team a championship (for that matter).  But I do acknowledge all three of them.  Which is why there is split championships "acknowledged" by the NCAA because one poll says team A should be the champion and one poll says team B should be the champion.

Again, nobody disputes this.  However, Alabama is one of the few schools that actually claim all of them, regardless of when, who or how it was awarded.   Example: Auburn, we claim the one undisputed title we earned.  If we handled it like Bama, we'd have five. 

It's pretty simple, yet lost on you and your obvious desire to just argue about it for no apparent reason. 

That is why they "acknowledge" Notre Dame to have like 24 National championships and Alabama to have 17.  Because somewhere down the line, there were polls saying Notre Dame was the champion that year.  The same way the AP would say Texas would be the champion this year (if OK barely beats FL and TX beats Ohio St bad).  There would be a split championship and the NCAA would "acknowledge" both of them in their records without awarding either of them.

That's a fine example B'ham, however, where you fail again, is that all the examples you gave would be awarded this year and based on a game that's being played for the chance to earn that title.

A certain number of your championships were awarded years after the seasons ended, and were based soley on an individuals opinion or system.  Again, if that's the case, then ours should count the same, and Alabama fans would HAVE to acknowledge Auburn's FIVE National Championships.

Are you prepared to do that?  If NOT, you're a hypocrite.  Which in turn is the basis behind Auburn, and others finding your 12 laughable.  I now return my remaining time to the honorable gentlemen and yield the floor.

[Birmingham]

Are you prepared to do that?  If NOT, you're a hypocrite.

Am I prepared to allow you to say Auburn has 5 National Championships?  Why the hell would I care.  You mistake me for someone who gives a damn about Auburn claiming more than one National Championship.

As for who is "wrong"  :

Quote from: Kaos
Quote from: Birmingham on Today at 08:22:35 AM
You should check out how many the NCAA claim we have.


The NCAA says zero.  I like their math.

The NCAA does not say we have zero.  That is wrong.  The NCAA awarded us zero.  They say we have 17.  I'm boggled by you not understanding the elementary problem with not awarding but acknowledging in records those who do award.

[AUChizad]

Am I prepared to allow you to say Auburn has 5 National Championships?  Why the hell would I care.  You mistake me for someone who gives a damn about Auburn claiming more than one National Championship.

I have never in my entire life heard an Alabama fan say Auburn had any more than one (usually they say something like 1/2) despite in the same breath claiming 12 of their own. The fact is, anyone who claims more than 6 of those "championships" is a raging retard.

[AWK]

I have never in my entire life heard an Alabama fan say Auburn had any more than one (usually they say something like 1/2) despite in the same breath claiming 12 of their own. The fact is, anyone who claims more than 6 of those "championships" is a raging retard.

I am just afraid that if a customer walks in the door and saw me jerking off, they would get retard strong and start grabbing at my dick.