Criminals…

[Snaggletiger]

Are these two points still valid? Asking for a friend.

Because a clemency spree just happened. A lot of them bad bad people.

When I saw the huge number all at once, I wondered what kind of vetting process was done, because it does appear that there were some really bad apples that got their get out of jail free cards.

[wesfau2]

Are these two points still valid? Asking for a friend.

Because a clemency spree just happened. A lot of them bad bad people.

clemency =/= pardon

[chinook]

clemency =/= pardon

it serves the same purpose.  your boy Joe has done more than anyone regardless how you want to define it, shape it or mold it to fit.

[GH2001]

clemency =/= pardon

You know exactly what I am driving at here. Quit being obtuse. Clemency was used purposely here since it's all encompassing. Whether general clemency or specifically a full pardon, the jist of your post was a philosophical "spirit of the rule" disagreement with the entire concept at the POTUS level. The more it's done, the worse - right?

[wesfau2]

You know exactly what I am driving at here. Quit being obtuse. Clemency was used purposely here since it's all encompassing. Whether general clemency or specifically a full pardon, the jist of your post was a philosophical "spirit of the rule" disagreement with the entire concept at the POTUS level. The more it's done, the worse - right?

Clemency is usually granted at the request/recommendation of a 3rd party.

I don't have a problem with that, generally.

Preemptive pardoning by the POTUS is not my bag and I disagree with it, regardless of who uses it.

[The Six]

Errbody in this thread...it's the end of the year. Go play with some titties (or dicks, no judgement here), grab a goblet or glass, toast something, smoke some meat (not like Snags, like Joe at the tailgate), and touch some grass.

Both parties suck. Washington sucks. Montgomery sucks. Or wherever your state capital is.


Life's too gotdamn short and Bama is too poor for all this himing and hawing.

[jmar]

Errbody in this thread...it's the end of the year. Go play with some titties (or dicks, no judgement here), grab a goblet or glass, toast something, smoke some meat (not like Snags, like Joe at the tailgate), and touch some grass.

Both parties suck. Washington sucks. Montgomery sucks. Or wherever your state capital is.


Life's too gotdamn short and Bama is too poor for all this himing and hawing.

Yes...Make Christmas Great Again!

[Kaos]

Errbody in this thread...it's the end of the year. Go play with some titties (or dicks, no judgement here), grab a goblet or glass, toast something, smoke some meat (not like Snags, like Joe at the tailgate), and touch some grass.

Both parties suck. Washington sucks. Montgomery sucks. Or wherever your state capital is.


Life's too gotdamn short and Bama is too poor for all this himing and hawing.

You know who doesn't suck? 

Donald J. Trump. 

The greatest president of any of our lifetimes. 

Suck on that.

[chinook]

Of the 40 inmates on federal death row, according to DeathPenaltyInfo.org, Biden is commuting 37 men sentenced to death, reclassifying their sentences to life without the possibility of parole.

Biden's forgiveness wand continues. 

[GH2001]

Biden's forgiveness wand continues.

Yeah but but but he only commuted their sentences. It wasn’t a full pardon. Nothing to see here.

[wesfau2]

Biden's forgiveness wand continues.

Good.  The death penalty is a barbaric relic that serves no good purpose.

[jmar]

The tenor of my excitement with this
X Men filled Trump team will drop precipitously if the January 6 prisoner's aren't released. It must happen and very soon after DJT's inauguration. These were Soviet style show trials, rights were trampled and lives laid to waste.

[Kaos]

Good.  The death penalty is a barbaric relic that serves no good purpose.

Unsurprisingly, I disagree vehemently. 

The only problem with it today is the length of time between sentence and execution.  It should happen within 90 days. 

The purpose would then be better served.

I do have another solution, though.  Anyone who should be sentenced to death can come stay with you.  YOU are responsible for their feeding, care, medical bills, clothing, etc.  I don't want to pay for it.  You do it.

[CCTAU]

Bring back public hangings.
And add public canings.
Watch crime go down and liberal heads explode.
The plantation lawyers will be apoplectic!

[GH2001]

Good.  The death penalty is a barbaric relic that serves no good purpose.

The about face you’ve done here is staggering. I’ll give you credit - your side sticks with the team no matter what.

[jmar]

Bring back public hangings.
And add public canings.
Watch crime go down and liberal heads explode.
The plantation lawyers will be apoplectic!

Yeah pre Musk Twitter booted me permanently for saying traitors should be executed. Never once mentioned a single person by name or any method. I don't have a following so I'm left to the judgement of bots.

[wesfau2]

The about face you’ve done here is staggering. I’ll give you credit - your side sticks with the team no matter what.

I don't think you'll find that I've changed my stance on capital punishment at all.

[Kaos]

I don't think you'll find that I've changed my stance on capital punishment at all.

Changing stance =/= shoving the goalpost all over the field, up into the stands, out in the parking lot, and halfway across town. 

[Snaggletiger]

So, on his way out of office, Biden pardons Anthony Fauci, Mark Milley, and everyone on the January 6th Committee.

How do you pardon somebody not even accused of a crime?

[Kaos]

So, on his way out of office, Biden pardons Anthony Fauci, Mark Milley, and everyone on the January 6th Committee.

How do you pardon somebody not even accused of a crime?

I'm sure wes will be along directly to explain how this is a good thing and Trump has done something worse. 

It is within the president's constitutional (Article II, Section 2, Clause 1)  power to pardon "either before legal proceedings are taken, or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment." 

My understanding is that accepting the pardon is treated essentially as an admission of guilt. They just can't be punished. They know and accept they are criminals.

There are limits, however.  Presidential pardons extend only to federal crimes. They have no standing on state crimes or civil litigation. 

That means it's likely up to the states or us, as citizens, to bury these murderers (Fauci) and traitors (Cheney, Schiff, Milley in particular) as deeply as we can. Destroy them.  Ruin what's left of their lives.