Alabama SGA Senate votes 27-5 to Keep Greek System Segregated

[AUChizad]

http://cw.ua.edu/2014/03/21/sga-senate-votes-to-end-resolution-supporting-greek-system-integration/

SGA Senate votes to end resolution supporting Greek system integration
At the final session of the 2013-14 SGA Senate, a proposed resolution in support for full integration of the University of Alabama Greek system was sent to committee instead of receiving a vote. As a result, the resolution died with the end of the Senate’s term.

Katie Smith, the lead sponsor and author of Resolution #R-XX-14, introduced the resolution to the floor, but per Senate rules, a period of technical questions followed, Chisholm Allenlundy, another sponsor of the resolution, said.

Allenlundy said that following the technical questions period, a senator moved for the resolution to be sent to committee. At the beginning of the meeting, Speaker of the Senate Cole Adams informed the senators that any legislation or resolutions that were not voted on would die because the next meeting of the Senate would be of the 2014-15 Senate.

“It was voted on tonight because this was our last senate meeting of the year,” Smith said. “Technically, my term of office is over. The speaker of the senate even said that since it is the last meeting, it will either pass or it won’t. Nothing will carry over to the next term. If we wanted to pass something tonight, we had to make a motion for immediate consideration.”

Allenlundy said that before the resolution could be considered for a vote or even debated, a senator moved for it to be sent to committee.

“When the technical questions phase came to a close, one of the senators asked, or made a motion, that the resolution be sent to committee knowing well that it would die in committee,” Allenlundy said. “That was followed by a little more debate, and then a roll call vote was held where – I don’t remember the exact count, but I know it was pretty overwhelmingly in favor of the resolution going to committee. So it died there.”

Of the senators in attendance, 27 senators voted yes to keep the bill from being voted on, 5 no, and 2 voted present.

Allenlundy said he thinks the resolution failed to pass because some of the Greek senators may have felt the wording was unfairly critical of the Greek system.

“I think ultimately the reason that it failed to pass was it gave the impression, I think maybe, that – to a lot of the senators – that maybe we were attempting to disparage the Greek community, you know, which wasn’t the case,” Allenlundy said. “Ultimately, the resolution was to just encourage further integration based on diversity, specifically racial diversity on our campus, which I think a lot of people would agree with.”

Allenlundy said he understands the hesitancy to pass such a resolution because people are divided over the issue of Greek integration, but he is disappointed because the resolution was never even brought to a vote or formally debated.

“Obviously, I would have liked to have seen it pass. I think it was important, more than anything, because of how quiet the Student Government Association has been on this whole issue throughout the year,” Allenlundy said. “Very few public comments were made on the part of the Student Government Association, and I think that sort of point to the larger cultural silence that our campus sometimes does sort of espouse, I suppose. More than anything that was just an effort to give the SGA a voice on this matter, and it was declined.”

The resolution can be rewritten and reintroduced during the next Senate’s term, which will begin after spring break, but the resolution that Smith introduced died with the vote to send it to committee.

“I think that this reflects our SGA poorly but also accurately,” Smith said. “I am not surprised. I don’t believe that I put anyone in a catch-22. They chose to vote on it and they chose to vote it down.”

[WiregrassTiger]

I thought everyone voted to deny your access as of this a.m. What happened?

[Snaggletiger]

I thought everyone voted to deny your access as of this a.m. What happened?

Give Tappy five

[DnATL]

So they are still excluding the Turks?

[AUChizad]

http://gawker.com/u-of-alabama-greeks-win-fight-for-their-right-to-be-ra-1550457536

U. of Alabama Greeks Win Fight For Their Right to Be Racist Dicks

Adam Weinstein

Today 4:01pm

Last summer, the University of Alabama campus was rocked by allegations that the fabled Greek scene was racist. Well, not allegations: The school's all-white sororities rejected two women because they weren't white. The school's student Senate had a chance to fix things. But last week, they said "fuck it."

A modest proposal encouraging Bama's fraternities and sororities not to discriminate or segregate on the basis of race died in the student Senate last week—after it was sunk by senators with Greek sympathies, according to several of the bill's sponsors.

"I think ultimately the reason that it failed to pass was it gave the impression, I think maybe, that – to a lot of the senators – that maybe we were attempting to disparage the Greek community, you know, which wasn't the case," Chisholm Allenlundy, an Alabama student who co-sponsored the measure, told the Crimson White, UA's school paper. "Ultimately, the resolution was to just encourage further integration based on diversity, specifically racial diversity on our campus, which I think a lot of people would agree with."

The proposed resolution was tame as hell; after decrying the school's longtime "stigma... regarding its legacy of segregation," it stated that "the Senate supports the complete integration of all Greek letter fraternities and sororities at the University of Alabama, with respect to social diversity among its membership."

Opponents used a parliamentary procedure to table the resolution before the Senate adjourned from its final meeting. 27 senators voted to kill the bill; 5 voted for it, and 2 voted "present," according to the Crimson White.

"I think that this reflects our SGA poorly but also accurately," Katie Smith, the resolution's lead sponsor, told the Crimson White. "I am not surprised. I don't believe that I put anyone in a catch-22. They chose to vote on it and they chose to vote it down."

In a fantastic and depressing exposé, the Crimson White reports that at least four traditionally white sororities at the University of Alabama had… Read…

It was that school paper that first broke the news last summer that the school's all-white sororities had rejected two uber-qualified pledges because they weren't up to racial snuff. Thus far, only one black woman and another multiracial student have gained acceptance to any of those sororities since the school's founding in 1831. (That latter pledge also didn't divulge that she was multiracial until she'd been accepted in her sorority's ranks.)

The University of Alabama takes Greek life very seriously; there are 56 fraternities and sororities on campus, and the school often tops "Best… Read…

In fairness to the University of Alabama's racially fraught Greek organizations, they also seem to like beating and humiliating white students.

And plenty of other campuses house fraternities that were begun by unrepentant Southern whites during reconstruction, or who share their beginnings with a secret society that formed the basis for the Ku Klux Klan. As I write this, one frat on the local campus in Tallahassee is preparing for its annual "Old South" ball by remaking its house into a fort, complete with cannonades.

Damn these liberal brainwashing campuses.

[AUTailgatingRules]

If you want to join a group that is all white, you should be able to.  If you want to join one that is all black, you should be able to.  If you want to join one that is mixed you should be able to.

None of those groups should be forced to look like the other.

[GH2001]

If you want to join a group that is all white, you should be able to.  If you want to join one that is all black, you should be able to.  If you want to join one that is mixed you should be able to.

None of those groups should be forced to look like the other.

And I get that. All true.

But should the school put up a wall not allowing it if thats what the organization and individuals want?

[AUChizad]

And I get that. All true.

But should the school put up a wall not allowing it if thats what the organization and individuals want?

Exactly. This proposal was not forcing white kids into black fraternities that didn't want to be there. Or vice versa.

It was simply a vote to not have it be institutionally segregated, and they voted against it. No justifying that.

[Saniflush]

Well you know they have been the leaders in a lot of things....

[GH2001]

Well you know they have been the leaders in a lot of things....

Ma'am you dropped your book. Ma'am....

[AU_Tiger_2000]

Well you know they have been the leaders in a lot of things....

Something I always wondered about this pic, why are the cops wearing construction hard hats?  I can understand that they may have expected some trouble, but are construction hard hats really that much of a help if people start chucking rocks at you if you're not carrying a riot shield or have some sort of face protection?

[WiregrassTiger]

Something I always wondered about this pic, why are the cops wearing construction hard hats?

I am not 100% certain but my guess is to protect their head.

[Snaggletiger]

I am not 100% certain but my guess is to protect their head.

I was thinking something along those lines.

[CCTAU]

Exactly. This proposal was not forcing white kids into black fraternities that didn't want to be there. Or vice versa.

It was simply a vote to not have it be institutionally segregated, and they voted against it. No justifying that.

If that is the case, then why bring it up or vote on it in the first place?


If no one is being discriminated against, then what is the issue here? Who got all butt hurt over a non issue?


That is the problem with white guilt. Always looking to make amends when there is no reason to. And now the outrage over the vote. This was another issue that wasn't...

[AUTailgatingRules]

It was simply a vote to not have it be institutionally segregated, and they voted against it. No justifying that.

It's never all they want.  Next step is forced integration and guotas.

[AUChizad]

It's never all they want.  Next step is forced integration and guotas.

No.

[WiregrassTiger]

It's never all they want.  Next step is forced integration and guotas.

Is a Guota anything like a chimichanga? It may not be such a bad thing after all.

[AUTailgatingRules]

No.

How do you know?

Do you really think that if a white frat wants to invite a black guy to join that they are currently forbidden from doing so?

The only reason to vote on something like this is to open the door for the next step, whatever that might be

[CCTAU]

How do you know?

Do you really think that if a white frat wants to invite a black guy to join that they are currently forbidden from doing so?

The only reason to vote on something like this is to open the door for the next step, whatever that might be

I did not read where this stemmed from any discrimination issues or problems. It was just somebody trying to right a perceived wrong that did not exist. And the "educated" people just fell all over themselves with outrage over this. There are many issues in this world that NEED addressing. This was not one of them. And while I would love to laugh at the bamturds on this, I just see it as another waste of time.


A white guy can join a black frat and a black guy can join a white frat. So no issue exists here, except in somebody's mind.

[AUChizad]

I did not read where this stemmed from any discrimination issues or problems. It was just somebody trying to right a perceived wrong that did not exist. And the "educated" people just fell all over themselves with outrage over this. There are many issues in this world that NEED addressing. This was not one of them. And while I would love to laugh at the bamturds on this, I just see it as another waste of time.


A white guy can join a black frat and a black guy can join a white frat. So no issue exists here, except in somebody's mind.

You guys are very selective readers.

The article starts with these paragraphs.

Last summer, the University of Alabama campus was rocked by allegations that the fabled Greek scene was racist. Well, not allegations: The school's all-white sororities rejected two women because they weren't white. The school's student Senate had a chance to fix things. But last week, they said "fuck it."

A modest proposal encouraging Bama's fraternities and sororities not to discriminate or segregate on the basis of race died in the student Senate last week—after it was sunk by senators with Greek sympathies, according to several of the bill's sponsors.