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[Snaggletiger]

Agree with you to a point, I still don't get the people bagging on White.  I don't give a fuck what the stats are or how he does it, the kid won us games.  Oh and btw his stats were good.  I do get the fact he hasn't finished a season and yes that is a problem, he himself admits that. 

But I disagree with you that Gus tailored his offense to SW.  To me it's kind of a mix between you and CCTAU are saying.  Because CCTAU and I have been saying the same thing since Nick Marshall left we have been running the zone read.  Yes we ran the Zone Read with Cam but not to the extent we did with Marshall.  Gus prior to Marshall seemed like he could make changes and adapt his offense, since Marshall graduated that has not been the case IMHO.

I'm feeling you, playa.  I've griped about the things that have been omitted from the offense the last few years as well.  Like the elimination of the TE.  I would only counter by saying Cam ran the ball 264 times in 2010.  As I said earlier, Marshall was running around 160 times per year.  Sean was averaging 5 carries a game and was very effective when he did keep it.  So while the read option was still the offense, that particular "option" was kept to a minimum, for obvious reasons.

[Snaggletiger]

You should try it. It's a gas.

No you should pick an argument you can properly defend.

No problems, mon. Just enjoying a little football debate without posting in all caps.  

[Buzz Killington]

All I know is...

[jmar]

All I know is...

We are still shitty but on the other hand we are oh so close. That's the quandry.
We need to gear the offense to our strengths.
And I don't care if it's 40/30 pass to run or Woody Barrett and Kam Pettway giving a clinic, all I want is for Auburn to succeed.

[jmar]

No problems, mon. Just enjoying a little football debate without posting in all caps.

Hey I'm only yelling to be heard over all these other stiffs.

[Snaggletiger]

Hey I'm only yelling to be heard over all these other stiffs.

It's okay. Their points are no less valid than yours.   

#Boom  #Dropmic  #respectmyauthoritie

[jmar]

It's okay. Their points are no less valid than yours.   

#Boom  #Dropmic  #respectmyauthoritie

I am the absolute authoriti when it comes to offense matching a QBs strengths.
This you should already know.

[Buzz Killington]

You two get a room

[Kaos]

I'm feeling you, playa.  I've griped about the things that have been omitted from the offense the last few years as well.  Like the elimination of the TE.  I would only counter by saying Cam ran the ball 264 times in 2010.  As I said earlier, Marshall was running around 160 times per year.  Sean was averaging 5 carries a game and was very effective when he did keep it.  So while the read option was still the offense, that particular "option" was kept to a minimum, for obvious reasons.

If you aren't runnning it, you cannot hand the fucking ball off on the dive eight out of ten times on first down.  You just can't.  And yet we did.  How many times last year did we look at second and nine-plus?  That's bullheadedness.

[Snaggletiger]

If you aren't runnning it, you cannot hand the fucking ball off on the dive eight out of ten times on first down.  You just can't.  And yet we did.  How many times last year did we look at second and nine-plus?  That's bullheadedness.

And yet, when Sean and Kamryn were healthy, we were pretty much leading the nation in rushing.  Those two stay healthy and we're all probably having a different conversation right now.

[WiregrassTiger]

True that. I am sure Marshalls athleticism had a lot to do with but it seemed like Marshall knew how to also take a hit.....(if the D could catch him). White doesn't. Da boy gets hurt just thinking about it. Knowing that made me cringe every time White took off running.

This is code for Marshall being black.^^ This is some Jimmy the Greek type racial insensitivity right here. No doubt.

[jmar]

And yet, when Sean and Kamryn were healthy, we were pretty much leading the nation in rushing.  Those two stay healthy and we're all probably having a different conversation right now.

Some would say that we did that against the soft part of our schedule. Truth!

The term dual threat is a misnomer.
Sean isn't a runner. That's not his fault. He can evade a rush, buy a little time and take off a few times but that's mostly out of the lack of options Gushlee offered.

One primary. Nobody open. Run for your life.

To his credit, he mostly resisted forcing throws.


And again we have the new guy Stidham. He comes from an *offensive league. People are saying: oh he's a passer and yeah he can run but I don't think he will be the runner we are led to believe he is.
He will not be a read option QB, no way no how.
Might he run a couple of read option plays per game? Yes, but it's his ability to get the ball deep which stands out -in limited action.

So what does that mean for Gus?
It means Chip needs to teach Kodi Burns how to coach receivers. It means we can't hang our QBs out there without a secondary choice...like a tight end.
It means we have to stop being so damned **hardheaded and predictable.



*We found out that Oklahoma plays some pretty good defense.
**We should have been able to beat Georgia even while being hardheaded and predictable.

[jmar]

Secondly, while the talk is all about recruiting, Sean's recovery and Franklin's hand syndrome, our CEO needs to be putting together a collection of Cam and Nick cut-ups for Woody Barrett to study with the intentions of incorporating that into our "newfound passing attack."
That's preparation for the future of Auburn football if anybody in the program can project beyond the now.

I'm 58 years old and interested in winning now. But it doesn't mean that I can't want for a better future either with or without Jacobs, Malzahn and Co.

[djsimp]

This is code for Marshall being black.^^ This is some Jimmy the Greek type racial insensitivity right here. No doubt.

No, this isn't racist. You should read some of the other stuff I've posted if you think this is racist.

[The Six]

Secondly, while the talk is all about recruiting, Sean's recovery and Franklin's hand syndrome, our CEO needs to be putting together a collection of Cam and Nick cut-ups for Woody Barrett to study with the intentions of incorporating that into our "newfound passing attack."

When are you expecting Woody's child? Have you picked out a name yet? Are you registered at Bed, Bath, and Beyond or Target?

[CCTAU]

Secondly, while the talk is all about recruiting, Sean's recovery and Franklin's hand syndrome, our CEO needs to be putting together a collection of Cam and Nick cut-ups for Woody Barrett to study with the intentions of incorporating that into our "newfound passing attack."

I think you might get better results form JF3, if you can convince him he can outrun everybody.

Cam was special. You cannot teach that. Nick was fast and full of playground confidence. You might be able to teach JF3 to have that confidence.  Unless Woody is fast as hell, he will need to be taught in the same mold as SW and JS.  The difference might be that he runs a bit more. but all in all, you don't teach what Nick and Cam had.

[Godfather]

Some would say that we did that against the soft part of our schedule. Truth!

The term dual threat is a misnomer.
Sean isn't a runner. That's not his fault. He can evade a rush, buy a little time and take off a few times but that's mostly out of the lack of options Gushlee offered.

One primary. Nobody open. Run for your life.

To his credit, he mostly resisted forcing throws.


And again we have the new guy Stidham. He comes from an *offensive league. People are saying: oh he's a passer and yeah he can run but I don't think he will be the runner we are led to believe he is.
He will not be a read option QB, no way no how.
Might he run a couple of read option plays per game? Yes, but it's his ability to get the ball deep which stands out -in limited action.

So what does that mean for Gus?
It means Chip needs to teach Kodi Burns how to coach receivers. It means we can't hang our QBs out there without a secondary choice...like a tight end.
It means we have to stop being so damned **hardheaded and predictable.



*We found out that Oklahoma plays some pretty good defense.
**We should have been able to beat Georgia even while being hardheaded and predictable.

Who hijacked jmars account?  This is some spot on stuff.

[CCTAU]

Who hijacked jmars account?  This is some spot on stuff.

New meds?

[dallaswareagle]

I think you might get better results form JF3, if you can convince him he can outrun everybody.

Cam was special. You cannot teach that. Nick was fast and full of playground confidence. You might be able to teach JF3 to have that confidence.  Unless Woody is fast as hell, he will need to be taught in the same mold as SW and JS.  The difference might be that he runs a bit more. but all in all, you don't teach what Nick and Cam had.

Hopefully this is what Chip brings to the table.

[jmar]

I think you might get better results form JF3, if you can convince him he can outrun everybody.

Cam was special. You cannot teach that. Nick was fast and full of playground confidence. You might be able to teach JF3 to have that confidence.  Unless Woody is fast as hell, he will need to be taught in the same mold as SW and JS.  The difference might be that he runs a bit more. but all in all, you don't teach what Nick and Cam had.

True. My thought is that Barrett could be a little of both Cam and Nick only I've no idea what to expect or if he will ever see the field.

Don't know what kind of wheels he has. Have seen JFIII hand off fifteen straight times though which tells us he can't make the correct read. He might take it to the house on the fifteenth attempt or fumble.
On the other hand he might be worth the risk if he could score every 7 or 8 plays with a fumble.

Do we have an actuary here to run the numbers?