I think all hippies should be vegans...

[Tiger Wench]

That means there will be fewer of them as time rolls on... Darwinism at it's finest!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/active/mens-health/11172519/Vegetarians-have-much-lower-sperm-counts.html

Vegetarians and vegans may be harming their chance of having children after a study found that men who do not eat meat have significantly reduced sperm counts.

Although a diet that is rich in fruit and vegetables can protect against many illnesses and can prolong life, it appears that it may also harm fertility.

Researchers at Loma Linda University Medical School, in southern California, embarked on a four-year project to find out how diets affect sperm.

The region has a high population of Seventh-Day Adventist Christians who believe that meat is impure and so are strict vegetarians.

Seventh-day Adventists live an average of 10 years longer than the American life expectancy of about 79 years and the researchers wanted to find out if their astonishing longevity might be linked to sperm quality.
 
However they found the opposite. Vegetarians and vegans had significantly lower sperm counts compared with meat eaters, 50 million sperm per ml compared with 70 million per ml.

They also had lower average sperm motility – the number of sperm which are active. Only one third of sperm were active for vegetarians and vegans compared with nearly 60 per cent for meat eaters.

The team believes that vitamin deficiencies may be to blame but also believe that replacing meat with soy could be responsible.

“We found that diet does significantly affect sperm quality. Vegetarian and vegan diets were associated with much lower sperm counts than omnivorous diets,” said Dr Eliza Orzylowska an obstetrician at Loma Linda University Medical Centre in California.

“Although these people are not infertile, in is likely to play a factor in conception, particularly for couples who are trying to conceive naturally. the old fashioned way.”

One factor could be diets rich in soy, the researchers hypothesis. Soy contains phyto-oestrogens which have similar properties to the female hormone oestrogen.

“The theory that we have come up with is that vegetarians are replacing meat with soy, which contains phytooestrogens and could be affecting fertility,” added Dr Orzylowska.

“For children who have grown up with those kind of diets, it may have impacted on sperm quality from puberty.

“It’s hard to tell people not to be vegetarians if they are trying to conceive, but I would caution against using soy, at least for 74 days beforehand, which is the time it takes for sperm to be replaced.”

The researchers also think that vegetarians and vegans may be deficient in vitamin b12. The study compared 443 meat eaters with 26 vegetarians and five vegans.

Separate research from Harvard University also found that a diet high in fruit and vegetables may impact fertility because men are consuming high quantities of pesticides.

Jorge Chavarro of Harvard University, one of the authors on the paper, said: “There has been a lot of interest on whether pesticides may impact fertility in general.

“There is some evidence that both occupational and environmental exposure may have an adverse impact on male fertility.

“On the one hand, fruit and vegetables may have a positive effect on fertility, especially fruits very high in antioxidants.”

But he warned that pesticides in the fruit and vegetables could potentially have “opposing influences” on the good effects of antioxidants and other benefits.

The study looked at the sperm quality of 155 men who visited the Massachussetts General Fertility Centre between 2007 – 2012.

Researchers calculated whether men were likely to be high pesticide absorbers or low or medium pesticide absorbers using a US national database which evaluates how much pesticide residue is expected to remain on various foods, depending on how they are usually eaten.

An apple would be tested with its skin on, but an orange peeled.

Those with the highest intake of fruit and vegetables had 70 per cent lower quality and 68 per cent lower sperm motility.

“We found men who had the highest intakes of fruit and vegetables high in pesticide residues tended to have lower sperm quality, specifically lower total normal count and mobile count” said Dr Chavarro.

Foods considered high in pesticides include celery. Those considered low include avocados.

Both studies will be presented at the American Society of Reproductive Medicine’s annual meeting in Hawaii.

[GH2001]

Its not the being vegan, its the using soy. Its pretty proven soy isnt good for a dude's reproductive system.

I will say, those SDA folks do seem to be healthy as a whole though and I think they live longer than any other demographic in the US (as the article somewhat eluded to). Might have as much to do with living a generally healthy lifestyle (like the Mormons) moreso than being vegan though. I know several of them and they are pretty healthy people. All have kids too. They must not eat too much soy.

[Tiger Wench]

Its not the being vegan, its the using soy. Its pretty proven soy isnt good for a dude's reproductive system.

Please don't tell the hippies.  I think all of California should embrace a total soy lifestyle.  Maybe even other places too, like Detroit,  Starkvegas and Turdscaloser.  We should start an ad campaign.

I am not talking about Mormons and SDA - as South Park once said, who cares what someone believes as long as they are not hurting anyone else, esp when their lifestyle encourages family time, strong faith, no intoxicants, clean living and a giving heart?  I got no beef with that at all.  (<--- See what I did there?)

[Godfather]

I knew Nooks kids didn't look like him.

[AUChizad]

That means there will be fewer of them as time rolls on... Darwinism at it's finest!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/active/mens-health/11172519/Vegetarians-have-much-lower-sperm-counts.html

Chicken or egg argument. Are the hippies less virile because they're vegan, or are the vegan because they're less virile?

[AUJarhead]

I knew Nooks kids didn't look like him.

When did Simp go to the Pacific Northwest?

[Godfather]

Chicken or egg argument. Are the hippies less virile because they're vegan, or are the vegan because they're less virile?

It's all the tree hugging

[Snaggletiger]

Love a good steak. Unfortunately, it's hard to have swimmers without a pool and two lifeguards.