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Coulter on the Bailout Cause and Effect
« on: September 25, 2008, 06:04:18 PM »
I've been trying to get a handle on this massive bailout shit-uation that we're in as a nation and have yet to come to some firm conclusions myself since my instincts as a conservative tell me that the Paulson plan is un-American because so much authority and public funds are put into the hands of one, un-elected individual for disposal.  Yet seeing the effects of the credit situation so quickly halting, cancelling, or deferring many of the construction projects my own company had booked for next year makes me think that taking on this added public debt is something that must happen to release credit to sound credit risks in order to prevent a further slowing of the economy (or even a real recession).

Ann Coulter issued a great article today which succinctly explains how we got here and lays the blame squarely on the correct people.  As a qualifier, you probably know I am a conservative Republican but I have been known to be critical of my own party and candidate (e. g. immigracion reform, anthropogenic global warming, etc.) in this very forum.  I'm not, as talk-show host Michael Savage put's it, someone who believes "Republican-good, Democrat-bad"; a Bush-bot.

But, of course, we all know that it's Bush's fault anyway.

This article also explains away the rationale for linking McCain to this financial crisis by linking him, again, to his connection with the Keating Five (the S & L scandal about 20 years ago; McCain was exonerated).

Also, at the risk of trying to avert moderation but perhaps causing it, I should forewarn you that there MAY be what could be construed as a racist statement in this article.

This is from WorldNetDaily, as usual, all emphasis is my own:

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They gave your mortgage to a less qualified minority
Posted: September 24, 2008

On MSNBC this week, Newsweek's Jonathan Alter tried to connect John McCain to the current financial disaster, saying: "If you remember the Keating Five scandal that (McCain) was a part of ... He's really getting a free ride on the fact that he was in the middle of the last great financial scandal in our country."

McCain was "in the middle of" the Keating Five case in the sense that he was "exonerated."  The lawyer for the Senate Ethics Committee wanted McCain removed from the investigation altogether, but, as the New York Times reported: "Sen. McCain was the only Republican embroiled in the affair, and Democrats on the panel would not release him."

So John McCain has been held hostage by both the Viet Cong and the Democrats.

Alter couldn't be expected to know that: As usual, he was lifting material directly from Kausfiles. What is unusual was that he was stealing a random thought sent in by Kausfiles' mother, who, the day before, had e-mailed: "It's time to bring up the Keating Five. Let McCain explain that scandal away."

The Senate Ethics Committee lawyer who investigated McCain already had explained that scandal away – repeatedly. It was celebrated lawyer Robert Bennett, most famous for defending a certain horny hick president a few years ago.

In February this year, on Fox News' "Hannity and Colmes," Bennett said, for the eight billionth time:

"First, I should tell your listeners I'm a registered Democrat, so I'm not on (McCain's) side of a lot of issues. But I investigated John McCain for a year and a half, at least, when I was special counsel to the Senate Ethics Committee in the Keating Five. ... And if there is one thing I am absolutely confident of, it is John McCain is an honest man. I recommended to the Senate Ethics Committee that he be cut out of the case, that there was no evidence against him."

It's bad enough for Alter to be constantly ripping off Kausfiles. Now he's so devoid of his own ideas, he's ripping off the idle musings of Kausfiles' mother.

Even if McCain had been implicated in the Keating Five scandal – and he wasn't – that would still have absolutely nothing to do with the sub-prime mortgage crisis currently roiling the financial markets. This crisis was caused by political correctness being forced on the mortgage lending industry in the Clinton era.

Before the Democrats' affirmative-action lending policies became an embarrassment, the Los Angeles Times reported that, starting in 1992, a majority-Democratic Congress "mandated that Fannie and Freddie increase their purchases of mortgages for low-income and medium-income borrowers. Operating under that requirement, Fannie Mae, in particular, has been aggressive and creative in stimulating minority gains."

Under Clinton, the entire federal government put massive pressure on banks to grant more mortgages to the poor and minorities. Clinton's secretary of housing and urban development, Andrew Cuomo, investigated Fannie Mae for racial discrimination and proposed that 50 percent of Fannie Mae's and Freddie Mac's portfolio be made up of loans to low- to moderate-income borrowers by the year 2001.

Instead of looking at "outdated criteria," such as the mortgage applicant's credit history and ability to make a down payment, banks were encouraged to consider nontraditional measures of credit-worthiness, such as having a good jump shot or having a missing child named "Caylee."

Threatening lawsuits, Clinton's Federal Reserve demanded that banks treat welfare payments and unemployment benefits as valid income sources to qualify for a mortgage. That isn't a joke – it's a fact.

When Democrats controlled both the executive and legislative branches, political correctness was given a veto over sound business practices.

In 1999, liberals were bragging about extending affirmative action to the financial sector. Los Angeles Times reporter Ron Brownstein hailed the Clinton administration's affirmative-action lending policies as one of the "hidden success stories" of the Clinton administration, saying that "black and Latino homeownership has surged to the highest level ever recorded."

Meanwhile, economists were screaming from the rooftops that the Democrats were forcing mortgage lenders to issue loans that would fail the moment the housing market slowed and deadbeat borrowers couldn't get out of their loans by selling their houses.

A decade later, the housing bubble burst and, as predicted, food-stamp-backed mortgages collapsed. Democrats set an affirmative-action time bomb, and now it's gone off.

In Bush's first year in office, the White House chief economist, N. Gregory Mankiw, warned that the government's "implicit subsidy" of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, combined with loans to unqualified borrowers, was creating a huge risk for the entire financial system.

Rep. Barney Frank denounced Mankiw, saying he had no "concern about housing." How dare you oppose suicidal loans to people who can't repay them! The New York Times reported that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were "under heavy assault by the Republicans," but these entities still had "important political allies" in the Democrats.

Now, at a cost of hundreds of billions of dollars, middle-class taxpayers are going to be forced to bail out the Democrats' two most important constituent groups: rich Wall Street bankers and welfare recipients.

Political correctness had already ruined education, sports, science and entertainment. But it took a Democratic president with a Democratic Congress for political correctness to wreck the financial industry.

Well said Ann.

Here's the link:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76160

 
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Re: Coulter on the Bailout Cause and Effect
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2008, 06:48:49 PM »
Neal Boortz (a local talk-show host here in Atlanta who really enjoys telling you how great it is to be him) had some admittedly great observations echoing Coulter today.  These are some key excerpts of his otherwise bombastic article about how knowledgeable he is regarding real estate:

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If you start reading a bit further to enhance your understanding you run into terms like Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS) and credit-default swaps, whatever in the world those are. Read further and you find out that a combination of falling home prices and mortgage defaults have put many investment banks and other financial institutions in deep puddin’. All this reading, all this watching the talking heads on TV, and you still don’t really know what in the world is going on here.
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we all know that a lot of really bad real estate loans were made. The political class would sure love for us to believe that the blame here rests squarely on “greedy” (try to define that word) mortgage brokers and lenders. The truth is that most of the blame rests on political meddling in the credit decisions of these mortgage lenders.
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Frankly, the claims that evil mortgage lenders were systematically denying loans to blacks and other minorities were a lot sexier on the radio than my claims that when credit histories, job stability, loan-to-value ratios and income levels were considered there was no evident racial discrimination.
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Political correctness won the day. Washington made it clear to banks and other lending institutions that if they did not do something .. and fast .. to bring more minorities and low-income Americans into the world of home ownership there would be a heavy price to pay. Congress set up processes (Research the Community Redevelopment Act) whereby community activist groups and organizers could effectively stop a bank’s efforts to grow if that bank didn’t make loans to unqualified borrowers. Enter, stage left, the “subprime” mortgage. These lenders knew that a very high percentage of these loans would turn to garbage – but it was a price that had to be paid if the bank was to expand and grow. We should note that among the community groups browbeating banks into making these bad loans was an outfit called ACORN. There is one certain presidential candidate that did a lot of community organizing for ACORN. I won’t mention his name so as to avoid politicizing this column.

These garbage loans to unqualified borrowers were then bundled up and sold. The expectation was that the loans would be eventually paid off when rising home values led some borrowers to access their equity through re-financing and others to sell and move on up the ladder.
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Right now this crisis is being sold to the American public by the left as evidence the failure of the free market and capitalism. Not so. What we’re seeing is the inevitable result of political interference in free market economics.
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Here's the entire article if you want to read it:

http://townhall.com/columnists/NealBoortz/2008/09/19/the_rest_of_the_meltdown_story

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Re: Coulter on the Bailout Cause and Effect
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2008, 11:21:05 PM »
The only logical solution to this is low interest long term loans to these failing companies.  Along with this, do away with all of these gomet regulations on lending money to deadbeats and bring sensible business practices (aka "free market" forces) back into the industry.  This would enable those of us with integrity and a sense of responsibility to take advantage of low interest refi opportunities.  That in itself could cause a bit of a mini-boom in the lending industry and a potential recovery of the housing market.  A "bailout" like this may take a little longer to resolve the current situation, but you'd almost guarantee repayment.  Everything else that I've heard is pretty much Socialism to some degree. 
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Re: Coulter on the Bailout Cause and Effect
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2008, 11:34:22 PM »
I have a question...

How is this whole mess going to affect people like me? 

I have no debt except for a mortgage (which I pay every month, on time), a second mortgage (which I am paying off ahead of schedule) and a small car loan (again, paying off ahead of schedule.)  I am putting more money than I ever have into retirement savings in a medium risk mutual fund at the moment and I have low five figures that I keep liquid for "emergencies". 

Am I going to really be hurt by this crap?
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Re: Coulter on the Bailout Cause and Effect
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2008, 12:01:37 AM »
I have a question...

How is this whole mess going to affect people like me? 

I have no debt except for a mortgage (which I pay every month, on time), a second mortgage (which I am paying off ahead of schedule) and a small car loan (again, paying off ahead of schedule.)  I am putting more money than I ever have into retirement savings in a medium risk mutual fund at the moment and I have low five figures that I keep liquid for "emergencies". 

Am I going to really be hurt by this crap?

Not really...  yet.  It's just another government social program that will result in additional excessive government spending, no matter how they spin the h-funds scheme.  Who will logically invest in h-funds on bad debt?  Not me!  Not anybody with any sense.  Today, they'll claim that the math will work out, but we all know the gomet duz math gudr thanz we kan.  The increased deficits will eventually be used by the D'crats to justify more tax increases across the board, and they'll just use that money for even more degenerate social spending programs.  The almighty gomet knows best... 

I still say that we should let these banks fail.  This situation has created a great opportunity for many of the smaller and more successful institutions to grow.  These companies would eventually take the place of these ailing companies, and the markets would eventually correct itself as long as the gomet stays out of it. 
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Re: Coulter on the Bailout Cause and Effect
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2008, 12:04:33 AM »
Oh, yeah, one other thing.  My money is in a small local bank that has three branches.  I started using them when Compass Bank started giving me shitty customer service. 

My mortgage and second mortgage are with Regions.  Any concerns there? 
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Re: Coulter on the Bailout Cause and Effect
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2008, 02:57:27 AM »
I have a question, My 401k is losing more money than I'm putting in.  :blink: I have it set up in 88% stocks and 12% bonds, what would be the best way for me to stop the bleeding?
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Re: Coulter on the Bailout Cause and Effect
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2008, 04:31:38 AM »
I have a question, My 401k is losing more money than I'm putting in.  :blink: I have it set up in 88% stocks and 12% bonds, what would be the best way for me to stop the bleeding?

Keep pumping money into those stocks.  Now is the time to be buying. 
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Re: Coulter on the Bailout Cause and Effect
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2008, 08:16:41 AM »
Keep pumping money into those stocks.  Now is the time to be buying. 

 :clap:


There is going to be pain no matter what happens as far as the bailout.  I gotta believe that taking it on the chin right now (not bailing these irresponsible people out) will be better than slapping a billion dollar band aid on it that creates more long term debt.
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Re: Coulter on the Bailout Cause and Effect
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2008, 09:29:23 AM »
I have a question, My 401k is losing more money than I'm putting in.  :blink: I have it set up in 88% stocks and 12% bonds, what would be the best way for me to stop the bleeding?
Are you about to cash out?  No.  So, it is actually in your best interest for the cost to decrease, so you actually are buying more shares per dollar.  By the time you go sell them in 30+ years, you will appreciate the extra shares you were able to buy back in 08.  Your 401k is long-term - don't fret about short-term fluctuations.
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Re: Coulter on the Bailout Cause and Effect
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2008, 04:38:23 PM »
Keep pumping money into those stocks.  Now is the time to be buying. 

Good advice IMO. 

Jumbo: remember this, if you are years away from retirement, like I am, right now, you are taking a hit, but you are also buying stock low.  As Warren Buffet says "Buy Low, Sell High".  The market will recover and what you have bought low, will sell for a much higher price in the future.  Also what DnATL said, sorry I didn't read it before I had all this typed out.

Saniflush: I agree totally with what you are saying, the more I read up on this the more I believe that we should go ahead and "take our lumps", and wait a few years for the market to straighten itself back out.
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Re: Coulter on the Bailout Cause and Effect
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2008, 04:40:08 PM »
I have a question, My 401k is losing more money than I'm putting in.  :blink: I have it set up in 88% stocks and 12% bonds, what would be the best way for me to stop the bleeding?

Buy gold...and bury it in the back yard.
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The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
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-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

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Re: Coulter on the Bailout Cause and Effect
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2008, 04:58:32 PM »
I have a question...

How is this whole mess going to affect people like me? 

I have no debt except for a mortgage (which I pay every month, on time), a second mortgage (which I am paying off ahead of schedule) and a small car loan (again, paying off ahead of schedule.)  I am putting more money than I ever have into retirement savings in a medium risk mutual fund at the moment and I have low five figures that I keep liquid for "emergencies". 

Am I going to really be hurt by this crap?

Short term it could drag down what your home is worth (along with everyone else's); the real estate situation will recover eventually just like the stock market but, as GarMan and others indicate, we'll have to tough it out for a while.  Keep saving as much as you can too; that's always good advise.


Commodities (gold-see my previous half-joking post) and stock market investing aside my real concern in this whole damn situation is the hits that the US Dollar keeps taking.  The US Dollar is THE TOP global reserve currency today but I am really worried about the effects these financial crises are having on it; since we left the hard currency standard, the ONLY thing backing up the dollar is the good faith and credit of the United States (which means us taxpayers).  That good faith and credit is being stretched to the limit from my perspective but I, admittedly, still don't have a full understanding of the scope and impact of this latest 700 billion dollar boondoggle which will balloon into more than a trillion if it passes along with the previous commitments that our government has made.  It's scary but I suppose when it's all said and done I still have faith in "that shining city on a hill" as Reagan called America.
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The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
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The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Coulter on the Bailout Cause and Effect
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2008, 05:21:46 PM »
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my real concern in this whole damn situation is the hits that the US Dollar keeps taking. The US Dollar is THE TOP global reserve currency today but I am really worried about the effects these financial crises are having on it;
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This kind of shit touches on exactly what I am talking about regarding the strength of the dollar...

From the Financial Times...all emphasis is my own:

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US ‘will lose financial superpower status’
By Bertrand Benoit in Berlin

Published: September 25 2008 11:55 | Last updated: September 25 2008 20:28

The US will lose its role as a global financial “superpower” in the wake of the financial crisis, Peer Steinbrück, the German finance minister, said on Thursday, blaming Washington for failing to take the regulatory steps that might have averted the crisis.

“The US will lose its status as the superpower of the world financial system. This world will become multi­polar” with the emergence of stronger, better capitalised centres in Asia and Europe, Mr Steinbrück told the German parliament. “The world will never be the same again.”

His were the most out­spoken comments by a senior European government figure since Wall Street fell into chaos two weeks ago.

He later told journalists: “When we look back 10 years from now, we will see 2008 as a fundamental rupture. I am not saying the dollar will lose its reserve currency status, but it will become relative.”

The minister, who has spearheaded German efforts to rein in financial markets in the past two years, attacked the US government for opposing stricter regulations even after the subprime crisis had broken out last summer.

The US notion that markets should remain as free as possible from regulatory shackles “was as simplistic as it was dangerous”, he said.

But Mr Steinbrück had warm words for the US’s crisis management in the past fortnight, including the government’s planned $700bn rescue package for the financial sector. Washington, he said, had earned credit for acting not just in the US interest but also in the interest of other nations.

Yet he repeated Germany’s refusal to mount a similar rescue operation using taxpayers’ money to acquire toxic assets. “This crisis originated in the US and is mainly hitting the US,” he said. In Europe and Germany, such a package would be “neither sensible nor ­necessary”.

The US, Mr Steinbrück said, had failed in its oversight of investment banks, adding that the crisis was an indictment of the US two-tier banking system and its “weak, divided financial oversight”.

He blamed Washington for refusing to consider proposals Berlin had made as it chaired the Group of Eight industrial nations last year. These proposals, he said, “elicited mockery at best or were seen as a typical example of Germans’ penchant for over-regulation”.

His comments followed calls this week by Nicolas Sarkozy, the French president and current holder of the European Union presidency, for an emergency G8 meeting on the crisis.

Mr Steinbrück’s proposals include a ban on “purely speculative short selling”; a crackdown on variable pay for bank managers, which had encouraged reckless risk-taking; a ban on banks securitising more than 80 per cent of the debt they hold; international standards making bank managers personally responsible for the consequences of their trades; and increased co-operation between European super­visors.

Following a meeting with Christine Lagarde, his French counterpart, in Berlin, he said France and Germany would set up a working group of treasury, central bank and supervisory authority officials that would consider tougher regulation of short selling.

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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1d6a4f3a-8aee-11dd-b634-0000779fd18c.html
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-Ayn Rand

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
-The Right Honourable Margaret Thatcher

The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
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Re: Coulter on the Bailout Cause and Effect
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2008, 06:20:59 AM »
Good advice IMO. 

Jumbo: remember this, if you are years away from retirement, like I am, right now, you are taking a hit, but you are also buying stock low.  As Warren Buffet says "Buy Low, Sell High".  The market will recover and what you have bought low, will sell for a much higher price in the future.  Also what DnATL said, sorry I didn't read it before I had all this typed out.

Research the concept of "dollar cost averaging".  As long as you continue to invest the same amount periodically (like every paycheck) into the same investments, you'll be purchasing a greater number of shares when the price is low.  As the markets begin to recover and the value of this investment increases, you're gain would be more significant. 

It's a slightly different situation when you're not periodically investing like with a 401k.  If it's a purchase and hold scenario, I would research the health and ratings on those investments and consider your options carefully.  In my personal portfolios, I'm still sitting on majority cash, but I should be in a bond fund at a minimum.  I have managed to catch a couple of these recent swings in the market with some short term buy/sell opportunities.  I'm also still sitting in a mutual fund that's taken some significant hits with the market, but because I purchased these things back in 2001/2002, they're current value is still 50% greater than my original investment.  The current price per share is actually lower than it's ever been, but I essentially took advantage of "dollar cost averaging" by requesting dividend reinvestments.  Today, I own more shares of this mutual fund than I had originally purchased, and even though the current share price is lower than my original purchase price, the total value of the investment is 50-55% greater than my original investment.  So, I'm riding it out. 
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Re: Coulter on the Bailout Cause and Effect
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2008, 11:18:36 PM »
Commodities (gold-see my previous half-joking post) and stock market investing aside my real concern in this whole damn situation is the hits that the US Dollar keeps taking.  The US Dollar is THE TOP global reserve currency today but I am really worried about the effects these financial crises are having on it; since we left the hard currency standard, the ONLY thing backing up the dollar is the good faith and credit of the United States (which means us taxpayers).  That good faith and credit is being stretched to the limit from my perspective but I, admittedly, still don't have a full understanding of the scope and impact of this latest 700 billion dollar boondoggle which will balloon into more than a trillion if it passes along with the previous commitments that our government has made.  It's scary but I suppose when it's all said and done I still have faith in "that shining city on a hill" as Reagan called America.

Actually, I'm not sure what's going on with the USD compared to other currencies.  It seems that in recent months, it's been doing just the opposite of what the news media has been reporting.  (Go figure...)  Back in June when I started working in Europe, the exchange rate was nearly 1.6 USD to 1 EUR.  This month when I returned to Europe, the transfer rate is more like 1.45 USD to 1 EUR.  Similar is true with Czech and Polish currencies.  I'm thinking that the media has just been reporting what the D'craps have been saying without verifying for themselves.  (I guess they don't have time to research and verify those silly facts...  They must be preoccupied with kissing up to The Obama and looking for dirt on Palin.)  According to most of the historic charts that I've seen, the USD has been stronger in September than it's been all year. 
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Re: Coulter on the Bailout Cause and Effect
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2008, 04:51:30 PM »
Actually, I'm not sure what's going on with the USD compared to other currencies.  It seems that in recent months, it's been doing just the opposite of what the news media has been reporting.  (Go figure...)  Back in June when I started working in Europe, the exchange rate was nearly 1.6 USD to 1 EUR.  This month when I returned to Europe, the transfer rate is more like 1.45 USD to 1 EUR.  Similar is true with Czech and Polish currencies.  I'm thinking that the media has just been reporting what the D'craps have been saying without verifying for themselves.  (I guess they don't have time to research and verify those silly facts...  They must be preoccupied with kissing up to The Obama and looking for dirt on Palin.)  According to most of the historic charts that I've seen, the USD has been stronger in September than it's been all year. 

I was watching CNBC (Maria Bartiromo, Larry Kudlow, et. al.) yesterday after the Bailout Bill went down in flames and one of the few items in green was the USD against the EURO and other currencies.  They were even making a statement at one point how inexplicable it was to see the USD up for a change despite the turmoil on Wall Street.  I was also pleased to see that Oil is going down.  (And precious metals were all up...BUY GOLD!)

I watched that damn speech by Her Highness, Madam Speaker Pelosi prior to the vote on the bill...what a fucking bitch she was (and is); after all the talk about bi-partisan working she made a real ass of herself making that viciously partisan speech.  She is not a leader.
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Re: Coulter on the Bailout Cause and Effect
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2008, 05:10:44 PM »
Actually, I'm not sure what's going on with the USD compared to other currencies.  It seems that in recent months, it's been doing just the opposite of what the news media has been reporting.  (Go figure...)  Back in June when I started working in Europe, the exchange rate was nearly 1.6 USD to 1 EUR.  This month when I returned to Europe, the transfer rate is more like 1.45 USD to 1 EUR.  Similar is true with Czech and Polish currencies.  I'm thinking that the media has just been reporting what the D'craps have been saying without verifying for themselves.  (I guess they don't have time to research and verify those silly facts...  They must be preoccupied with kissing up to The Obama and looking for dirt on Palin.)  According to most of the historic charts that I've seen, the USD has been stronger in September than it's been all year. 

And here's some interesting news on the USD today; where's this kind of reporting been in the media?

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Dollar surges vs. rivals on rescue-plan hopes
Euro plummets on mounting European banking woes


By William L. Watts, Polya Lesova & Lisa Twaronite, MarketWatch
Last update: 2:24 p.m. EDT Sept. 30, 2008

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- The U.S. dollar held its gains after rallying against major currencies Tuesday, as mounting woes in the European banking sector battered the euro, while the greenback was boosted by hopes that the proposed $700 billion rescue package for the U.S. financial sector may be passed soon in some form.

The dollar index ($DXY) , which measures the U.S. unit against a basket of major currencies, soared as high as 79.694, and was last trading up more than 2.5% at 79.457. The index stood at 77.450 in North American trade late Monday.
The index was on track to post a year-to-date gain of 3.7% and a gain of 3.1% for September.

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Mounting problems in Europe's banking sector weighed heavily on the euro Tuesday, which was last buying $1.4070.
The euro tumbled more than 2.0% against the dollar to trade as low as $1.4008 at one point, compared with $1.4477 late Monday. Its drop Tuesday was the biggest against its U.S. counterpart since the united European unit began trading in January, 1999, according to FactSet data.  The British pound slipped to $1.7789 Tuesday, from $1.8147 late Monday.

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Of course the reporter claims that the reason the dollar is up is due to the hope that the $700 billion rescue bill might be passed soon in some form however later in the story we get to the REAL REASON that the USD is up:

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Demand for U.S. T-bills and other safe-haven instruments have helped underpin the dollar, despite the fact the U.S. is the epicenter of the financial crisis, said strategists at Commerzbank.

Here's the full story for those interested:

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/dollar-surges-vs-major-counterparts/story.aspx?guid=%7bE6984FFC-A3B3-4082-B256-45261F8F468C%7d&dist=msr_15&print=true&dist=printMidSection
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Re: Coulter on the Bailout Cause and Effect
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2008, 05:34:29 PM »
Oh, yeah, one other thing.  My money is in a small local bank that has three branches.  I started using them when Compass Bank started giving me shitty customer service. 

My mortgage and second mortgage are with Regions.  Any concerns there? 
actually, you should be better off with a smaller bank. even though Regions is a regional bank and i think stocks on them were down 40% yesterday, the regional banks haven't been hit as hard, but have taken a hit. the smaller banks such as Visions Bank, etc, you could probably say are almost unaffected. even if a bank such as Regions collapsed, the FDIC would more than likely be forced to assist some other bank in absorbing them due to their size, similar to what happened between Wachovia and Citi.

just a couple of opinions:

that article on the first page is dead on. all of this shit started all the way back at the Clinton administration. i'm not happy about the bailout anymore than the next person, but the government created this situation. if the government can use my money to fix their fuckup, then i should be allowed to use the government's money to pay off my mortgage if i default.

the whole thing just aggrivates me. there really is no right answer i don't think. if Pelosi would have shut her cock receptacle the bailout would have passed. either way we're in deep shit. if we don't bail them out, then everything is going to go to shit and we will probably be right back in this same spot 10-20 years from now when a new bunch of people that never should have gotten a loan default on their mortgages. if we do bail them out then we have to hope and pray and wish that this will fix the economy. after this cluster, do you really think banks are going to be all that anxious to lend money? do you really think they won't hoard cash?

not to mention that flooding the market with $700 billion dollars is going to put the dollar in the shitter vs. foreign economy. you can't just print out $700 billion, throw it at people, and expect the dollar to still be going strong. its held up better than most have thought it would up until this point, but if the bailout goes through it will go to shit. i think its so strong right now because the bailout HASN'T passed.

either way, we're going to be fucked. its just a matter of how bad, how long, and when. i say let it work itself out, personally. in the long run that will probably be the best thing.
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