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Ruling lets stand school's Confederate flag ban

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Ruling lets stand school's Confederate flag ban
« on: August 20, 2008, 01:45:27 PM »
http://www.waff.com/Global/story.asp?S=8872066

Ruling lets stand school's Confederate flag ban
 
Associated Press - August 20, 2008 12:34 PM ET

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - A federal appeals court panel has ruled in favor of a Tennessee high school that banned students from wearing clothing with the Confederate battle flag after several racial incidents.

Students Derek Barr, Chris White and Roger Craig White claimed in a lawsuit that their free speech rights were violated by the 2005 ban on the Confederate symbol at William Blount High School in Maryville.

School officials said their ban came after racial tension that included a fight, a civil rights complaint and graffiti of a Confederate flag, a racial slur and a noose.

In its opinion filed Wednesday in Cincinnati, the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that school officials had a right to ban the flag because they could "reasonably forecast" that it would disrupt education.

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Re: Ruling lets stand school's Confederate flag ban
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2008, 03:45:29 PM »
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Ruling lets stand school's Confederate flag ban
 
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Thanks for posting that article "JohnDeere".  Southern Heritage Defense is a subject that is very near and dear to me.  Our Southern Heritage is constantly under attack and set-backs like this one are all too frequent lately.  We have had some victories here in Georgia.  The Southern Legal Resource Center recently took legal action against the City of Ringold to have the Confederate Battle Flag restored in front of the Ringold Depot.  They also won a similar case to the one in this article out in Texas and another in Florida in a couple of the cases acting as representation for the Sons of Confederate Veterans (for disclosure: I am a member of said organization).

Here's some information on another recent case in Tennessee which ended in a mistrial:

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Tennessee Battleflag Law Suit

UPDATED 8/15/08 6:33 p.m.: KNOXVILLE, Tenn. (WVLT)-- After twelve hours of deliberations over three days, a federal judge declares a mistrial in the case of an Anderson County student who filed suit after not being allowed to wear clothing with confederate symbols to school.

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Tommy DeFoe is disappointed the jury could not reach the verdict he wanted, but that's not stopping him.

The court will have to set a new trial date and do it all over again.

For DeFoe, he may not have won the war, but he feels at least he's won a battle.

"If I hadn't have stood up for my rights, everybody else's right, hadn't have stood up for the South and the Confederate flag nobody else would."

The link:
http://sonsofconfederateveterans.blogspot.com/2008/08/tennessee-battleflag-law-suit.html
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Re: Ruling lets stand school's Confederate flag ban
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2008, 04:15:26 PM »
I'm not big on banning things, but if you're going to ban the confederate flag, you've also got to banish likenesses of Che Guerva, Tupac, Ice T (Cube, Vanilla, etc.), MLK, and so on and so on.   I find t-shirts and apparel referring to the University of Alabama to be highly offensive. Can we get those banned too?  And what about the color crimson. Ban it! 

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Re: Ruling lets stand school's Confederate flag ban
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2008, 10:29:30 PM »
Even though you make a slipperly slope argument, Kaos, it is still a good one.  What is the standard to what is offensive and what isn't?  I forget sometimes that the framers wanted us to have the inalienable, fundamental right to "not be offended."  If in this particular case, the confederate flag causes a disruption in the "educational process."  Couldn't we argue, as some of you have, that Alabama Crimson Tide shirts disrupt the learning process? Or the color green, or popped colors, or see through shirts, v-necks, sweaters, ankle skirts (cause you know you want to see more leg)? 

The other argument made is, students should learn the great virtue or tolerance.  We see a lot of this on college campuses under the great banner of Diversity.  And confederate flags are "inherently racist and intolerable and evil and should be burnt etc."  But see the problem with this argument?  In order to be tolerable of others, you must not tolerate the confederate flag?  Can you tolerate the intolerable? What if i just don't want to tolerate black panthers cause i inherently disagree with their message?  Well, the diversity tolernace crowd would tell me "tough, learn to respect their opinion/culture/etc."  The logic collapses on itself. How can I tolerate a group that doesn't tolerate my point of view? 

Which is why this student's argument of "I have the 1st amendment right to say or wear or express what i want to"  is correct.  Unfortunately, he got some judges that don't know how to read the 1st amendment (which is a fundamental right, i.e. fundamental to the notions of liberty).  Cause in our Society of freedoms and liberties, you can say or express whatever you want, no matter how racist or dumbass or genius it is.  It doesn't matter, the 1st amendment protects the individual to say it.

anyway, just my opinion, sorry for the long quasi-legal analysis 
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Re: Ruling lets stand school's Confederate flag ban
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2008, 01:52:21 PM »
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I find t-shirts and apparel referring to the University of Alabama to be highly offensive. Can we get those banned too?  And what about the color crimson. Ban it! 
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 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

That's phenomenal!
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Re: Ruling lets stand school's Confederate flag ban
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2008, 01:58:26 PM »
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I forget sometimes that the framers wanted us to have the inalienable, fundamental right to "not be offended." 
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I'm really offended by that term!  They were the Founding Fathers.  Framers makes them sound like they worked at a mall store.

Other than that good quasi-legal analysis in my opinion.
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Re: Ruling lets stand school's Confederate flag ban
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2008, 07:16:22 PM »
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I'm really offended by that term!  They were the Founding Fathers.  Framers makes them sound like they worked at a mall store.

sorry i offended. (altough i don't care)

Framers = Authors of the Constitution

Founding Fathers = Those that laid the foundation for the start of the country, i.e. Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, etc.  (some Founding Fathers had nothing to do with the Constitution).

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You must be an Obama supporter.
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Re: Ruling lets stand school's Confederate flag ban
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2008, 07:47:10 AM »
You must be an Obama supporter.

Oh no he di-int?
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Re: Ruling lets stand school's Confederate flag ban
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2008, 03:58:27 PM »
sorry i offended. (altough i don't care)

Framers = Authors of the Constitution

Founding Fathers = Those that laid the foundation for the start of the country, i.e. Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, etc.  (some Founding Fathers had nothing to do with the Constitution).

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You must be an Obama supporter.

Well, whatever blows your skirt my friend.  I suppose if you want to use that politically correct, DemocratSocialist-inspired, definition of framer that's ok with me.  I've always refered to them as the Founding Fathers but Authors of the Constitution works for me; and I'm not changing my use of that word (framer) just because that's the term that the left-wingnut media uses (or those left-wing, Social Science professors) these days.

No, I'm not an Obama supporter (despite my mixed-race child); card-carrying, hard-right, Jesse Helms supporting (well before he retired, then died), Reagan-Republican here and proud of it!

By the bye, meant my comment as a friendly provocation, nothing more serious. 

Glad your posting and reading in the political forum!
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Re: Ruling lets stand school's Confederate flag ban
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2008, 06:30:08 PM »
it was all in sarcasm and good humor...no worries
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Re: Ruling lets stand school's Confederate flag ban
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2008, 07:01:43 PM »
it was all in sarcasm and good humor...no worries

He's really voting for The Obama.  That's how he rolls. 
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Re: Ruling lets stand school's Confederate flag ban
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2008, 04:20:21 PM »
I voting for Hussein O' just to prove to those dicks on that other message board that I'm not racist.
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Re: Ruling lets stand school's Confederate flag ban
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2008, 04:25:34 PM »
I voting for Hussein O' just to prove to those dicks on that other message board that I'm not racist.

What to vote those convictions. 
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