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Re: At least he's not Hillary...
« Reply #200 on: June 07, 2016, 01:05:26 PM »
If verbosely means querrishly or fagishly, then you are 100% right on this. I will have to agree with you. And I'm sure that an argument isn't the only thing you know how to flesh out, if you know what I mean.

I forget sometimes that I am not verbose enough.

He's already been told a hundred times. I think I will revert to using even less word and go with your approach.

DUMB ASS BETA MALE FAGGOT!

That should sum up his approach.
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Re: At least he's not Hillary...
« Reply #201 on: June 07, 2016, 01:11:25 PM »
I forget sometimes that I am not verbose enough.

He's already been told a hundred times. I think I will revert to using even less word and go with your approach.

DUMB ASS BETA MALE FAGGOT!

That should sum up his approach.
I have maybe said a lot of things about Chizzy and meant most of it. But I have never, to my recollection, ever called him male. And I resent the accusation.
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« Reply #202 on: June 07, 2016, 01:21:53 PM »
Here's an example of me supporting my argument (that Trump is a scam artist AND that there are racist elements to Trump's campaign) with FACTS.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-keeps-up-attacks-on-judge-gonzalo-curiel-1464911442
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Trump Says Judge’s Mexican Heritage Presents ‘Absolute Conflict’
Republican’s charge that Judge Gonzalo Curiel has a conflict of interest draws criticism from some legal observers

A federal judge unsealed court documents in a fraud lawsuit against Donald Trump's now defunct real estate school, Trump University. WSJ's Shelby Holliday highlights three key findings. Photo: Zuma Press

By BRENT KENDALL

Donald Trump on Thursday escalated his attacks on the federal judge presiding over civil fraud lawsuits against Trump University, amid criticism from legal observers who say the presumptive GOP presidential  nominee’s comments are an unusual affront on an independent judiciary.

In an interview, Mr. Trump said U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel had “an absolute conflict” in presiding over the litigation given that he was “of Mexican heritage” and a member of a Latino lawyers’ association. Mr. Trump said the background of the judge, who was born in Indiana to Mexican immigrants, was relevant because of his campaign stance against illegal immigration and his pledge to seal the southern U.S. border. “I’m building a wall. It’s an inherent conflict of interest,” Mr. Trump said.

The New York businessman also alleged the judge was a former colleague and friend of one of the Trump University plaintiffs’ lawyers. The judge and the lawyer once worked together as federal prosecutors, but the lawyer, Jason Forge, in an interview said he had never seen the judge socially.

“Neither Judge Curiel’s ethnicity nor the fact that we crossed paths as prosecutors in the U.S. Attorney’s Office well over a decade ago is to blame” for Mr. Trump’s actions, said Mr. Forge, who is with the law firm Robbins Geller Rudman & Dowd LLP.

An assistant in Judge Curiel’s chambers said he wasn’t commenting on the matter. An aide to the judge has previously said the judicial code of conduct prevents him from responding to Mr. Trump. Judge Curiel is an Obama nominee who has served on the district court in San Diego since the Senate confirmed him in 2012.

Judge Curiel’s older brother, Raul Curiel, a 67-year-old in Hammond, Ind., said his brother wasn’t fazed by Mr. Trump’s comments. “He’s taking it pretty much in stride,” the elder Mr. Curiel said.

For judges, being criticized for rulings comes with the territory, but court watchers say it is a degree far different when the critic could win the nation’s highest office, is involved in a pending case and references the judge's ethnicity.

University of Pennsylvania law professor Stephen Burbank said it was “absolute nonsense” that the judge shouldn’t be able to preside over the case because of his ethnicity.


“If this continues, I would hope that some prominent federal judges would set Mr. Trump straight on what’s appropriate and what’s not in our democracy,” Mr. Burbank said.

Ronald Rotunda, a professor at Chapman University School of Law in Orange, Calif., noted that whatever Mr. Trump’s grievances, his lawyers haven’t filed any motion asking for the case to be reassigned to a different judge. If Mr. Trump has a problem with the judge, “that’s the legitimate way” to register a complaint, he said.

Mr. Trump in the interview said that he may do so. Other judges, he said, would have thrown out the plaintiffs’ case against the school, he said.

The GOP candidate’s comments follow a San Diego speech last week in which he called the judge “a hater of Donald Trump” and “a total disgrace,” while referencing the judge’s ethnicity.

Mr. Trump also criticized the judge Thursday on Twitter, saying he would win the litigation and reopen the now-defunct Trump University when the cases were done.

While Mr. Trump’s comments prompted criticism, he said he believed the bigger threat is to be treated unfairly by the courts. “It’s called freedom of speech,” he said of the criticisms.

Legal experts agreed that defendants have the First Amendment freedom to express opinions about a judge hearing their case—as long as they aren’t disruptive in the courtroom.

“It is a prized American privilege to speak one’s mind, although not always with perfect good taste, on all public institutions,” Justice Hugo Black wrote in a 1941 Supreme Court decision that threw out contempt convictions of a newspaper publisher and a labor leader for speaking out on pending litigation.

Judge Curiel is presiding over a pair of cases in which the plaintiffs alleged Trump University duped them into paying tens of thousands of dollars on the belief they would be trained to learn Mr. Trump’s real-estate strategies. Mr. Trump denies the allegations, saying the students got their money’s worth, with many offering positive evaluations of the program.

The judge has issued pre-trial rulings against Mr. Trump and has unsealed documents in the case offering a detailed look at the business’s operations and scathing assessments from some former workers. One case is set to go to trial in November, after the election. No trial date has been set in the other case, with the next pretrial hearing set for July.

Such criticism is a closer call if the critic is a lawyer in the case, because attorneys are bound by professional conduct rules.

Lawyers in some instances have faced sanctions for controversial criticisms of judges, while in other cases they have avoided punishment.

Mr. Trump is being represented by a prominent national law firm, O’Melveny & Myers LLP, whose alumni include federal appeals court Judge Sri Srinivasan, who was on President Barack Obama’s recent short list for the Supreme Court.

Firm representatives didn’t respond to requests for comment.

The code of conduct for federal judges restricts them from “mak[ing] public comment on the merits of a matter pending or impending in any court” and bars them from publicly endorsing or opposing a candidate for public office. But in at least one rare instance, judges came to the defense of a colleague they believed was being unfairly targeted with political attacks.

During the 1996 presidential campaign, both President Bill Clinton and Sen. Bob Dole, the Republican nominee, criticized a Clinton-appointed New York federal judge, Harold Baer, who excluded prosecutors’ evidence in a high-profile narcotics case. In response, four judges on the Second U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals issued a statement in defense of Judge Baer, saying the officials’ remarks had gone “too far” and could intimidate other judges.

Judge Baer later reversed his ruling, though he said it wasn’t because of political pressure. He eventually took himself off the case.
If you're upset by the FACT that Hillary Clinton is the subject of a Federal investigation over the email server (as I am), you should also be upset by the FACT that Trump is the subject of a Federal investigation for taking advantage of and DEFRAUDING people with his Trump University SCAM. I shouldn't have to spell out those facts, but apparently I do. The perfect metaphor for his entire campaign, by the way. Take advantage of idiots who don't know any better by selling them on empty nothing bullshit solely on the basis of the Trump "brand name".

Secondly, it is a FACT that Trump stated publicly that Judge Curiel is incapable of doing his job solely on the basis of his RACE. If only there was a word for such a belief...oh right, racism...

Again, it shouldn't have to be said, but THIS is what I'm doing when I introduce a nearly daily story of Trump doing something to support the claims I made in DAY ONE of these threads. Introducing facts. That support my claims.
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Re: At least he's not Hillary...
« Reply #203 on: June 07, 2016, 01:23:15 PM »
Dude, he called you an ad-hominem. Are you going to take that?

Damn hate crimes I tell ya. The gays like chad have just as much right to be here as the rest of us.
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Re: At least he's not Hillary...
« Reply #204 on: June 07, 2016, 01:26:47 PM »
Here's an example of me supporting my argument (that Trump is a scam artist AND that there are racist elements to Trump's campaign) with FACTS.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-keeps-up-attacks-on-judge-gonzalo-curiel-1464911442If you're upset by the FACT that Hillary Clinton is the subject of a Federal investigation over the email server (as I am), you should also be upset by the FACT that Trump is the subject of a Federal investigation for taking advantage of and DEFRAUDING people with his Trump University SCAM. I shouldn't have to spell out those facts, but apparently I do. The perfect metaphor for his entire campaign, by the way. Take advantage of idiots who don't know any better by selling them on empty nothing bullshit solely on the basis of the Trump "brand name".

Secondly, it is a FACT that Trump stated publicly that Judge Curiel is incapable of doing his job solely on the basis of his RACE. If only there was a word for such a belief...oh right, racism...

Again, it shouldn't have to be said, but THIS is what I'm doing when I introduce a nearly daily story of Trump doing something to support the claims I made in DAY ONE of these threads. Introducing facts. That support my claims.

Not saying I agree or disagree here. I do think trump should let this one alone and move on to bigger things. But you have to be aware and careful of sources that "quote mine" and cherry pick. It can mean everything with context. It sometimes doesn't make it any more or less true but it can dictate the severity or extreme of the context. Which is a world of difference in the public opinions eyes.
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Re: At least he's not Hillary...
« Reply #205 on: June 07, 2016, 02:44:27 PM »
Personally, I don't think what Trump said concerning the Judge rises to the level of racism.  His stance on immigration has been probably the biggest hot button topic and the subject of protests and riots.  Right or wrong, it's natural to assume there could be at least a hint of bias.  Having said that, the absolutely idiotic thing on Trump's part is saying it publically.  Why in the hell isn't somebody in his ear trying reign in all his loose cannon antics?

I've seen some claims on here that all this could have been an act and he'll start toning it down and focusing on real issues.  I'd have to say, this is no act.  His ego is so big that he honestly believes he needs no filter. 
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Re: At least he's not Hillary...
« Reply #206 on: June 07, 2016, 03:04:11 PM »
If I was in court and I had disavowed rice as a diabetes causing junk food, I wouldn't want a chinaman judge. 

Don't see the problem. 
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Re: At least he's not Hillary...
« Reply #207 on: June 07, 2016, 03:34:15 PM »
Personally, I don't think what Trump said concerning the Judge rises to the level of racism.  His stance on immigration has been probably the biggest hot button topic and the subject of protests and riots.  Right or wrong, it's natural to assume there could be at least a hint of bias.
The judge was born in Indiana. He is not an illegal immigrant. There is no political basis to assume any of his opinions one way or another on Trump UNLESS you're conceding that Trump has given reasonable cause for all people of an entire RACE (not nationality or status as a citizen) to dislike him BECAUSE of their race. Either he's being racist now, or has established a reputation for being racist. Either way, the point stands.

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I've seen some claims on here that all this could have been an act and he'll start toning it down and focusing on real issues.  I'd have to say, this is no act.  His ego is so big that he honestly believes he needs no filter.
Still waiting...
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Re: At least he's not Hillary...
« Reply #208 on: June 07, 2016, 03:36:37 PM »
Here's an example of me supporting my argument (that Trump is a scam artist AND that there are racist elements to Trump's campaign) with FACTS.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-keeps-up-attacks-on-judge-gonzalo-curiel-1464911442If you're upset by the FACT that Hillary Clinton is the subject of a Federal investigation over the email server (as I am), you should also be upset by the FACT that Trump is the subject of a Federal investigation for taking advantage of and DEFRAUDING people with his Trump University SCAM. I shouldn't have to spell out those facts, but apparently I do. The perfect metaphor for his entire campaign, by the way. Take advantage of idiots who don't know any better by selling them on empty nothing bullshit solely on the basis of the Trump "brand name".

Secondly, it is a FACT that Trump stated publicly that Judge Curiel is incapable of doing his job solely on the basis of his RACE. If only there was a word for such a belief...oh right, racism...

Again, it shouldn't have to be said, but THIS is what I'm doing when I introduce a nearly daily story of Trump doing something to support the claims I made in DAY ONE of these threads. Introducing facts. That support my claims.

I agree it could have been handled completely different...as most everything Trump does. But, what if the premise behind what he said is true?

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The judge in the Trump University case, who has been frequently criticized by Donald Trump’s lawyers for perceived political bias, has been revealed to have been a member of a legal group affiliated with the largest radical Hispanic organization in the United States.

According to a report in The Daily Caller, Judge Gonzalo Curiel revealed that he was a member of La Raza Lawyers of San Diego during a questionnaire before his appointment as a federal judge in 2011.

On the group’s home page, its “community” links include the radical group La Raza. La Raza, which translates literally as “the race,” has been critical of Trump’s campaign, even going as far as calling “Saturday Night Live” a “platform for hate” when “SNL” allowed Trump to appear on the show last year.

Curiel, it should be noted noted, has attended at least two meetings of La Raza Lawyers of San Diego and was involved in giving “a law school scholarship to an illegal alien” through the La Raza Lawyers of San Diego Scholarship Fund. He is also a supporter of Hillary Clinton.

“The judge was appointed by Barack Obama, federal judge. Frankly, he should recuse himself because he’s given us ruling after ruling after ruling, negative, negative, negative,” Trump said at a rally in San Diego in late May.

“What happens is the judge, who happens to be, we believe, Mexican, which is great. I think that’s fine,” he added.
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Re: At least he's not Hillary...
« Reply #209 on: June 07, 2016, 03:37:18 PM »
If I was in court and I had disavowed rice as a diabetes causing junk food, I wouldn't want a chinaman ex judge.


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Don't see the problem.
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Re: At least he's not Hillary...
« Reply #210 on: June 07, 2016, 03:43:12 PM »



This made me actually laugh out loud in what was supposed to be a serious meeting.

Thank you.
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« Reply #211 on: June 07, 2016, 03:48:04 PM »
This made me actually laugh out loud in what was supposed to be a serious meeting.

Thank you.


Going over new techniques for pistol whipping a brother off camera and making it look like a self-inflicted wound?
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Re: At least he's not Hillary...
« Reply #212 on: June 07, 2016, 03:49:31 PM »
I agree it could have been handled completely different...as most everything Trump does. But, what if the premise behind what he said is true?
And here's the part where I explain that if you're going to insist on getting your news from blogs like ConservativeTribune (which I notice you didn't link), you should do at least five seconds of fact checking, because odds are high that it is full of shit.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-latinos-idUSKCN0YS2BV

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Which ‘La Raza’? Trump comments cause confusion over group's role
NEW YORK | BY EMILY FLITTER

Donald Trump's attacks on a federal judge of Mexican heritage have ignited hundreds of postings on social media about an advocacy group for Latinos that some Trump supporters are calling a terrorist organization.

The presumptive Republican presidential nominee has said that U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel, an Indiana native whose parents are Mexican immigrants, is making unfair rulings against him as the presiding judge in a class-action lawsuit over Trump University because of his plans to crack down on illegal immigration, including a promise to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

As evidence of what they say is Curiel's bias, Trump and some of his supporters have pointed to the judge's membership in La Raza Lawyers of San Diego, a local group for Hispanic lawyers that is affiliated with the Hispanic National Bar Association.

Some Trump supporters have incorrectly linked La Raza Lawyers to the National Council of La Raza, a 50-year-old civil rights group that has been strongly critical of Trump's proposals on immigration, as well as his idea to temporarily ban Muslims from entering the United States.

The NCLR's non-profit designation bars it from engaging in political campaigns, and the group's website describes it as a "nonpartisan voice for Latinos."


A conservative blog, GotNews.com, first noted Curiel's membership in the lawyer's group, which it identified simply as "La Raza," on May 31. A day later, another conservative website, The Daily Caller, made a link to the NCLR.

After the NCLR was first named, Trump fans on Twitter began attacking it. "Judge #TrumpHater #GonzaloCuriel is a member of the #TERRORIST group #LaRazza #BANLaRazza #GonzaloCuriel #RESIGN," wrote a user @WillysBaldSpot, whose profile describes her as a Trump supporter.

"I would never have known the "La Raza" organization existed without Trump's controversial comments. #genius," wrote @asamjulian, another self-proclaimed Trump fan.

TRUMP: "HE'S GOT BIAS"

Trump on Sunday repeated his attack on Curiel in an interview on CBS's "Face the Nation."

"He's a member of a club or society very strongly pro-Mexican, which is all fine. But I say he's got bias," Trump said in the interview.

"This judge has treated me very unfairly. He's treated me in a hostile manner, and there's something going on," he added.

The words "La Raza" translate from Spanish to mean "the race," which Trump fans cite as proof the NCLR is a group of people who hate anyone who isn't Hispanic.

Lisa Navarrete, an NCLR spokeswoman, rejected that interpretation, saying that "thousands" of groups had names that included "La Raza" as a "nod to our common heritage."


The attacks on the advocacy group are the latest signs of the increasing racial tension in the 2016 presidential race. Critics have said Trump's calls to deport undocumented immigrants and ban Muslims amount to racism. His supporters say he's defending the country from terrorism and violence.

Some supporters of the New York businessman have blamed the NCLR for the violent clashes between anti-Trump protesters and Trump fans at a San Jose, California, rally last week.

"Thank you La Raza for putting California into play for Trump," wrote another supporter, @magnifier661. "Your violent fascism turned off the voting class #MAGA (a hashtag meaning Make America Great Again)."

The NCLR has been criticized in the past for its leaders' statements on immigration - the group supports a path to citizenship for people who entered the United States illegally - but Navarrete said it has never before attracted the ire of a presidential candidate.

Over the past week, she said, she and other NCLR officials have been calling journalists and pundits they believe are mischaracterizing the group.

"We've been doing a lot of correcting the media and making sure they're not repeating what supporters of Mr. Trump are saying," she said.

"We're sitting around arguing the minutiae of banking regulation, not running around in hoods.'"

Hope Hicks, Trump's spokeswoman, declined to comment.

Remember what I've been saying about manipulating idiots? Just put a minimal effort into not to being one.
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Re: At least he's not Hillary...
« Reply #213 on: June 07, 2016, 03:55:45 PM »
The judge was born in Indiana. He is not an illegal immigrant. There is no political basis to assume any of his opinions one way or another on Trump UNLESS you're conceding that Trump has given reasonable cause for all people of an entire RACE (not nationality or status as a citizen) to dislike him BECAUSE of their race. Either he's being racist now, or has established a reputation for being racist. Either way, the point stands.
Still waiting...


I would venture a guess that most of the people of Mexican descent protesting are not illegal immigrants either.  Trump may or may not have a valid argument to try and remove this Judge.  Probably not.  But any time you feel like you have reason to believe you're not going to get a fair shake from the man or woman on the bench, you have the right to make that argument.  But, there are proper ways to go about that.  One of them definitely isn't making that argument in a public forum when you're running for Prez.  It's a dumbass move that only strengthens the perception of racism from his detractors.
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Re: At least he's not Hillary...
« Reply #214 on: June 07, 2016, 03:58:09 PM »

Going over new techniques for pistol whipping a brother off camera and making it look like a self-inflicted wound?
Like the technique where 4 or 5 250 pound coppers are elbows and assholes on top of a brother, with a boot on the back of his neck as he lie face down on a gravel parking lot, and at least two are yelling: "STOP RESiSTING!!!".

"Mofos how I resisting?"
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« Reply #215 on: June 07, 2016, 04:03:16 PM »
It's a dumbass move that only strengthens the perception of racism from his detractors.
And his supporters, which explains why he did it.
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Re: At least he's not Hillary...
« Reply #216 on: June 07, 2016, 04:26:46 PM »
And here's the part where I explain that if you're going to insist on getting your news from blogs like ConservativeTribune (which I notice you didn't link), you should do at least five seconds of fact checking, because odds are high that it is full of shit.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-latinos-idUSKCN0YS2BV

Remember what I've been saying about manipulating idiots? Just put a minimal effort into not to being one.

I didn't quote it as fact, which is why I said what if the "premise" is true? And I didn't link because I got other shit to do...not because I am trying to pull some fast one.

But honestly, do you not see that you do the same fucking thing? Sure this is a blog, but it is a person's opinion. Just like half of the shit you quote. You don't think there is motive in half the "reputable" news articles you quote?

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« Reply #217 on: June 07, 2016, 04:28:12 PM »
And his supporters, which explains why he did it.

Nah. He handled it poorly again. It shouldn't have been said and even the strongest supporters; Gingrich, Carson, etc, have killed him on it.
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« Reply #218 on: June 07, 2016, 04:38:41 PM »
I didn't quote it as fact, which is why I said what if the "premise" is true? And I didn't link because I got other shit to do...not because I am trying to pull some fast one.

But honestly, do you not see that you do the same fucking thing? Sure this is a blog, but it is a person's opinion. Just like half of the shit you quote. You don't think there is motive in half the "reputable" news articles you quote?
So again, I'm going to have to explain the difference in a fact and an opinion. This was not an opinion piece. They made a FALSE link between La Raza Lawyers of San Diego and the National Council of La Raza, two completely different things, and purported that they are the same thing. That is a lie. It is presented as fact, but it is UNfactual. They then listed off things they deemed "radical" that this group they claim is associated with Curiel did, but IT IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT GROUP. That is a false narrative and a lie. It is not fact. And the opposite of fact is not an OPINION. It is a LIE. This was not a theoretical or philosophical explanation for why THEY think Trump or his detractors acted a certain way. They straight up lied. See the difference?
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Re: At least he's not Hillary...
« Reply #219 on: June 07, 2016, 04:41:39 PM »
Nah. He handled it poorly again. It shouldn't have been said and even the strongest supporters; Gingrich, Carson, etc, have killed him on it.
I see some of his supposedly not-so-strongest supporters in this thread, including yourself defending it.

If you want to see what his strongest supporters are saying on the subject, again, I invite you to peer into Twitter.
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