Fat Black Guy Dies After Police Place Him in Chokehold

[GH2001]

Why are we seeing more incidents of law enforcement going rambo for small offenses. It is as if when you don't obey the commands, it's open season. this guy was evading taxes and selling without a license. Just write his ass a ticket, report him to the IRS and move on.

Let obummer worry about him.

What the klansman said ^^

[WiregrassTiger]

Had a friend in high school who was the starting running back.  Decent guy, but your stereotypical jock.

He became a police officer.  Saw a post from him on Facebook the other day that included a video of a police officer talking on his radio with another officer, who was informing him that a suspect was running his way.  The suspect rounds a corner and is just a few paces from the officer shown in the video.  The officer violently tackles him to the ground.

Now, I have no problem with how those events played out.  The officer merely subdued him and placed him under arrest.  The problem I have is with the comment that my friend made on the post: "This is what we live for."

Ideally, you should "live for" the idea of protecting and serving if you're going to become a police officer.  Your driving force or ultimate goal should not be to have the opportunity to physically punish people.  Yet, there are those types who become officers for that reason, or who develop that attitude shortly after becoming an officer.  And it's generally those types of people who wind up unnecessarily killing or injuring people, including other officers, because of their reckless attitude and desire to be the physically authoritative presence.

"WHAP", "BAM", "WHAP"---baton strikes, followed by: "STOP RESISTING!!!"....is usually the way this plays out.

[CCTAU]

I think we are not teaching enough protect and serve and focusing more on the law "enforcement" aspect.

I know there are assholes out there who make it difficult for the police. But 99.9% of us are law abiding citizens who do not wish to be harassed by an overzealous officer.
I never have an issue talking with law enforcement if they have a question. But it is ALWAYS how the question is asked. Ask like an asshole, I'll answer like an asshole. I think that is just human nature.


And I have never or will ever be part of an organization that discriminates based solely on race.

I do, however, belong to the "life is hard, it's even harder when you are stupid" club!

[Snaggletiger]

A police officer normally has a billy club, mace, a taze me bro and a gun.  Sometimes he has a big bad dog and a radio that he uses to call more policemen with clubs and mace and taze me bros and guns.  The proper response is yes sir and no sir.  If he gets out of line...take it to court.  But out there you will lose 100% of the time.

[smooth_operator]

Why are we seeing more incidents of law enforcement going rambo for small offenses. It is as if when you don't obey the commands, it's open season. this guy was evading taxes and selling without a license. Just write his ass a ticket, report him to the IRS and move on.

Let obummer worry about him.

That cop is about to be fucked with the long dick of the law, and he deserves it because he is a stupid asshole. As to your "seeing more incidents"

You're seeing more because there are more incidents being recorded and they make more of a splash in today's culture. Incidents are occurring at an all time low.  Up until the early 90's it was not only common practice but pretty much standard operating procedure for cops to carry "blackjack" or "sap" which was basically a leather club with lead in the end. They beat the shit out of people regularly. When that specialized technique began to cost departments too much money cops took to carrying large metal flashlights. Again, they beat the shit out of people with them. In talking to an old guy I trust to tell me the truth about being a cop in the 80's "nearly every arrest was a fight, they didn't want to go to prison and we knew we'd fight it out every time". They didn't have tasers, or spray, or often the level of training in non-damaging holds and takedowns seen in modern LE. They just straight up beat the fuck out of people and hauled them to jail. And there were terrible abuses I'm sure, but most of it was just doing what had to be done to get the job done. I said all that to say this: Things are lightyears better in terms of use of force. Yeah, its violent sometimes but stopping a violent person generally requires violence and abusers get weeded out. Now, there are no blackjacks. There are no maglights. It is common knowledge that if you beat someone in that manner you deserve what you get in court. Now most have tasers (by the way, if they do have a taser they've been hit with it. Thousands of cops tased not one death or injury from the device. They're literally life savers getting a bad rap due to some abuse and the unfortunate tendency of people who took enough drugs to fight the police dying . Read up on "excited delirium") Training is better. Equipment is better. Documentation is better. everything is videoed either by cops or public at large. So its easy to say "man, those brutal pigs" but the reality is folks are getting a difficult job done in a sweeter, more cuddly way. Yeah, assholes happen but they're being weeded out regularly.

[GH2001]

That cop is about to be fucked with the long dick of the law, and he deserves it because he is a stupid asshole. As to your "seeing more incidents"

You're seeing more because there are more incidents being recorded and they make more of a splash in today's culture. Incidents are occurring at an all time low.  Up until the early 90's it was not only common practice but pretty much standard operating procedure for cops to carry "blackjack" or "sap" which was basically a leather club with lead in the end. They beat the shit out of people regularly. When that specialized technique began to cost departments too much money cops took to carrying large metal flashlights. Again, they beat the shit out of people with them. In talking to an old guy I trust to tell me the truth about being a cop in the 80's "nearly every arrest was a fight, they didn't want to go to prison and we knew we'd fight it out every time". They didn't have tasers, or spray, or often the level of training in non-damaging holds and takedowns seen in modern LE. They just straight up beat the fuck out of people and hauled them to jail. And there were terrible abuses I'm sure, but most of it was just doing what had to be done to get the job done. I said all that to say this: Things are lightyears better in terms of use of force. Yeah, its violent sometimes but stopping a violent person generally requires violence and abusers get weeded out. Now, there are no blackjacks. There are no maglights. It is common knowledge that if you beat someone in that manner you deserve what you get in court. Now most have tasers (by the way, if they do have a taser they've been hit with it. Thousands of cops tased not one death or injury from the device. They're literally life savers getting a bad rap due to some abuse and the unfortunate tendency of people who took enough drugs to fight the police dying . Read up on "excited delirium") Training is better. Equipment is better. Documentation is better. everything is videoed either by cops or public at large. So its easy to say "man, those brutal pigs" but the reality is folks are getting a difficult job done in a sweeter, more cuddly way. Yeah, assholes happen but they're being weeded out regularly.

I hear it also used to be "standard procedure" for the police to beat the hell out of some innocent black people in Selma.

[CCTAU]

I have no problem with force against force.

The issues and incidents we are seeing more of, is not the "Damn. That dude needed hos ass whipped". It is more like, "Why was the cop such an asshole?"


Like I said, 99.9% of us are not trouble makers, but many of us are willing to hold our ground when being disrespected.

The over use of power in normal situations is what is getting the attention.

In the case of this thread, there was no reason to get physical with the guy at this point.

Protect and serve.

Not Judge Dredd, "I AM THE LAWWWWW!"

[Saniflush]

I hear it also used to be "standard procedure" for the police to beat the hell out of some innocent black people in Selma.

I think that was Bull Connor in Birmingham but whatever.

[GH2001]

I have no problem with force against force.

The issues and incidents we are seeing more of, is not the "Damn. That dude needed hos ass whipped". It is more like, "Why was the cop such an asshole?"


Like I said, 99.9% of us are not trouble makers, but many of us are willing to hold our ground when being disrespected.

The over use of power in normal situations is what is getting the attention.

In the case of this thread, there was no reason to get physical with the guy at this point.

Protect and serve.

Not Judge Dredd, "I AM THE LAWWWWW!"

And thats why I bring up the Selma stuff.

I am for cops in general. I think most are good. But I think you will always have those that are rogue. This guy was an idiot. And all it is gonna do is stir up a bunch of shit from people like Jesse Jackson. Yes, it was wrong. Yes Selma was wrong. But there are a lot of people who profit off these things for the wrong reasons. Why do it? You know youre gonna get caught and its the wrong thing to do. So why? You can't tell me this cop thought his life was endangered and that this was the only way out.

[Ogre]

Can't we all just get along?

[GH2001]

I think that was Bull Connor in Birmingham but whatever.

That too, but was refering to Jim Clark and the Pettus Bridge ruckus. They tried to paint that as if it was necessary. It wasn't. It was pre meditated.

[Saniflush]

That too, but was refering to Jim Clark and the Pettus Bridge ruckus. They tried to paint that as if it was necessary. It wasn't. It was pre meditated.

Damnit you had to go posting pictures.  Now CCTAU is gonna get all excited and somebody is gonna feel his wrath in North Atlanta.

[smooth_operator]

Whoah whoah, I ain't arguing for this jackass or any other assholes. I would disagree with the "99% of us" thing because the asshole/normal person ratio isn't that good. I was just pointing out that the idea that really negative incidents are on the rise is unfounded. As is the idea that the world in general is in greater chaos than normal is unfounded. The 24 hour news cycle and the wonders of technology including the internet and cheap and portable recording devices has made the average person more aware of the world in general, but the sky is not falling and the world is (pretty much) getting better. The Selma reference was spot on in that if no video or photos had been taken we wouldn't even know what the Edmund Pettus bridge is and those foul acts would've been glossed over.

And yes, 100% beating the fuck out of people was standard back then, just as straight up hanging them was standard 100 years before that.

[Snaggletiger]

Whoah whoah, I ain't arguing for this jackass or any other assholes. I would disagree with the "99% of us" thing because the asshole/normal person ratio isn't that good. I was just pointing out that the idea that really negative incidents are on the rise is unfounded. As is the idea that the world in general is in greater chaos than normal is unfounded. The 24 hour news cycle and the wonders of technology including the internet and cheap and portable recording devices has made the average person more aware of the world in general, but the sky is not falling and the world is (pretty much) getting better. The Selma reference was spot on in that if no video or photos had been taken we wouldn't even know what the Edmund Pettus bridge is and those foul acts would've been glossed over.

And yes, 100% beating the fuck out of people was standard back then, just as straight up hanging them was standard 100 years before that.

^^^This right here^^^ Listen to him.  He's pre-med.

[WiregrassTiger]

All b.s. aside, if they had simply tased the bro, he may not be dead right now. And the threat of a taser being pointed at him would have likely been enough to stop him. He may have thought he could handle the little police chick and the roosty poots with her in short order. And the dude that put the choke hold on him may/may not regret it. Doesn't matter. The taser should've been tried before a choke hold.

The perp didn't appear to be acting out violently or as an immediate threat. That's my problem with his being choked down.

There are few men, like myself, that can endure being tased and continue fighting like a crazed wildcat.

[smooth_operator]

All b.s. aside, if they had simply tased the bro, he may not be dead right now. And the threat of a taser being pointed at him would have likely been enough to stop him. He may have thought he could handle the little police chick and the roosty poots with her in short order. And the dude that put the choke hold on him may/may not regret it. Doesn't matter. The taser should've been tried before a choke hold.

The perp didn't appear to be acting out violently or as an immediate threat. That's my problem with his being choked down.

There are few men, like myself, that can endure being tased and continue fighting like a crazed wildcat.

The taser is a life saver, no doubt. It gets a lot of negative publicity and because of that the use of force guidelines at a lot of places are narrowing its utility (partially due to the jackassary of cops) but if I knew someone I cared about was either going to get in a full on fight with a cop or get tased I would want them tased. It ends the game with zero injuries on either side.

[GH2001]

All b.s. aside, if they had simply tased the bro, he may not be dead right now. And the threat of a taser being pointed at him would have likely been enough to stop him. He may have thought he could handle the little police chick and the roosty poots with her in short order. And the dude that put the choke hold on him may/may not regret it. Doesn't matter. The taser should've been tried before a choke hold.

The perp didn't appear to be acting out violently or as an immediate threat. That's my problem with his being choked down.

There are few men, like myself, that can endure being tased and continue fighting like a crazed wildcat.

[GH2001]

Damnit you had to go posting pictures.  Now CCTAU is gonna get all excited and somebody is gonna feel his wrath in North Atlanta.

Polishing his hood off right now

[War Eagle!!!]

I spent nearly 3 solid months in the hospital with my ex-wife nearly 10 years ago. On the one night that my parents finally talked me in to going home to try and get one night of sleep, I got a call early the next morning saying her blood pressure had sky rocketed, she was having a panic attack, and could I get to the hospital as soon as possible.

So I got in the car and raced up Hwy 280 in Birmingham. As I was speeding along, I got pulled over going probably 70 MPH on 280 which was clearly speeding by 10 15 MPH or so.

The cop, who looked all of 24, came strolling up to the window.

Cop: Do you have an emergency?
Me: Well, sort of sir. I just got a call from the hospital that my wife is in ICU and the told me she isn't doing well and I needed to get up there.
Cop: What is she doing in the hospital?
Me: She has had some complications from some pretty major surgery and we have been in the hospital for a few months. Actually, last night is the first night that I slept in my bed in a long time since I have been with her. I understand I was speeding officer, but can you please hurry and write a ticket or whatever because I really need to get up there.
Cop: So what hospital.
Me: Brookwood. Right up the road. I really need to get up there.
Cop: SO if I call the hospital, they will confirm this?
Me: Yes sir. But please hurry, I really need to get up there.
Cop: Just a minute.

He takes my license and strolls back to his police car. 6 minutes later, he casually strolls back up to my window with a pissed off look on his face.

Cop: I am going to let you go, but let me tell you this son. You never, EVER tell a cop to hurry. You got that?

I didn't say a word, I took my license from him and drove off.

What a power tripping dick fuck that kid was...

[smooth_operator]

Hey man look at the bright side, he didn't choke you to death. And you have a great story about how someone wasn't pleasant with you whilst not writing you a ticket. Was he a state trooper because they are all assholes and I can't see any of them letting a ticket go, hospital or no.
I've actually gotten into several arguments about that sort of thing. My stance is that the average decent person doesn't ever need a cop, or talk to a cop, outside of a traffic stop for a minor violation. No wonder cops are nearly universally disliked, troopers and the like just can't help being a total dick shortly before writing a $300 ticket for a minor violation.