Urban going down in flames? - Yep

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #80 on:** August 02, 2018, 02:16:40 PM »

Back when I first started in practice, I was taking on appointed criminal defense work. My very first trial was a Domestic Violence case. I won, not because of my mad trial skillz, but because the accusations were so blatantly false that I couldn't believe they even arrested the guy in the first place. Having said that though, what I found in a lot of those cases where it was clearly a matter of the guy whipping that ass, by the time it got to trial, the spouse refused to cooperate anymore. Didn't want to go through with it.

Saniflush · « **Reply #81 on:** August 02, 2018, 02:22:13 PM »

Quote from: Buzz Killington on August 02, 2018, 01:46:21 PM

And they love to slapaho in acorn land.

I think that is a tribe of indians about to get a casino

Godfather · « **Reply #82 on:** August 02, 2018, 02:23:24 PM »

One more thing let's say that Shelly never told Urban. The incident in 2009 was pretty open because the husband went to rehab. His wife was putting the message out to several coaches wives. None of those wives told their coach husband? Again I find that harder to believe, women love to talk about that shit. Honey, guess what I heard.

So coach doesn't say hey Urban you know who got in trouble for beating his wife in 09, yeah well he's at it again. Again even if Meyer didn't know the extent of the beating at a minimum should have reported to Title IX and didn't.

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #83 on:** August 02, 2018, 02:34:40 PM »

Went home at lunch and Outside the Lines was on. Finebaum was being interviewed and one of the first things out of his mouth was, "The one thing we've learned from this so far is that Urban Meyer is a fraud."

Damn. I can say it on this message board, but that's a little ballsy. And I know balls.

Kaos · « **Reply #84 on:** August 02, 2018, 03:18:06 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on August 02, 2018, 02:23:24 PM

One more thing let's say that Shelly never told Urban. The incident in 2009 was pretty open because the husband went to rehab. His wife was putting the message out to several coaches wives. None of those wives told their coach husband? Again I find that harder to believe, women love to talk about that shit. Honey, guess what I heard.

So coach doesn't say hey Urban you know who got in trouble for beating his wife in 09, yeah well he's at it again. Again even if Meyer didn't know the extent of the beating at a minimum should have reported to Title IX and didn't.

So he knew about 09. That was resolved.

Still canâ€™t prove that he knew the extent of anything after that until charges were filed and the guy got fired

Buzz Killington · « **Reply #85 on:** August 02, 2018, 03:36:06 PM »

And the hits just keep on coming for poor 'ol Urb.

https://twitter.com/Project_Veritas/status/1025059296843898880

Godfather · « **Reply #86 on:** August 02, 2018, 03:51:38 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on August 02, 2018, 03:18:06 PM

So he knew about 09. That was resolved.

Still canâ€™t prove that he knew the extent of anything after that until charges were filed and the guy got fired

I'm not using that as proof, I'm using that in your argument that you find it more plausible that Urban didn't know. Whereas I find it more plausible that there is no way he didn't.

CCTAU · « **Reply #87 on:** August 02, 2018, 03:53:49 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on August 02, 2018, 03:51:38 PM

I'm not using that as proof, I'm using that in your argument that you find it more plausible that Urban didn't know. Whereas I find it more plausible that there is no way he didn't.

We live in a land of provability, not plausibility.

Until its proven, he should be considered innocent of any wrongdoing.

Godfather · « **Reply #88 on:** August 02, 2018, 03:54:26 PM »

Quote from: CCTAU on August 02, 2018, 03:53:49 PM

We live in a land of provability, not plausibility.

Until its proven, he should be considered innocent of any wrongdoing.

I'm not a judge, so I can think all I want.

Godfather · « **Reply #89 on:** August 02, 2018, 03:55:18 PM »

Quote from: CCTAU on August 02, 2018, 03:53:49 PM

We live in a land of provability, not plausibility.

Until its proven, he should be considered innocent of any wrongdoing.

So you believe OJ didn't kill his wife then?

CCTAU · « **Reply #90 on:** August 02, 2018, 03:55:51 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on August 02, 2018, 03:54:26 PM

I'm not a judge, so I can think all I want.

Except for all the smoke it creates, you can do just that.

But its still prudent to wait for ALL the facts before roasting a guy.

Godfather · « **Reply #91 on:** August 02, 2018, 03:56:26 PM »

Quote from: CCTAU on August 02, 2018, 03:55:51 PM

Except for all the smoke it creates, you can do just that.

But its still prudent to wait for ALL the facts before roasting a guy.

Again he wasn't fired, he is on leave.

and my guess is his wife falls on the sword.

CCTAU · « **Reply #92 on:** August 02, 2018, 03:57:22 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on August 02, 2018, 03:55:18 PM

So you believe OJ didn't kill his wife then?

OJ was found not guilty of that act.

Do I believe he was involved in some way? Sure. But in this here land, you have to prove it. Feelings are not law. That is a demoncratic belief.

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #93 on:** August 02, 2018, 04:02:51 PM »

Quote from: CCTAU on August 02, 2018, 03:57:22 PM

OJ was found not guilty of that act.

Do I believe he was involved in some way? Sure. But in this here land, you have to prove it. Feelings are not law. That is a demoncratic belief.

He was found guilty in civil court. Different burden of proof.

Godfather · « **Reply #94 on:** August 02, 2018, 04:12:43 PM »

Quote from: CCTAU on August 02, 2018, 03:57:22 PM

OJ was found not guilty of that act.

Do I believe he was involved in some way? Sure.

I'm calling BS on you believing this nonsense.

Quote from: CCTAU on August 02, 2018, 03:57:22 PM

But in this here land, you have to prove it. Feelings are not law. That is a demoncratic belief.

Also last time I checked this isn't a courtroom, it's a forum. For people to discuss things. So I could give a rat's ass if he proves anything.

I've admitted that Meyer may not have known anything, even said it is possible that she could be lying about the whole thing. However, there is also such a thing as reasonable, the facts are there and it's pretty damning evidence.

Kaos · « **Reply #95 on:** August 02, 2018, 04:19:59 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on August 02, 2018, 03:51:38 PM

I'm not using that as proof, I'm using that in your argument that you find it more plausible that Urban didn't know. Whereas I find it more plausible that there is no way he didn't.

Donâ€™t want to keep slaughtering this horse. I just find it inconceivable that he would know and try to bury it in this age. Maybe he did. I also canâ€™t accept the â€œshould have knownâ€ argument. What does anyone truly know about the intimate lives of the people with whom they work?

Doesnt much matter now. True or not he wonâ€™t ever recover. Wonâ€™t matter whatâ€™s proven or who falls on a sword. This is now his albatross.

Thatâ€™s my problem with it. Canâ€™t stand the smug prick. He was neck deep in twisting the 2010 knife his pal Mullen stuck in our back. I will enjoy his spectacular fall as much as anyone. I just want it to be justified. Iâ€™m not convinced this is. But that coati mundi is out of the cage. Heâ€™s being crucified across the spectrum. He will most likely have to be exiled.

CCTAU · « **Reply #96 on:** August 02, 2018, 04:24:19 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on August 02, 2018, 04:19:59 PM

Donâ€™t want to keep slaughtering this horse. I just find it inconceivable that he would know and try to bury it in this age. Maybe he did. I also canâ€™t accept the â€œshould have knownâ€ argument. What does anyone truly know about the intimate lives of the people with whom they work?

Doesnt much matter now. True or not he wonâ€™t ever recover. Wonâ€™t matter whatâ€™s proven or who falls on a sword. This is now his albatross.

Thatâ€™s my problem with it. Canâ€™t stand the smug prick. He was neck deep in twisting the 2010 knife his pal Mullen stuck in our back. I will enjoy his spectacular fall as much as anyone. I just want it to be justified. Iâ€™m not convinced this is. But that coati mundi is out of the cage. Heâ€™s being crucified across the spectrum. He will most likely have to be exiled.

But this isn't a court....

So it's ok.

Godfather · « **Reply #97 on:** August 02, 2018, 04:32:03 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on August 02, 2018, 04:19:59 PM

Donâ€™t want to keep slaughtering this horse. I just find it inconceivable that he would know and try to bury it in this age. Maybe he did. I also canâ€™t accept the â€œshould have knownâ€ argument. What does anyone truly know about the intimate lives of the people with whom they work?

If he knew about it I don't think he tried to bury it. I think to him he probably thought it was a non-issue. Hell, he might have even thought that it was none of his business he's just trying to do a job. Funny thing is I don't necessarily disagree with that. The problem is y'all keep relating this to regular working environments and K, you know as well as anyone, you have been there that this isn't a regular working environment.

The first issue is Title IX which is pretty important, second I agree that most people don't know everything about their co-workers, but these guys are usually close they aren't just coworkers they are family, they spend more time together than most families probably do. This kid was with him as a player and has followed him to every job Urban has been at. Things like that don't typically happen in regular companies.

With respect to him going down for this, he has done a lot of shady shit over the years, if this is what takes him down, I say fuck him.

Godfather · « **Reply #98 on:** August 02, 2018, 04:32:41 PM »

Quote from: CCTAU on August 02, 2018, 04:24:19 PM

But this isn't a court....

So it's ok.

yep.

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #99 on:** August 02, 2018, 05:05:11 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on August 02, 2018, 04:32:03 PM

If he knew about it I don't think he tried to bury it. I think to him he probably thought it was a non-issue. Hell, he might have even thought that it was none of his business he's just trying to do a job. Funny thing is I don't necessarily disagree with that. The problem is y'all keep relating this to regular working environments and K, you know as well as anyone, you have been there that this isn't a regular working environment.

The first issue is Title IX which is pretty important, second I agree that most people don't know everything about their co-workers, but these guys are usually close they aren't just coworkers they are family, they spend more time together than most families probably do. This kid was with him as a player and has followed him to every job Urban has been at. Things like that don't typically happen in regular companies.

With respect to him going down for this, he has done a lot of shady shit over the years, if this is what takes him down, I say fuck him.

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