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Re: Sexual assault
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2017, 03:36:58 PM »
I think the overall climate has changed (Not global warming) in that people in general are looking for an excuse to be "offended".  Many of the things K listed weren't considered sexual assault even 7-8 years ago, but now, just about anything seems to qualify.  And to take that a step further, many of these accusations are from alleged incidents that occurred 10-20 years ago.  One report out now is that some obscure country singer was "assaulted" by the record producer or some big wig that controlled his career.  "Suck my dick or you'll never be anybody".  What?  Okay, I will.

"Now, let me suck your dick or I'll ruin your career".  What?  Okay, you can.  And all this happened over a decade ago.  Now, it's sexual assault.
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Re: Sexual assault
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2017, 03:39:45 PM »
Depends.

Are these real instances?

Because if they are.....

I'm gonna need more juicy details.

Yeah.  Some of them are. 

My wife who was killed in a car wreck was dating somebody when I met her.  For me, though?  It was like being hit in the head with a sledgehammer.  I was lovestruck like I haven't been before or since.  The very first time I saw her I told her to leave her boyfriend and run away with me.  She said no -- but I knew she felt it too.  And I kept on.  I MAY have even semi-stalked her.  It wasn't an accident that I ran into her at several different places and asked her to go have lunch, a drink, dinner, every time I did.  Until one night when I pulled up beside her while she was getting gas and asked again.  She said yes, she didn't go home until 3 am and I married her less than six months later. 

I went through a random spell in my 20s where I'd just straight up ask if there was going to be fucking later
during an introductory conversation.  Saved time.  Some seemed offended.  Others didn't. Some thought I was kidding. Definitely broke the ice. It worked often enough that there was no reason not to do it since I wasn't really fishing for a girlfriend. 

Who hasn't told off-color jokes?  Really? 

Who hasn't swatted a flirty Hooter's ass? Really?

I never met Olivia Munn and I don't make movies, but I have met at least two people -- maybe three -- I had seen rawly naked in movies and in which I may have had a leering interest.  One was very friendly and very touchy even in a public situation and I might possibly have had trouble blocking the images of her naked on-screen cavortations from my mind.  Maybe.
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Re: Sexual assault
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2017, 04:12:52 PM »
I think the overall climate has changed (Not global warming) in that people in general are looking for an excuse to be "offended".  Many of the things K listed weren't considered sexual assault even 7-8 years ago, but now, just about anything seems to qualify.  And to take that a step further, many of these accusations are from alleged incidents that occurred 10-20 years ago.  One report out now is that some obscure country singer was "assaulted" by the record producer or some big wig that controlled his career.  "Suck my dick or you'll never be anybody".  What?  Okay, I will.

"Now, let me suck your dick or I'll ruin your career".  What?  Okay, you can.  And all this happened over a decade ago.  Now, it's sexual assault.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-31/welcome-offended-states-america

If you know something is going to upset you, why would you deliberately put yourself in a situation in which you will be angered, saddened, or hurt? There’s no other answer except that you actually want to be offended.

Why would you go to George Washington’s church if you’re offended by George Washington? Why would you attend the university founded by Thomas Jefferson if you are offended by Thomas Jefferson?

Why do we live in a world in which the offended people get to make the rules when they deliberately propel themselves into places that are certain to offend them? It’s so blatant of late that I am positive they’re doing it on purpose. We no longer live in the United States of America. We live in the Offended States of America.

Take George Washington. Wait – I didn’t mean that literally!

I’ve never seen anything so ridiculous in my life as the historic church founded by George Washington taking down the memorial of George Washington. I was gobsmacked.

“The plaques in our sanctuary make some in our presence feel unsafe or unwelcome,” the church leaders said, according to The Washington Times. “Some visitors and guests who worship with us choose not to return because they receive an unintended message from the prominent presence of the plaques.” (source)

Even the Google listing promotes the history of the church.



And it isn’t like people have no option but to attend Christ Church. This is a map of the other Episcopal churches in the area.



By my count, there are 21 different churches of that denomination right there in the Alexandria, Virgina area, so, honestly, I don’t think I’m being outrageous when I suggest that there are multiple options to attend an Episcopalian service in a church that George Washington did not found if one is outraged by the existence of George Washington.

This is even worse than tearing down every last vestige of Southerners who fought in the Civil War. (Here’s why I think that removing Civil War memorials is baloney.) While I don’t think any of those monuments should be removed, at least it makes a smidgeon of sense if they’re in a public place. But these people went to a church famous for its attendance by George Washington and Robert E. Lee and then got mad about it.

This underlines my belief that there are some people who want nothing more than to find something by which they can be offended. They must actually search out a setting and put themselves into it deliberately so that they can share their outrage with the world. This virtue-signaling, politically correct melodrama is a symbol of everything that is wrong with the world. People get attention from their outrage. They become famous amongst the other virtue-signallers who then jump on the Outrage Express about something that had never even crossed their minds before.

Our college campuses are rife with it as students are brainwashed by professors promoting violent sedition into resisting perceived “fascism” with the goal of changing our country into a Communist one. You’re worried about fascism, boys and girls? If you somehow succeeded in your overthrow of the Trump/Pence administration, you’d have it in spades in your ridiculously idealized Commie utopia.

And what about your privilege?

Everyone is cast in either the role of victim or victimizer. They are either the privileged or the downtrodden. In this tunnel-visioned world, men are privileged as long as they aren’t black, and then they’re probably going to prison through no fault of their own. Caucasian people need to check their white privilege, smart people need to check their cognitive privilege, and holy guacamole, according to this article, there are a metric ton of privileges we need to look out for. In case you aren’t sure if you are part of the privileged class or the victim class, here’s a handy list from the article. This way you can identify your privilege and check it.

â—¦Ability: Being able-bodied and without mental disability
â—¦Class: Class can be understood both in terms of economic status and social class, both of which provide privilege. Social class can determine access to opportunities, to participation in politics, and opens up particular educational and vocational doors more easily.
â—¦Education: Access to higher education confers with it a number of privileges as well. Educational privilege opens a number of doors to higher paying careers (which links it to social class privilege).
◦Gender: Male-identified, masculine individuals still hold a level of privilege over people of other genders. Another word for the systemic operation of male privilege is “patriarchy”.
â—¦Gender Identity: While often linked to sexual orientation and gender privilege, this is the privilege that comes with having a gender identity (how one identifies and express oneself in gendered terms) that conforms to the gender identity that was assigned at birth and to societal and cultural expectations of such a gender identity.
â—¦Passing: Passing is the ability to appear to belong to another group. The ability to pass is itself a privilege because it allows an individual to claim the advantages of a more privileged group.
â—¦Racial: In the West, racial privilege is usually equated with white privilege since power, money, and influence tends to be concentrated among Caucasians in Western Europe and North America.
◦Religious: Religious privilege comes with being a member of the dominant religion in a culture – to have one’s own religious practices and observances recognized as the norm.
◦Sexuality: Heterosexual privilege includes the assumption that everyone is heterosexual which forces Queer people to be constantly undergoing a coming out process in their daily lives…Sexuality privilege also includes sexual practices and sexual history – the media often associates a woman’s worth with her sexual history through the hypersexualization of women, but also by relating a girl’s self-worth to her chastity and the public disparagement of women who are sexually active. This links sexuality privilege to gender privilege as well. (source)

Welcome to the Offended States of America

Literally, no one can win because if you win, someone will be offended. We have become a nation where no one is anyone if someone hasn’t offended them.

Personally, I’m offended by the constant barrage of offenses, and this isn’t the first time I’ve written about the outrageous level of outrages.

Words to express our affront are being made up left and right by the mere addition of “ism” to the ends of what were formerly perfectly neutral words. It seems like pundits can take basically any word and add “ism” to the end of it and that means they’re being slighted. The list of isms could go on and on, but instead of promoting more equality, all they’re doing is promoting more division. Isn’t that divisionism?


Personally, I’m affronted by the constant barrage of affronts. When did we, as a nation, become such weenies? How is it that such a collection of whiners has become the vocal majority? Certain people are constantly offended and demand the attention of others so they can express the epic level of their personal offendedness.

 

So vast is the recent level of Great American Butthurt that no mainstream news outlet is complete without breathlessly exposing a secret “ism” each day. These secret “isms” are called “microaggressions,” defined as “the everyday verbal, nonverbal, and environmental slights, snubs, or insults, whether intentional or unintentional, which communicate hostile, derogatory, or negative messages to target persons based solely upon their marginalized group membership.” (source)

Why stop with the Founding Fathers?

Now that we’re taking down all the statues of previous figures in history that offend us, let’s really get on a roll and fix this country. I think we should throw into the wormhole any movie produced by Harvey Weinstein since he was a sexual predator. And anything touched by any of those other people recently accused of being harassers? All of that needs to go, too. Don’t think Hollywood isn’t scrambling before someone demands it. Will that whole industry go down in flames because of the pervs who couldn’t stop raping and fondling women without consent?

I’m not making light of their crimes. Like most women, I’ve been on the receiving end of sexual harassment when I was in the workforce, and it’s horrible. But what I’m saying is, where does it end?

Who has not committed some act that made others feel bad? Should all of their contributions to society, entertainment, or enlightenment be ignored because they did something bad or were even wholly awful people? If something is accepted as common during a specific era, who are we to demonize them centuries later?  Where is the line drawn between people who must be erased from history and people who are foul individuals that still get to have their accomplishments present?

Find me more than a handful of our current politicians who don’t have repugnant secrets, who haven’t abused their power, who haven’t sold out to industries that are willfully poisoning us all to make a buck, or, by golly, erase every vote they have ever cast. Undo the laws that they sponsored. Tar and feather them and remove any mention of them forever. Think about it, we have the freaking William J. Clinton Library and Museum, and he was a serial harasser, womanizer, and cheater. I demand that library be renamed for someone who was perfect…or just be called The Library unless that offends illiterate people. Does this make me a readerist? Please don’t take my books away.

If our nation could be powered by offendedness, we would no longer have a need for fossil fuels. If we could earn money from outrage, we could finally correct that pesky national debt.

But until then, could we please put a lid on it before all we have left is a country completely bereft of history and culture?
   

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Re: Sexual assault
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2017, 05:30:09 PM »
The last time I met up with some on this board (about 5 years or so ago), everyone touched my arm at some point. SEXUAL ASSAULT!!!!!
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Re: Sexual assault
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2017, 06:02:19 PM »
The last time I met up with some on this board (about 5 years or so ago), everyone touched my arm at some point. SEXUAL ASSAULT!!!!!

Damn, Buzz.  Prowler, too?
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Re: Sexual assault
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2017, 06:16:51 PM »


I went through a random spell in my 20s where I'd just straight up ask if there was going to be fudgeing later
during an introductory conversation.  Saved time.

Who hasn't swatted a flirty Hooter's ass? Really?

Oh yes. I remember when first, we met.
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Re: Sexual assault
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2017, 09:01:36 PM »
Damn, Buzz.  Prowler, too?
His arms were bigger than Snaggs'...I couldn't help myself.
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Re: Sexual assault
« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2017, 09:56:06 PM »
The last time I met up with some on this board (about 5 years or so ago), everyone touched my arm at some point. SEXUAL ASSAULT!!!!!

Pushing you away doesn't count.
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Re: Sexual assault
« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2017, 12:00:51 AM »
His arms were bigger than Snaggs'...I couldn't help myself.

Damn it, I was off the juice back then.  Are you coming to the Georgia tailgate?  You can touch my arms there if you want.
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Re: Sexual assault
« Reply #29 on: November 03, 2017, 10:19:38 AM »
The latest actor to be accused of sexual "assault" is Dustin Hoffman.  One actress said he groped her and talked about sex to her while on the set of a movie.  The other is a writer, who said she was pitching a script she wrote and Hoffman asked her to go "clothes shopping" at a nearby hotel.  She refused and claimed her script was turned down.  This was in 1991.

Groping?  Okay, I get that.  He asked/inferred and she refused?   :facepalm:
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Re: Sexual assault
« Reply #30 on: November 03, 2017, 10:21:09 AM »
If asking/inferring and refusal is grounds for a sexual assault case, there are several of you on here that should expect to hear from my caring lawyer soon.
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Re: Sexual assault
« Reply #31 on: November 03, 2017, 10:26:34 AM »
The latest actor to be accused of sexual "assault" is Dustin Hoffman.  One actress said he groped her and talked about sex to her while on the set of a movie.  The other is a writer, who said she was pitching a script she wrote and Hoffman asked her to go "clothes shopping" at a nearby hotel.  She refused and claimed her script was turned down.  This was in 1991.

Groping?  Okay, I get that.  He asked/inferred and she refused?   :facepalm:
You would starve as a male version of Gloria Allred.

What matters is how she felt.
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Re: Sexual assault
« Reply #32 on: November 03, 2017, 12:42:09 PM »
If asking/inferring and refusal is grounds for a sexual assault case, there are several of you on here that should expect to hear from my caring lawyer soon.

After I have a  couple of beers tonight, Mrs. Dallas will prolly need to lawyer up then.
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