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« on: October 29, 2015, 10:09:56 AM »
GOP Debate #3 apparently got chippy....not with each other, but with the media.  I didn't watch it but saw some follow up reports/clips and read the piece below from foxynewsdot I am a gay twerker that has no balls!!!!  I also have no idea how to use the quote function to post stories, so I annoy the piss out of others.  I like male genatalia in and around my mouth..  Nice to see someone besides Trump having the guts to call out the media.


Texas Sen. Ted Cruz rocked an already feisty Republican presidential debate Wednesday night by accusing the moderators of trying to put on a "cage match," putting the questioners on their heels with criticism echoed by several other candidates on stage.

The debate in Boulder, Colo., featured plenty of sparring among the candidates, but Cruz' challenge seemed to change the dynamic early on. Getting a strong reaction from the crowd -- and from others beyond the debate -- Cruz scolded the moderators for their questions, which included one to Donald Trump asking if he's running a "comic book" campaign.

"The questions that have been asked so far in this debate illustrate why the American people don't trust the media," Cruz said. "This is not a cage match." 

Calling for a debate on issues, he cited a "contrast with the Democratic debate, where every fawning question from the media was, 'Which of you is more handsome and why?'" Cruz delivered the criticism in response to a question on the debt limit; challenged for twice avoiding the question, Cruz tried to answer at the end, but was told he was out of time.

Cruz, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio and even New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, among others, scored stand-out moments during the debate, even as Trump and co-leader in the polls Ben Carson largely avoided tangling. Ohio Gov. John Kasich, who has struggled in the polls, also criticized the race's front-runners as unready and shopping "fantasy" policies to voters.

The debate did focus in part on fiscal issues, as candidates were challenged on their tax and other domestic plans. But even as the candidates sparred over those policies, the biggest clashes seemed to come between the candidates and the CNBC moderators.


When former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee was asked if, as a preacher, he thinks Trump is someone with "moral authority," Huckabee said: "I love Donald Trump -- he is a good man. I'm wearing a Trump tie tonight. Get over that one."

The crowd booed at the question while Trump added, “Such a nasty question.”

At one point, Christie called moderator John Harwood “rude,” even by Garden State standards, after he interrupted him. Moments earlier, Christie also mocked a question about whether fantasy football should be considered gambling.

"Are we really talking about getting government involved in fantasy football?" Christie said. "We have $19 trillion in debt. We have people out of work. We have ISIS and Al Qaeda attacking us. And we're talking about fantasy football? Can we stop? ... Enough on fantasy football. Let people play, who cares?"

Taking a parting shot at the end of the debate, Trump touted his success at having “renegotiated” the debate from three hours-plus down to two hours, “so we can get the hell out of here.”

Harwood claimed the debate “was always going to be two hours,” but Trump held firm: “That is not right.”

After the debate ended, Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus said in a statement, “the performance by the CNBC moderators was extremely disappointing."

Whenever possible, though, the GOP candidates tried to refocus attention on their common foe – Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton.

After saying the Democrats have their own super PAC “called the mainstream media,” Rubio cited the positive coverage of Clinton’s testimony before the congressional Benghazi committee.

“It was the week she got exposed as a liar,” Rubio said, adding: “She has her super PAC helping her out, the American mainstream media.”

Carly Fiorina said she'd be Clinton's "worst nightmare."

Despite expectations that Trump would use Wednesday’s debate to go after retired neurosurgeon Carson – who has overtaken Trump in Iowa polls and in the most recent national poll – the two did not argue Wednesday night, while Carson stuck to his low-key style.

Carson started the debate by pledging he would “not be engaging in awful things about my compatriots,” and ended the debate by thanking the other candidates for “being civil” and not “falling for the traps.”

But differences were on display, even if they were at times overshadowed by the spats with moderators. 

Early on, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush hammered Rubio for missing votes in Washington.

“What is it, like a French work week?” Bush asked, suggesting Rubio should go to work or “resign” – echoing the message of a Florida newspaper editorial published shortly before the debate.

Rubio, though, fired back, saying: “Somebody has convinced you that attacking me is going to help you.”

Bush trained his focus on Rubio as his campaign struggles in the polls, slipping in most surveys behind Rubio. But aside from the one-time attack on Rubio’s voting record, Bush at times seemed to struggle to elbow his way into the fray later in the debate. Rubio also dismissed the Florida editorial on his voting record, calling it evidence of media “bias.”

The Republican candidates sparred as well over their tax plans at the opening of the debate in Boulder, Colo.

Kasich leveled the most pointed criticism, after Trump defended his tax-cut plan and Carson defended his plan for a roughly 15 percent flat tax. Kasich called it “fantasy.”

“These plans would put us trillions and trillions of dollars in debt,” Kasich said. “Why don’t we just give a chicken in every pot?”

After he then appeared to take a swipe at Trump’s immigration plans, he added, “Folks, we gotta wake up. …. We cannot elect somebody that doesn’t know how to do the job.”

Trump, true to form, immediately shot back.

Saying Kasich initially vowed not to attack fellow Republicans, Trump said: “Then his poll numbers tanked. That’s why he’s on the end [of the stage].”

Carson defended his tax plan, saying it’s not “pie in the sky.” Cruz also pitched a new tax plan, calling it a 10 percent flat tax “where the numbers add up.”

Christie and Huckabee also argued over entitlements, with Christie urging him and others to tell the “truth” about these programs. He said Social Security will be “insolvent” in seven or eight years.

“The government has no business stealing even more from the people who paid [into the system],” Huckabee said.

The candidates took the stage at a volatile time in the race. Not only does Trump now face a co-front-runner in Carson, but the pressure was heavy on middle-of-the-pack candidates like Bush and Carly Fiorina to shine as their polling slips.

Bush recently slashed his campaign budget, and earlier this week held a private meeting with donors to offer reassurances and lay out the new strategy – which appears to involve, in part, attacks on Rubio. And while Fiorina has turned in several strong debate performances, she faces the continuing challenge of translating that into sustained polling support.

She pointed to her business record several times Wednesday and ended the debate by touting her ability to take on Clinton.

“I may not be your dream candidate just yet, but I can assure you I’m Hillary Clinton’s worst nightmare,” she said. Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, meanwhile, struggled for debate time on stage.

The debate followed an undercard debate with lower-polling candidates.
 
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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2015, 10:25:04 AM »
It was obvious what the plan was. CNBC is a disgrace for those questions. And Cruz was dead on. And good on the rest of the field for following his lead in not taking the mods' bait to spar with each other - for the most part.
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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2015, 10:36:50 AM »
So. A flat tax won't work, huh?

That is true if you continue with the current establishments BLOAT of government. An old man once said, "If 10% is good enough for Jesus, then it ought to be good enough for uncle Sam".
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Five statements of WISDOM
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2015, 11:01:31 AM »
I watched it.

- The moderators were awful. The questions were awful. Becky Quinn was awful but hot, so she gets a pass.

- Marco Rubio seemed to have the best put-together answers. Cruz also had great structure to his answers.

- Donald Trump is running on the fact that he is the alpha male in the room. "Mr. Trump, I want to ask you about your issues with Mark Zuckerberg...." "Shut up. That's not a real question. I want to talk about something else and everyone is going to listen to me."

- Despite controlling the stage anytime he had the camera, I didn't hear much from Trump in terms of substance. America isn't winning. He likes immigrants that are legal. I see a picture of who Trump says he is, but I'm not sure what he's going to do.

- On the other hand, most of the other candidates couldn't answer any question without diverting to exactly what they are going to do as if their presidency will be some kind of new dictatorship. "Mr./Mrs. Candidate, what are your thoughts on marijuana?" "Well, let me tell you what we're going to do about this economy. My plan is going to feature this tax code and a jumpstart for hard working Americans who are out of jobs."

- Carson seems too nice to be president. Like he's just the guy that's there, laid up in a recliner drinking an iced tea, and giving out some good grandfather advice to the issues being presented.

- Rand Paul is still wiping CNBC's shit off his face.

- Of the field last night, I would vote for Cruz, Trump, or Rubio. Probably Trump of the three. I don't really care anymore what these candidates say they are going to do or what they actually stand for. They're all full of shit anyway. But what I want is someone that is a strong leader, willing to take on opposition. Willing to stand up for their beliefs without being a petulant child about it. Willing to keep America in its role as world's bully but freedom's best friend. Able to control the stage and the conversation when needed. But then again, I wouldn't vote for Trump because I can't get past the fact that he's a clown.
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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2015, 12:25:24 PM »
- Of the field last night, I would vote for Cruz, Trump, or Rubio. Probably Trump of the three. I don't really care anymore what these candidates say they are going to do or what they actually stand for. They're all full of shit anyway. But what I want is someone that is a strong leader, willing to take on opposition. Willing to stand up for their beliefs without being a petulant child about it. Willing to keep America in its role as world's bully but freedom's best friend. Able to control the stage and the conversation when needed. But then again, I wouldn't vote for Trump because I can't get past the fact that he's a clown.

Do you tread what you type?

I would vote for trump, or I wouldn't!

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Five statements of WISDOM
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2015, 12:33:17 PM »
Do you tread what you type?

I would vote for trump, or I wouldn't!

I'm probably not voting GOP.

Out of the field last night, I'd vote for Trump.
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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2015, 01:26:06 PM »
Nearly everyone on the stage was sparring...

Then in the end Carson says "thanks to the other candidates for being civil"...is he all there? I think he may have performed a lobotomy on himself and accidentally bumped something that he wasn't suppose to.
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"The HUNH does cause significant Health and Safety issues, Health issues for the opposing fans and Safety issues for the opposing coaches." - AU AD Jay Jacobs

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« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2015, 01:34:21 PM »
We should all vote democrat. These damn republicans won't be giving us any free shit!
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Five statements of WISDOM
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

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« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2015, 02:07:03 PM »
I'm probably not voting GOP.

Out of the field last night, I'd vote for Trump.

You are going to vote for Hillary or a socialist?

Interesting...
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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2015, 02:37:29 PM »
I'm probably not voting GOP.
Why do you hate America so much as to put a babbling communist or a murdering Alinsky marxist into the White House?

Thank you for taking my call. I'll hang up and listen.
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« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2015, 02:59:31 PM »
Why do you hate America so much as to put a babbling communist or a murdering Alinsky marxist into the White House?

Thank you for taking my call. I'll hang up and listen.

I don't hate America.

I hate what's become of our government and the complete disrespect candidates have for voters.

And who said I'm voting blue?
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« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2015, 08:16:13 AM »
I don't hate America.

I hate what's become of our government and the complete disrespect candidates have for voters.

And who said I'm voting blue?

So youre not voting?

You still sound like a college student at heart. I usually like your posts but none youve made in this thread make a lot of sense. But you have a few good points.....

Personally, I like Rubio. Most well rounded, most pragmatic while still making sense and appealing to all levels.

Carson is a nice guy. Trump changes the dynamic. Cruz sticks to his guns and convictions. All 3 things are admirable. But not sure I would quite say they are the guy - any of them. Carly is JUST a nice sound bite or talking point. Her record is nothing but fail.

Anyone outside of Cruz, Rubio, Trump and Carson need to drop.....NOW. The debates will become a lot less of a charade and sparring with each other if there are only 3-4 on the stage.

And its hard to blame anyone on the stage for not being able to reveal any substance with the questions asked. A couple of them did reveal substance only to be told by Bush, Kasich or the moderators that it "can't be done". People that say can't are the fucking problem. Thats the whole point.

No candidate ever reveals boocoodles of detailed plans....its usually more at a high level, general direction/vision kind of way. Thats what advisors and policy makers are for. Ask the Reagan and Clinton (Bill) folks....between Ed Rollins, Haig for Reagan or Dick Morris, Lanny Davis and James Carville for Clinton, these guys usually form the small details and guts of Presidential operations dictated from what direction the President wants to go, generally speaking. Like, you said - I'd rather have that vision and leadership, and general ideas. The details will get sorted out.
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« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2015, 09:10:04 AM »
So youre not voting?


Are independent candidates not allowed? I haven't really made my mind up at all.

The GOP is uninspiring, and I'm not going to vote for candidates who are too dense or obstinate to trust scientific discourse over their own religious and/or political agendas. I'm also not going to vote for corporate shills that do not have my best interest at heart. I'm not going to vote for someone who is divisive. I'm not going to vote for someone who thinks it's "their turn."

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You still sound like a college student at heart. I usually like your posts but none youve made in this thread make a lot of sense. But you have a few good points.....


I am a college student, so, okay. How can I have good points while not making any sense?

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No candidate ever reveals boocoodles of detailed plans....its usually more at a high level, general direction/vision kind of way. Thats what advisors and policy makers are for. Ask the Reagan and Clinton (Bill) folks....between Ed Rollins, Haig for Reagan or Dick Morris, Lanny Davis and James Carville for Clinton, these guys usually form the small details and guts of Presidential operations dictated from what direction the President wants to go, generally speaking. Like, you said - I'd rather have that vision and leadership, and general ideas. The details will get sorted out.

And it's all buzz words and talking points. Especially from the GOP establishment candidates like Bush. The Republicans have been kings and now queen for years in saying "hell no" to government regulations and involvement, yet over the years, Republicans have been just as guilty of government overreach as Democrats.

These buzz words and talking points don't stop even when the field is narrowed. It's the same ole rhetoric of talking about jobs, talking about taxes, giving attacks and insults to the opposition, and making promises that cannot be kept.

So what I'm looking for in a president is:

- Someone who is going to be strong in their leadership and not flip flop based on "feelings," social justice, and public opinion.
- Someone who is going to be considerate of bipartisan discussions and not push bills and policies that are secretive.
- Someone who is going to be a unifying character and not a divisive one.
- Someone who is going to care more about the interests of the American people as opposed to corporate interests based on some form of trickle down economic philosophy.

Perhaps that's a collegiate way of looking at things. I guess I just don't care when a candidate says, "I'm going to focus on creating jobs!" "My track record says that I can balance the budget!" Don't care. They all say this. They all will be walking the company line (GOP or Democrat) when pushing policies. At least, they all will outside of Trump, Paul, and Bernie.
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« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2015, 10:11:35 AM »
Are independent candidates not allowed? I haven't really made my mind up at all.

The GOP is uninspiring, and I'm not going to vote for candidates who are too dense or obstinate to trust scientific discourse over their own religious and/or political agendas. I'm also not going to vote for corporate shills that do not have my best interest at heart. I'm not going to vote for someone who is divisive. I'm not going to vote for someone who thinks it's "their turn."

I am a college student, so, okay. How can I have good points while not making any sense?

And it's all buzz words and talking points. Especially from the GOP establishment candidates like Bush. The Republicans have been kings and now queen for years in saying "hell no" to government regulations and involvement, yet over the years, Republicans have been just as guilty of government overreach as Democrats.

These buzz words and talking points don't stop even when the field is narrowed. It's the same ole rhetoric of talking about jobs, talking about taxes, giving attacks and insults to the opposition, and making promises that cannot be kept.

So what I'm looking for in a president is:

- Someone who is going to be strong in their leadership and not flip flop based on "feelings," social justice, and public opinion.
- Someone who is going to be considerate of bipartisan discussions and not push bills and policies that are secretive.
- Someone who is going to be a unifying character and not a divisive one.
- Someone who is going to care more about the interests of the American people as opposed to corporate interests based on some form of trickle down economic philosophy.

Perhaps that's a collegiate way of looking at things. I guess I just don't care when a candidate says, "I'm going to focus on creating jobs!" "My track record says that I can balance the budget!" Don't care. They all say this. They all will be walking the company line (GOP or Democrat) when pushing policies. At least, they all will outside of Trump, Paul, and Bernie.

I said you werent making a lot of sense. You made some though. You were really more being contradicting of yourself.

Just a quick note: do you know who running has gotten more money from banks and corporate interests than anyone? Hint hint....its a she. And SHE's been around a while.

Do not let corporate interests turn you off from Capitalism. At its core, it is about everyone determining their own destiny directly based off how much they want to earn it. That is about as natural of a philosophy as there is. In fact, thats how the natural order of this entire world works if you look around.

All things being equal, I probably like Rand Paul the most. Or Scott Walker who has dropped out. But of the viable candidates, I think Rubio is the guy. I really do. He's not a bomb thrower. He's not a far right twit. He's also not an fake, weak establishment shill. Frankly, anyone who tells Jeb to F off is ok with me. He is young. He is diverse. He has energy. He has ideas. He's pragmatic. And secondary, but important - with him being latino and having made an attempt to try and remedy the immigration crisis - he will be looked at as immigrant friendly yet pragmatic to his base that is already there, and will carry a LOT of the latino vote.

Dont get too wrapped up in the "corporate profits" rhetoric. Those profits make a lot of the country go round. The entire economy cannot sustain under 100% mom and pop stores and govt jobs. The tax dollars from those jobs fund the govt. So that people like dallas can have a nice contractor or govt job, and be able to sit back and bitch about how awful the private sector is....the very private sector that funds these jobs. You don't have a public sector (schools, military, govt, etc) without a private sector funding it.

Corporations do a lot of good, in the form of good jobs, products we use and the stock market (shareholders). Bernie can't tell you that though. He will lose votes. I think what you are more probably upset with is Crony Capitalism which is the pure system run amock with loopholes and the good ole boy network. I like to think that is not most of the candidates up there. Of course they need to do well and make money. But these CEO's like Carly getting golden parachutes, getting bailed out, laying folks off while they dine on their yachts? Yeah, with you there. But that is not the majority.
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« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2015, 10:20:11 AM »
So that people like dallas can have a nice contractor or govt job,

Last Gubment job I had was military, but I do bitch about how low my retirement is.   :fu:


Although I wish I had gone postal, I would be eligible for another pension this year. Took the test when I got out, got accepted and went on a tour of a postal facility here in Dallas. I saw the laziest, biggest pile of dipshits I had ever seen. Just couldn't bring myself to work like that.

I am almost to the point of supporting Trump. Blowhard, yes. But it would drive the left and the MSM batshit crazy. And maybe, just maybe he could get us back on the right track. Running the country to a certain extent is no different than running a business. Surround yourself with the best people you can get and let them do their job. 
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« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2015, 12:15:33 PM »
I'm gonna vote for somebody who will make no difference at all.

Jobs? Who needs those bitches. We got the gubment.

Balance the budget? Shit, we print the money!

Big companies? Crush those greedy bastards. They don't do shit for the economy.


Hell yeah baby. some no name dumbass without a prayer. Thats the guy for me!
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Five statements of WISDOM
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

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« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2015, 12:54:24 PM »
I'm gonna vote for somebody who will make no difference at all.

Jobs? Who needs those bitches. We got the gubment.

Balance the budget? Shit, we print the money!

Big companies? Crush those greedy bastards. They don't do shit for the economy.


Hell yeah baby. some no name dumbass without a prayer. Thats the guy for me!


Got a message board full of people who might win.  :facepalm:
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« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2015, 08:48:11 AM »
I watched and enjoyed the fray with the moderators.

Can't vote for Trump nor would I entertain the thought. Not gonna! 

Carson seems to be on some mild tranquilizers. Can't tell if he's barely awake or half asleep. I can't.

Rubio might be youthful and can pull some of the Hispanic vote but this guy is not ready for this position...not yet.


Paul and Kasich have my attention. 


Fiorina is the most interesting of all being the lone woman and by her demeanor.
Something tells me everyone has either been instructed or has sense enough not to engage her hoping she will eventually go away.     



       

 
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« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2015, 11:51:25 AM »
I'm waiting for Carson, Trump, Rubio, or Cruz to step it up.

I WOULD vote for Trump if he steps up his game and convinces me.

I WOULD vote for Carson.

Paul Is out there. And Kasich is part of the establishment.

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Five statements of WISDOM
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.