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Re: The Gus Bus has left the building
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2020, 03:27:02 PM »
https://www.al.com/auburnfootball/2020/12/gus-malzahn-fired-as-auburn-head-coach.html

So who replaces him?
Bill Parcells.  
Tom Landry.
Don Shula. 
Bob Stoops. 
Jon Gruden. 
Ron Zook. 

Those were the first names I heard.  

Here's my position.  I think Gus was a good person who was in over his head. The success with Cam (once-in-a-lifetime personality) combined with the success he had with Marshall (perfect mix of an offense people weren't familiar with and a guy who could make the one read he had to make to execute it) ruined him completely.  No willingness to change when the rest of the world caught up with him. Those two seasons solidified his own self perception and made it impossible for him to be anything else but insular. His entire assistant coaching staff was filled with inexperienced sycophants. No one willing to challenge his delusions of mastery.  He never saw the dysfunction, he only saw that it needed more tinkering.  Watching him I often saw a man completely confused by what was unfolding in front of him with no concept whatsoever of how to fix it.  I saw that last night, even.  

I don't hate the guy. I don't wish him harm.  I've seen a lot of people in my career promoted into positions they weren't prepared to handle.  He's the only one I've seen who gets to waltz away with $20 million, which renders any sorrow I feel for him completely inert.  

I don't even really blame him for failing.  This was an Auburn failure.  He wasn't ready for the job and "we" gave it to him anyway.  We didn't give him help when he was clearly floundering and let him continue to make the same mistakes he'd made time after time after time.  A full decade of Auburn football was pretty much neutered because of the reflected glow of two seasons and two games.  He needed a mentor.  He could have used guidance from Coach Dye but the people I know (and they're scarce these days) tell me he sort of viewed Dye as a doddering old dinosaur, full of stories of the past.  Kind of like listening to your great uncle talk about when he used to ride the train into town or something.  So instead of listening and learning, he patronized and kept doing things his way.  

We failed Gus because we didn't have a strong administration that said "no, you're not hiring freaking Chip Lindsey or Todd Packer (or whoever this current fool is) as OC.  The program needs an infusion of new ideas..."    

No animosity.  It was time for him to do something else. This has run its course and the utter mismanagement of Bo Nix is the most damning evidence that it needed to happen now.  

Great consternation, though.  If anybody can royally fuck this up from here it's the AU administration and our dick-cheese sniffing BOT.  

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Re: The Gus Bus has left the building
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2020, 04:43:45 PM »
You forgot bill cowher K. I done heard it’s a done deal by gawddd. 

1. Chip Lindsay only really called the shots for 3 games - homecoming, uga and Bama. Look those games up from 2017. They were glorious and got Gus his fat contract. He and Rhett had become coaches who were not sycophants so they left. I actually liked rhett.

2. The three person committee put together in nov/dec of 2012 to find our next coach needed a majority vote to ok the next hire. That committee contained Pat Sullivan and bo jackson. I’m just not sure what to make of that. Other than we went familiar/nice guy/auburn man/safe route there. Sorry. Wont work in today’s sec. Dabo the dumbo may be the only one today that breaks this mold but he’s the exception not the rule.
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Re: The Gus Bus has left the building
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2020, 04:59:54 PM »
I sure as hell hope Kaos can live with this. And I hope that they at least talk to Mike Dubose.
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Re: The Gus Bus has left the building
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2020, 10:09:14 AM »
Here's my position.  I think Gus was a good person who was in over his head. The success with Cam (once-in-a-lifetime personality) combined with the success he had with Marshall (perfect mix of an offense people weren't familiar with and a guy who could make the one read he had to make to execute it) ruined him completely.  No willingness to change when the rest of the world caught up with him. Those two seasons solidified his own self perception and made it impossible for him to be anything else but insular. His entire assistant coaching staff was filled with inexperienced sycophants. No one willing to challenge his delusions of mastery.  He never saw the dysfunction, he only saw that it needed more tinkering.  Watching him I often saw a man completely confused by what was unfolding in front of him with no concept whatsoever of how to fix it.  I saw that last night, even. 

I don't hate the guy. I don't wish him harm.  I've seen a lot of people in my career promoted into positions they weren't prepared to handle.  He's the only one I've seen who gets to waltz away with $20 million, which renders any sorrow I feel for him completely inert. 

I don't even really blame him for failing.  This was an Auburn failure.  He wasn't ready for the job and "we" gave it to him anyway.  We didn't give him help when he was clearly floundering and let him continue to make the same mistakes he'd made time after time after time.  A full decade of Auburn football was pretty much neutered because of the reflected glow of two seasons and two games.  He needed a mentor.  He could have used guidance from Coach Dye but the people I know (and they're scarce these days) tell me he sort of viewed Dye as a doddering old dinosaur, full of stories of the past.  Kind of like listening to your great uncle talk about when he used to ride the train into town or something.  So instead of listening and learning, he patronized and kept doing things his way. 

We failed Gus because we didn't have a strong administration that said "no, you're not hiring freaking Chip Lindsey or Todd Packer (or whoever this current fool is) as OC.  The program needs an infusion of new ideas..."   

No animosity.  It was time for him to do something else. This has run its course and the utter mismanagement of Bo Nix is the most damning evidence that it needed to happen now. 

Great consternation, though.  If anybody can royally fuck this up from here it's the AU administration and our dick-cheese sniffing BOT. 
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Re: The Gus Bus has left the building
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2020, 10:10:20 AM »
You forgot bill cowher K. I done heard it’s a done deal by gawddd. 

1. I actually liked rhett.

2. Not 1.
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1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

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Re: The Gus Bus has left the building
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2020, 02:56:52 PM »
Do not say this out loud. They may hear you!

AS OC!!!
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Re: The Gus Bus has left the building
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2020, 07:33:14 AM »
Coughlin's Law; Anything else is always something better.
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Re: The Gus Bus has left the building
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2020, 10:00:05 AM »
Is it too early to suggest that we should forget about wins/losses/success or any of that and prove our woke virtue by hiring the first African transgender lesbian/gay coach in the history of college football? 

I mean there's this chick with a dick out there all unemployed.



Or is it a man with a vagina?  I never really know. 

Sadly, I just learned that Vandy got a jump on the woke-hiring train by reaching out to a largely forgotten and underserved minority group in their head coaching hire: The albino.  

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Re: The Gus Bus has left the building
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2020, 11:22:53 AM »
Why did Auburn pay Gus Malzahn $21.7 million to walk away? Offensive woes top list



There were a number of reasons Gus Malzahn was fired by Auburn on Sunday after eight up-and-down seasons, but none was as ironic or as frustrating as the regression of the offense. The struggle there represented the crumbling of the foundation of the program and the core of Malzahn as a coach.

Remember, it was Malzahn who wrote the book on the hurry-up, no-huddle. It was a philosophy, he wrote, that "allows the offense to be the aggressor and keep constant pressure on the defense." And initially that combination of aggressiveness and pressure worked out brilliantly for him, first as Auburn's offensive coordinator during its championship season in 2010 and then again as head coach three years later. It was exciting and new and helped change the way college football was played.
Operating at breakneck speeds, Malzahn turned Nick Marshall into a star and gave defensive-minded coaches like Alabama's Nick Saban fits. Auburn went all the way to the BCS National Championship Game that first season of 2013 with Malzahn at the helm, and the SEC rookie head coach was labeled a genius.

After Auburn narrowly lost to Florida State that night in Pasadena, a proud Malzahn told reporters, "We're going up. ... Our goal is to get back here. I really believe we'll do it."
But they never did. Malzahn's genius ran out and his book on offense never came with a second volume. He struggled weighing his roots as a playcaller with the need to oversee an entire program. And as he flip-flopped his position calling plays, opposing coaches studied what he did and evolved, while Malzahn stubbornly remained the same.
Blue-chip offensive recruits like Duke Williams, Kyle Davis and Nate Craig-Myers flamed out. Meanwhile, a star quarterback never materialized, which was perhaps the most striking indictment against a coach who had been billed a QB whisperer ever since he helped mold Cam Newton into a Heisman Trophy winner as offensive coordinator.
Jeremy Johnson was supposed to be the heir apparent to Marshall and Newton, and instead he went bust. Sean White was arrested and kicked off the team. John Franklin III transferred. And Jarrett Stidham never quite lived up to the hype, appearing to be more or less a game manager than the difference-maker he was promised to be.
The tempo diminished. The excitement waned. The only hurry became the haste with which some Auburn supporters wished to show Malzahn the door.



It was the summer of 2014, and Malzahn took a seat inside an empty locker room after practice. He had only a few minutes, but he would gladly spend them discussing the evolution of the hurry-up, no-huddle offense. Coming off a magical 2013 season with Marshall returning for his senior year, Auburn was ranked fifth and all seemed possible.
Malzahn wiped away a bead of sweat, adjusted his visor and relived the birth of his offense back in northwest Arkansas two decades earlier. Once he went all-in on the uptempo pace, he said, he never had a doubt. "It was successful right off the bat that first year," Malzahn explained. "It was easy." He had to overcome some hurdles to get it going in the SEC -- a tumultuous foray into college as offensive coordinator under Houston Nutt at Arkansas went unmentioned -- but his offense eventually had found a home in Auburn first as an OC and then head coach.

"It's who we are," Malzahn said. "We do everything fast."
Going fast fit his personality, he said, copping to being a "pretty impatient" guy. He had no patience for doubters, either. He could still hear how coaches tried to talk him out of his offensive philosophy: You'll wear your guys out, you won't be able to execute fast pace. When it gets cold in December you won't be successful. Rather than give in, he leaned on the best advice he said he'd ever received: "Do what you know and stick with it."
He felt the ground moving beneath him and was unworried. The hurry-up had become ubiquitous in high school and was filtering up rapidly through the college ranks. Traditional run-heavy programs such as Ole Miss, Texas A&M and Tennessee had adopted similar styles of play. Even Alabama had recently hired Lane Kiffin to change with the times. Did Malzahn wish his offense was still a rarity? "Maybe a little bit," he said, "but we're still pretty unique."
Malzahn was pleasant and candid, but the final question appeared to lock him up: Who do you study on offense? Do you research other teams during the offseason?
"No," he said bluntly. "We try to do what we do better."
Not even high school teams just for ideas?

"No."
It was unusual to hear a coach say he didn't visit with colleagues and swap ideas. If nothing else, football coaches are a fraternity.
But Malzahn kept his circle unusually small, most notably including fellow hurry-up disciples Art Briles and Hugh Freeze. One coach who worked with Malzahn said he maintained a siloed program. Another pointed out how his staff was intentionally stacked with acolytes, his former players or low-level assistants.
The word "paranoid" was often used by colleagues and former co-workers to describe Malzahn, who is said to have once sent a member of the support staff out of practice because he graduated from the school Auburn was playing that week. One coach said Malzahn even made a habit of harping on scout team players about keeping game plans a secret from their family and girlfriends. He picked up the reputation of being difficult with NFL scouts, restricting their access for fear that information would leak.
"He's a guy that ... is very cautious around people, very secretive," a longtime SEC assistant coach said. "He doesn't want people to steal their plays. He's very to himself. His offense is very exclusive."

But exclusivity is a fleeting thing in college football, where every play is dissected and every tendency is eventually revealed. As the years wore on, the knock Malzahn had entering the SEC -- that he ran an overly simplistic "high school offense" -- became true once again. It was the same small number of plays run over and over, sources said, adding that if he doesn't have elite talent, especially in the form of a running quarterback, it doesn't work.
"It's got to evolve," said one former SEC head coach. "He thinks his offense, he can run it against anybody. You'll beat some of these also-rans and the Vanderbilts and the Kentuckys and all those, but there are good coaches in the SEC and they will shut you down in a heartbeat."
As defenses caught on, Malzahn did something a younger version of himself might have never imagined. Rather than go faster and apply even more pressure, he slowed the tempo down. The proud aggressor stopped being quite so aggressive.
From 2013 to 2016, Auburn's offense ranked 25th in the FBS in points per game. But since 2018, the Tigers have fallen to 50th in scoring.
The big play -- a hallmark of Malzahn's early offenses -- fell by the wayside, too, as Auburn ranked 62nd in plays of 30 yards or more over the past three seasons.



Malzahn always seemed to be searching for a second act. Having made the incredible leap from high school to the SEC, having shown proof of concept early as head coach at Auburn, he needed his story to turn in a different direction.
The problem: He couldn't settle on where he was headed.
An unwillingness to cede control of the offense to coordinators like Rhett Lashlee, right, was a theme during Malzahn's tenure. 
Malzahn would ping-pong from being the CEO he said he needed to be and the hands-on coach he said he really was. He'd give offensive coordinator Rhett Lashlee playcalling duties only to later take them back. Then Lashlee left for UConn, and Malzahn hired Chip Lindsey and handed him the keys to the offense. And true to form, Malzahn would call that "a mistake" and take control once again when he hired Kenny Dillingham as Lindsey's replacement.
Even this past offseason, Malzahn couldn't help changing his mind once more as he hired his buddy and former Arkansas coach Chad Morris to run the offense, giving Morris playcalling duties, which he appeared to maintain throughout the season.
It's unclear how much of the offense changed under Morris and how much of the learning curve was curtailed by COVID-19, which prevented Auburn from holding spring practice or meeting in person for much of the offseason.
Whatever the case, there was no discernible improvement. Quarterback Bo Nix, who looked like he had the potential to develop into a star and was named last season's SEC Freshman of the Year, regressed as a sophomore. While his completion percentage improved slightly from 57.6% to 60% -- still well short of the SEC average of 64.7% -- his yards per attempt remained the same as a season ago, and through 10 games he's thrown one more interception and five fewer touchdowns.
And that's despite having one of the better receivers in the SEC in Seth Williams and one of the most talented young running backs in the country in Tank Bigsby.
Auburn had to scratch and claw to beat two-win Mississippi State and finish the regular season above .500. Afterward, Malzahn pulled his visor backward and danced in the locker room in celebration.

But less than 24 hours later, the music stopped and a decision was made. As athletic director Allen Greene said in a statement announcing Malzahn's firing, "We will begin a search immediately for a coach that can help the Auburn program consistently compete at the highest level."
Despite the "Kick Six" and the "Prayer at Jordan-Hare" and so many other magical moments, consistency was the thing that eluded Malzahn, who went a combined 8-17 against Alabama, Georgia and LSU. Since his first season in 2013, the Tigers were a paltry 20-24 against teams with a winning record.

There was no sense of forward momentum, no progress, no positive change from year to year. Malzahn remained who he was, and the offense remained what it was, for better or worse.
The closest he ever came to replicating the success of the 2013 season was in 2017, when Auburn went on a tear down the stretch and beat two No. 1 teams in Georgia and Alabama to advance to the SEC championship. A spot in the playoff was possible, and redemption.
But Georgia wasn't fooled a second time around. No amount of speed or motion would surprise it, and after an opening-series touchdown, Auburn didn't score again in a deflating 28-7 loss.
While Malzahn discovered something truly magical in the hurry-up offense, the trick he could never quite pull off was making it new again.





https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30518142/why-did-auburn-pay-gus-malzahn-217-million-walk-away-offensive-woes-top-list
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Re: The Gus Bus has left the building
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2020, 11:50:26 AM »
Why did Auburn pay Gus Malzahn $21.7 million to walk away? Offensive woes 


https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30518142/why-did-auburn-pay-gus-malzahn-217-million-walk-away-offensive-woes-top-list
I believe this is called plagiarism. 

Everything I’ve said for a while.  
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Re: The Gus Bus has left the building
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2020, 10:36:19 AM »
I believe this is called plagiarism.

Everything I’ve said for a while. 

I think the takeaway from this is that even the national media to an extent knew what we did the whole time. The quirkiness, the paranoia, the lack of network, the stubbornness....all of it. 
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Re: The Gus Bus has left the building
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2020, 11:49:23 AM »
Get ready to welcome Chip Lindsey to the planes of Auburn
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Re: The Gus Bus has left the building
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2020, 12:11:03 PM »
Get ready to welcome Chip Lindsey to the planes of Auburn
Like the name Chip Lindsey. 
Sounds like he should be an astronaut or fighter pilot.
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Re: The Gus Bus has left the building
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2020, 12:19:00 PM »
Get ready to welcome Chip Lindsey to the planes of Auburn
I will open hand slap somebody in the forehead.  Hard!
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« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2020, 12:22:46 PM »
I will open hand slap somebody in the forehead.  Hard!
I like it when you talk so tough.
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« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2020, 12:28:11 PM »
I like it when you talk so tough.

you like it when he does a lot of things. 
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« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2020, 12:35:56 PM »
I like it when you talk so tough.
Oh I'm tough alright.  I wouldn't even hesitate to get into a slap fight with Chopper 3.5.
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« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2020, 12:59:28 PM »
Oh I'm tough alright.  I wouldn't even hesitate to get into a slap fight with Chopper 3.5.
All BS aside, I will slap a motherfucker on their bare ass. As in spanking them.

I’ve done it before so it’s not just shit talk with me. Anybody. 
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« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2020, 02:14:25 PM »
Oh I'm tough alright.  I wouldn't even hesitate to get into a slap fight with Chopper 3.5.
Well, you have a 2 foot reach advantage...sooooo
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