Saban Fatigue/Fed Up?

[AUChizad]

I'm upset bama got in this year, but at the same time I'm not sure who should have gone over them. Ohio State wasn't deserving, Wisconsin I feel bad for, but win your game and you are in.  Much like us had we won we were in.

I hear a lot of people say that, but why?

Every team that ended up getting in had a loss. Clemson's was Syracuse. That's a bad loss and they were #1. Oklahoma lost to Iowa State. That's a bad loss. Georgia's only quality win really was Notre Dame. The only other ranked opponent they beat was Mississippi State. Bama's best wins were State, LSU (who lost to Notre Dame in the bowl), & I guess FSU who ended up terrible and barely eligible to play in their shitty bowl against Southern Miss.

Ohio State, yeah, had a bad loss against Iowa, but their other loss was to Oklahoma. Then they won their conference against Wisconsin who otherwise was undefeated, which absolutely should count more than sitting at home. What if Wisconsin instead dropped a game earlier in the season to Penn State and missed the championship entirely? Would they still be less deserving than Bama then?

Ohio State + Wisconsin + Penn State were arguably at least as strong of a top of the conference as Bama + Georgia + Auburn, IMO. After Wisconsin won their, in my opinion, tougher conference, they slaughtered the Pac 10 champion USC in their bowl game, validating why no one really made any kind of argument that any of the Pac 10 should have been represented this year. And the Big 10 went 7-1 in their bowl season, including wins from all three of the teams previously mentioned. SEC had a 4-5 losing record.

I'm just sayin', conference championships are supposed to matter, and in my opinion, they should. Ohio State got robbed.

Why should they matter? Because they are defacto a fair and equitable playoff in and of themselves, where the champion fairly "won".

[Kaos]

More alcohol is not going to do you already damaged liver any favors. You need a better therapist.

As for who should get in all that...there's a problem if you make it automatic for conference champs. Say we get a year when Texas A&M goes 12-0 and wins the West and Tennessee wins the East with an 8-4 record. By some stroke of the Jimbo, UT returns a pick six in the closing minutes and wins the SEC CG. Now we have a 9-4 team in a field of 12-1, 13-0 playoff teams. You just handed someone an easier game in the first round.

Side note, that's exactly what happened this year. When Bama was lined up against Clemson, it gave them the best chance to make it to a "historic sixth appearance in the BCS/CFP era" title game because they knew the opponent so well. At least Georgia (I hate a Dawg!) had to go out west and solve the riddle of Baker Mayfield.

Is it wrong to root for a meteor shower in Atlanta Monday?

Tennessee getting in for winning the SEC-CG on a last minute pick six would bother me a metric ton less than Bama being picked “just cause Bama”

Truth told I’d embrace it.

[AUChizad]

Tennessee getting in for winning the SEC-CG on a last minute pick six would bother me a metric ton less than Bama being picked “just cause Bama”

Truth told I’d embrace it.

Exactly. I understand the mentality of "I don't PERCEIVE them to be the toughest team possible to put in the playoff", but I don't think that's the best and fairest way to choose a champion. If you win your conference, I don't care how you do it, you proved on the field you were the superior team when it mattered, as UGA proved against us this year, unfortunately.

[Kaos]

Exactly. I understand the mentality of "I don't PERCEIVE them to be the toughest team possible to put in the playoff", but I don't think that's the best and fairest way to choose a champion. If you win your conference, I don't care how you do it, you proved on the field you were the superior team when it mattered, as UGA proved against us this year, unfortunately.

Yep.  It’s either a playoff and conference titles trump not being in the conference title game or it’s just a popularity contest and the title games should be abolished. Having the opportunity to be “national champion” without even winning your division, much less the conference  is outrageous.  No other team would get that preferential treatment other than Bama.  If our only loss was to UA and they’d lost to Georgia in the SEC CG do you think we’d have gotten a playoff sniff?

For us, the title game was a disqualifier.  Without title games it would have been us, Clemson, Okie and Wisconsin. 

If you have a chance to play in the title game I’d say just decline the invite to play in the title game since it can only hurt you. 

[Token]

  If you have a chance to play in the title game I’d say just decline the invite to play in the title game since it can only hurt you.

I get what you are saying but it isn't entirely true.  It helped UGA.

[Snaggletiger]

Exactly. I understand the mentality of "I don't PERCEIVE them to be the toughest team possible to put in the playoff", but I don't think that's the best and fairest way to choose a champion. If you win your conference, I don't care how you do it, you proved on the field you were the superior team when it mattered, as UGA proved against us this year, unfortunately.

The hypothetical was, what if an 8-4 Tennessee team has everything go their way on that particular day and they squeak out a win against a 12-0 team?  By your scenario, the previous 12 games mean nothing.  And as far as Georgia proving it....which game did they prove it in?  Oh, and Fuck Georgia! 

 

[AUChizad]

The hypothetical was, what if an 8-4 Tennessee team has everything go their way on that particular day and they squeak out a win against a 12-0 team?  By your scenario, the previous 12 games mean nothing.  And as far as Georgia proving it....which game did they prove it in?  Oh, and Fuck Georgia! 

 

If that 8-4 Tennessee team had the best record in their division, the previous 12 games absolutely meant something. It's how they were able to get there.

You're too married to this subjective idea of the "best" team to see  why merit should be more important and is actually more fair and equitable.

[WiregrassTiger]

If that 8-4 Tennessee team had the best record in their division, the previous 12 games absolutely meant something. It's how they were able to get there.

You're too married to this subjective idea of the "best" team to see  why merit should be more important and is actually more fair and equitable.

This is not who I thought he was married to.

Maybe I’ve been trying to hide things all of this time for no reason.

[RWS]

Shut the fuck up.

Also, UCF had as many quality wins as Bama did this year both before the New Years Six bowl and today.

UCF had a weaker strength of schedule than Alabama.  You can argue that all you want, but you would be wrong.  Obviously they're a good team.  There's no arguing that.  I simply believe that had they played an SEC schedule, they wouldn't have been undefeated.  While they beat Auburn, I don't believe that they are really the better team of the two.  Just because you play a weak schedule, or maybe you have some losses but  won the championship game in your conference, doesn't mean you automatically belong in the playoffs in my opinion.  Why do the games before that not count?

[Kaos]

I get what you are saying but it isn't entirely true.  It helped UGA.

Only because they weren't in without it.  Auburn was.

So fuck Georgia.

[Snaggletiger]

If that 8-4 Tennessee team had the best record in their division, the previous 12 games absolutely meant something. It's how they were able to get there.

You're too married to this subjective idea of the "best" team to see  why merit should be more important and is actually more fair and equitable.

So, if nobody in that division were above .500 and they finished 8-4, is your argument the same?

[AUChizad]

So, if nobody in that division were above .500 and they finished 8-4, is your argument the same?

Would mean that division has string parity.

[Snaggletiger]

Would mean that division has string parity.

Would mean you and me need to do a bong hit or two to hash this theory out.   

[WiregrassTiger]

Would mean that division has string parity.

I’ve got a string thong.

How silly of me, you’ve seen it numerous times.

[AUChizad]

*Strong parity

Autocorrect is an asshole.

[Snaggletiger]

*Strong parity

Autocorrect is an asshole.

My previous post stands.

[WiregrassTiger]

*Strong parity

Autocorrect is an asshole.

You were thinking about my thong, weren’t you?

[Godfather]

I'm with Snags on the 12-0 thing vs 8-4 anyone can rise up on a particular day and beat anyone else, sometimes you just have a bad game. 

What if I said Auburn were to go 12-0 in the SEC and an 8-4 team got into the playoffs because they beat us in the title game your head would explode....my head would explode.  Everyone is upset because it's bama.  I'm upset because it's bama and it is bullshit and fucked up. But call a spade a spade. This really wasn't surprising Ohio State got in last year after Penn State won the Conf. Championship.  There is no argument to decided if Wisconsin is more deserving, or Ohio State than bama. 

You guys don't realize that it has always been a popularity contest.

[The Six]

It's always been a popularity contest. And it's why D1 football has often crowned a team when another (or several) were just as deserving. But whatever. Going to see The Disaster Artist tonight and ignore all forms of information about this game.

[jmar]

I still haven't gotten past last year.
We lost to the worst Georgia team I've seen in fifty years. FIFTY!
And they beat us again and made it to the NCG. Sickening.