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Things they're getting wrong
« on: November 10, 2016, 08:09:44 AM »
Jonathan Kinloch, the Democratic Party’s chair of the 13th Congressional District, comprised of Detroit’s west and southwest sides, as well as 10 blue-collar suburbs said that what happened was about “the conversation that the Clinton campaign needed to have with the souls of white America,” and with white voters’ “counter-response to the first African-American president.”


No.  This had nothing to do with race. 

For many women, the election was a one-two punch. A huge milestone that had seemed so tantalizingly close — the election of a woman as president — was now out of reach. And the victorious candidate was one who had denigrated women, mocked a beauty pageant contestant for her weight, described grabbing women by the genitals with impunity, and been accused of multiple instances of sexual assault.

Negative.  Had nothing to do with the fact that she was a woman.  Wasn't even a consideration for most. 


IM(always right)O it came down to these eight things:

1) Zero charisma.  She sounded shrill.  Her speeches were essentially her braying and shouting at people.  She had trouble generating even the most basic human responses to things.  As idiotic as it sounds people are shallow.  Her absurd reaction to balloons, for instance, showed just how "not like us" she was. It put people off and made it difficult for her message to get through.  That's probably a good thing because her message was spectacularly shitty.

2) Message of failure.  Why vote for her?  What ideas of her own did she bring?  She was essentially "vote for me since Obama can't run again and I'm just going to do what he's been doing."  That wasn't going to work in a country where joblessness (not unemployment) is running at 10% or more. Not going to work in a country where economic growth has been stagnant. Not going to work in a country where healthcare costs have tripled since the plan she championed and tried to take credit for was implemented. Not going to work in a country where the majority (yes, majority) sees us as weaker internationally and feels like the current administration has eschewed America to kowtow to Islam, Cuba, Japan, China....

3) Out of touch.  She cannot relate to the real life daily lives of people who work to make a living every day.  Chelsea's $3 million wedding, her disaffection with work (because she doesn't care about money) and all the money that the Clinton's pulled in while claiming to be "dead broke" really alienated a lot of people. 

4) Star power.  Dragging around Jay Z and Beyonce, Justin Timberlake and Katy Perry didn't help her at all. It backfired. 

5) Courting minorities and ignoring real America.  Wes said it best somewhere in one of these threads where he said the Republicans had no choice but to embrace diversity and pander to the fringe groups.  Wrong. The fringe is the fringe for a reason. The country wanted someone who spoke to the core and quit catering to the edges.  Take all the LGBTQFH in the country.  Add in every black and hispanic.  Even at 100% participation, you don't have a majority and you're going to lose.  She forgot everybody else.  Mistake. 

6) Ethics.  She had a chance to address the email security allegations.  To simply say "I made a mistake, shouldn't have done it, was wrong."  Instead, she defiantly lied.  She showed herself to be unacquainted with the truth, unable to accept responsibility.  She had an opportunity to discuss the massive foreign donations that built her personal wealth (donations that are going to dry up now) but rather than confronting the allegations she deflected and claimed that the REAL problem was Russian hackers.  Even after she was crushed in the election, she and her team didn't waver from that.  At every turn, her campaign team responded with "It doesn't matter what we did, the issue here is how you found out..."  That moved people away in droves. She lied about everything even down to claiming she'd been under 'sniper fire'  The way she did it, with that smugness and disdain for everyone who had the audacity to question her alienated normal people.

7) Fear.  There was legitimate and very real fear that her policies would weaken the constitution.  Her closest advisor had strong ties to jihadists.  Her efforts to demonize Trump rather than articulate what she wanted to do (which was nothing other than be president and enrich herself) broke her.  People were afraid of her.  She had globalist views.  Trump was an American nationalist. 

8) Arrogance.  There was a point where she said she couldn't understand how she wasn't up by 50 points.  Trump correctly countered that if she were a man she wouldn't get 5% of the vote.  That was the reality.  She never once thought there was a chance she could lose. She'd rigged the primaries and had no one around her willing to tell her the truth or correctly read the mood of the country. 

One of my (former) friends is a staunch Clinton supporter.  After months of heckling, I asked him to give me one single reason to vote for her.  To name one thing she stood for or had done to warrant my support.  His response?  "Well,Donald Trump..."  He was never able to do it.  Take away the Clinton name and the fact that she was a woman and she brought nothing but lies, deceit, failure and shrillness to the table.  What else did she have to offer? 

This wasn't some referendum on race as that bleating idiot on CNN would have you believe.  That guy needs to have his bespectacled ass whipped.  It wasn't a repudiation of women.  It was a rejection of her personally and professionally and a national decision to overturn the vision Obama has attempted to force on us by Executive Order.

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Re: Things they're getting wrong
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2016, 08:32:38 AM »
2016 was an exact opposite mirror image of 2008.

A large group of people were mad. They felt left out. So a guy comes along to rally the troops. They got mad. They voted. Same thing happened. Different group. Different year. Simple as that.

For them to be ok with 2008 and not 2016 is hypocritical. They only like angry change when it's their side.
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Re: Things they're getting wrong
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2016, 08:39:35 AM »
For them to be ok with 2008 and not 2016 is hypocritical. They only like angry change when it's their side.

Well yes, that is true for both sides.

Really that is true for everyone in life.
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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2016, 08:42:53 AM »
Well yes, that is true for both sides.

Really that is true for everyone in life.

Everything they hate about trump they loved the same damn things about Obama. The same rhetoric. The change message. Obama demonized certain groups and aligned with certain others more than trump. People just don't want to remember it.

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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2016, 08:49:48 AM »
Everything they hate about trump they loved the same damn things about Obama. The same rhetoric. The change message. Obama demonized certain groups and aligned with certain others more than trump. People just don't want to remember it.

After I got home from waving signs and breaking things in the pro-McCain protests marches that shut down the freeways in LA in 2008 and manning the bullhorn for the pro-Romney riots that clogged Times Square in NYC 2012 I was too tired to remember all that.  I was too emotionally broken to go to work.  I had to find a safe space and cry. 
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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2016, 08:54:25 AM »
I must have missed the vote on extending term limits to 3.  I didn't realize I voted against a black man on Tuesday.  I will just take my white privilege and go shame myself in my safe space now.
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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2016, 08:57:15 AM »
Everything they hate about trump they loved the same damn things about Obama. The same rhetoric. The change message. Obama demonized certain groups and aligned with certain others more than trump. People just don't want to remember it.

And the right said the same thing in '08 as the left is saying now. Face it, if people don't get their way, they become excuse making whiny babies...

No one looks at why their candidate didn't get elected. The make excuses on why the other candidate did get elected. It goes back to personal responsibility for me.

If Hillary was being honest with herself, she lost for a couple of different reasons:
-She thought she was entitled to the position
-She didn't campaign as hard as Trump
-She didn't focus on her message at all
-Her priorities were woman and minorities and never focused on jobs or economy
-People thought she never owned up to the scandals

She could have changed a lot of those and didn't. This is on her, not Trump. Trump did a better job overall. Especially the last couple of weeks after he settled down some of the personal shots he would take.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2016, 09:03:59 AM by War Eagle!!! »
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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2016, 08:57:59 AM »
After I got home from waving signs and breaking things in the pro-McCain protests marches that shut down the freeways in LA in 2008 and manning the bullhorn for the pro-Romney riots that clogged Times Square in NYC 2012 I was too tired to remember all that.  I was too emotionally broken to go to work.  I had to find a safe space and cry.

Well, that is where the two sides are different. But the verbal excuses were there.
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Re: Things they're getting wrong
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2016, 09:14:52 AM »
After I got home from waving signs and breaking things in the pro-McCain protests marches that shut down the freeways in LA in 2008 and manning the bullhorn for the pro-Romney riots that clogged Times Square in NYC 2012 I was too tired to remember all that.  I was too emotionally broken to go to work.  I had to find a safe space and cry.
Posts like this are why I let you still post on here. :bar:
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« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2016, 09:19:46 AM »
By the way, has anyone checked on Wes? Surely he's not holed up in the end times bunker with Chizzy and Townhall, is he?

We know Prowler is still out and a free man, despite the obvious deficiencies. But I'm concerned about Wes.

He's really the only one of them all that I like. At all.

You don't think he offed himself after the election, do you?
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« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2016, 09:39:02 AM »
By the way, has anyone checked on Wes? Surely he's not holed up in the end times bunker with Chizzy and Townhall, is he?

We know Prowler is still out and a free man, despite the obvious deficiencies. But I'm concerned about Wes.

He's really the only one of them all that I like. At all.

You don't think he offed himself after the election, do you?

He's holed up somewhere all right.

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Re: Things they're getting wrong
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2016, 09:45:29 AM »
By the way, has anyone checked on Wes? Surely he's not holed up in the end times bunker with Chizzy and Townhall, is he?

We know Prowler is still out and a free man, despite the obvious deficiencies. But I'm concerned about Wes.

He's really the only one of them all that I like. At all.

You don't think he offed himself after the election, do you?
He's scouring all the local College campuses to score some despondent pussy.
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Re: Things they're getting wrong
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2016, 10:17:16 AM »
He's holed up somewhere all right.



At Laremy's crib?
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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2016, 10:43:34 AM »
And the right said the same thing in '08 as the left is saying now. Face it, if people don't get their way, they become excuse making whiny babies...

No one looks at why their candidate didn't get elected. The make excuses on why the other candidate did get elected. It goes back to personal responsibility for me.

If Hillary was being honest with herself, she lost for a couple of different reasons:
-She thought she was entitled to the position
-She didn't campaign as hard as Trump
-She didn't focus on her message at all
-Her priorities were woman and minorities and never focused on jobs or economy
-People thought she never owned up to the scandals

She could have changed a lot of those and didn't. This is on her, not Trump. Trump did a better job overall. Especially the last couple of weeks after he settled down some of the personal shots he would take.

That is true. But my point is that each side reacted differently even though they didn't like the result. They are rioting. They are looking for safe spaces. Hollywood and the msm are losing their shit and questioning if life is worth living.

 In 2008 we just went to work the next day. We got over it.
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« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2016, 10:50:54 AM »
In 2008 we just went to work the next day. We got over it.

That's different cause we were wrong.
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Re: Things they're getting wrong
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2016, 10:54:13 AM »
I suppose all these folks are taking sick days?
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Re: Things they're getting wrong
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2016, 11:16:56 AM »
I suppose all these folks are taking sick days?

Sick days would assume they have actual jobs.
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« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2016, 02:09:05 PM »
That is true. But my point is that each side reacted differently even though they didn't like the result. They are rioting. They are looking for safe spaces. Hollywood and the msm are losing their shit and questioning if life is worth living.
 In 2008 we just went to work the next day. We got over it.


I'd be more than happy to help them along if they feel its not.  (Thinning the herd)
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« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2016, 02:12:40 PM »
I suppose all these folks are taking sick days?

Should would not change the term to "Safe Days" Don't want offend anybody who is different for a small period of time. 
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« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2016, 06:36:10 PM »
Should would not change the term to "Safe Days" Don't want offend anybody who is different for a small period of time.

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