Just because you plug your ears and think you don't doesn't mean you don't.
i'm not sure what you are saying. are you saying pow? regardless, my momma told me not to put objects in my ears.
If you eat vegetables at all, you probably do and don't even know it. We import about $5 billion worth every year. And another billion and a half in processed fruits in vegetables. About $2 billion in snack foods. About $3 billion in beer and wine.
i don't doubt consumers will see an increase. it will not be 20 percent at the register even if the 20 percent tariff was imposed. it would be less, much less...and in some cases you wouldn't even blink an eye.
yes, i eat vegtables [and fruit]. i have a choice as to where and when i buy as well as from country of origin. a vast majority of the vegetables and fruits my family consumes are grown in the USA. why? we make choices through CSA's, local farmer markets and local grocery stores that promote USA grown products. we have a vegetable garden. the company I work for has a 4 acre garden for the employees too. in case you forgotten or didn't even know i live in one of the more fertile and diversified agricultural valleys in the USA as well as living not terribly far from the San Joaquin Valley.
i will admit tomato, sweet pepper, eggplant, okra and hot pepper are not as available compared to abundance found in the warm south. the PNW cool weather limits local production to mid July - early September...that is okay. we make a choice not to have BLT's in December...hot house tomatoes from Canada are mealy and lack flavor as well as the forced picked tomatoes from Mexico. citrus...shit is getting real right now from California. summer citrus, no thanks.
strawberries...the best are grown in Oregon and are available from April - the early frost of October. my family has a nice planting of strawberries that keep us fresh from mid-May to late-September. in addition to strawberries...our valley grows peaches, cherries, nectarines, apricots, filberts and so much more that can be eaten fresh or preserved. furthermore, i live 40 miles from the apple state and 80 miles from Hood River...a national Pear growing region in Oregon.
i do enjoy bannas and avacados. we eat a lot of avacados and many of those that we eat do come from California; however, product of Mexico labels have been inside my house. oops...a splurge. have you ever done an avacado exfoliation? importing does allow diversity but again i have a choice. if it is too expensive then i do with out. at some point enough people are going to stop buying it and there will be a surplus driving the price down again from that imposed tax. ching ching eatin' #bananas again.
i would be more concerned about frost, drought, disease and labor strikes driving prices up whether or not it is at home or abroad.
no doubt there are labor concerns and we can discuss that at a different time as well as the exporting portion of the equation. i think the optimism, regarding the fruits of our land, is a resurge in American agriculture not just grain and soybeans.
snack foods?...ummm yeah, whatever.
beer and wine...i'm not going to elborate on this one in much detail...i live, like literally live, in Oregon wine country. have you ever seen a hop farm? i do every day. i will menition i enjoy tequila but i might just start drinking more vodka.
Ford, GM, Walmart, Best Buy are all going to be hit hard with this tax
a lot of what i said above can apply to these trades as well; however, you have valid points. i do firmly believe the 20 percent is a negotiating starting point as other folks have mentioned. i think the hope and goal is to see a resurge in American manufacturing which would include these small parts. there is so much cash that is going to be released from American corporations it will make your head spin. quality of life can only improve.
If you can't understand that direct, obvious effect, there's no hope in trying to explain the ripple effect blunt tariffs like that have on an economy as a whole. You'd have to be an actual conservative with principles, not a cheerleader for President dipshit to already know that.
this just silly arrogance and discounts any openmindness of opinion and discourse you have. is it affect or effect? heck i can never remember.
Not to mention what this will do to Mexico's economy. BUT FUCK DA MEXICANS AMIRIGHT?!? I know you'll never be convinced of this cause science and studies and facts and learnin' are for fags, but currently more people emigrate from the US to Mexico than the other way around. Immigration from Mexico to the US peaked about a decade ago and has been dropping since. Expect that to turn back around starkly in the other direction once we cripple their economy again. Oh, but the wall will stop them, because it has magical powers and they can't just fly over it, or tunnel under it, or go around it.
the mexican government pretty much answered my response to your question. my hope is a synergy between the two countries but I really think we need to put America first.
Let alone the horrible optics of building a fucking wall to keep people out of our country. What other examples of this are there in history? North and South Korea? East and West Berlin? I remember Ronald Reagan tearing down the wall as a symbol of freedom and prosperity, and now the same people who cheered that are now cheering for the exact opposite to happen right here in America.
i agree. building the wall is silly concept; however, if we can keep drugs, violence, terrorism, etc...then i'm for conceptual and practical means to do so.
What the fuck happened to conservatism?
quite frankly it went away over the last 8 years
i will never be as twitter or internet smart as you and quite frankly i don't aspire to be.
lastly, i appreciate the discussion and i apologize for previous knee jerk attitude or personal insults.
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