HUNH May Be Killed

[AUJarhead]

We ran zero plays within the ten second window that they're thinking of opening up for defensive substitution.

Not true.  Had this rule been used during the bowl game, we would have been flagged twice for it.

[JR4AU]

This isn't the point with most of us. It's the fact that they will be able to substitute and HUNH teams will lose the advantage of tiring out the DL. I think it is a big deal for that reason alone.

I didn't read all how many every pages, but got the gist.  Saban can choke on a bag of dicks  Fucking crybaby fucker.  This would be historic in scope if it passes.  Maybe few plays are run in the 10 sec window.  Big fucking deal.  Point is, they can be if you want to.  I have heard this potential rule change discussed over and over, and have yet to hear anybody remind us that the current rules already allow the ref to hold the ball for play to allow the defense to sub if the offense subs.  Maybe already noted in this thread.  Why the fuck should he defense be able to sub if the offense hasn't?  Can't do that in basketball.  If you have the ball you can call timeout if you need to sub that bad in b-ball.  This is pure and simple a way to erode the advantage that the offense has enjoyed since the dawn of football time...the ability to know exactly when the ball will be snapped.   It's only been in recent years that the offense have chosen to take advantage of that advantage in the way the HUNH does.  NO data supports the "safety issue" argument.  NONE.  It's fucking whining and moaning by defensive coaches that are tired of having to adapt, and want the ability to play specialized defense.  You know how you stop the HUNH?  You line up in a sound base defense that your players don't have to think to much about, and play gap sound and coverage sound.  HUNH offenses are incredibly basic scheme-wise.  Auburn ran the inside zone play 60% + of the time this year.   We gashed bammer 3 times straight in one possession of the IB running the tried and true counter trey.   


I've heard coaches all my life talk about how their team is going to out last the other in the 4th Q.  Well Saban...your vaunted off season program, and maybe your thoughts on the recruitment of certain types of players on defense needs to  adapt.  Defenses had to change schematically to stop the wishbone, and they changed the type of personnel and schemes when Spurrier started throwing the ball all over the yard.  So Saban, quit crying, adapt, and coach.  Pretty simple stuff really.

[AUChizad]

Not true.  Had this rule been used during the bowl game, we would have been flagged twice for it.

I.E. "Not that much".

Considering that we weren't playing under those rules, I suspect the whole two plays where it would have affected our offense could have been run a little faster.

Again, though, that's not the point. The point is 1) Saban has way way way too much power and 2) The NCAA is ruining football to the point where any bullshit allegation of safety, no matter how unsubstantiated and not based in fact whatsoever is enough to make major changes to the game.

[WiregrassTiger]

I.E. "Not that much".

Considering that we weren't playing under those rules, I suspect the whole two plays where it would have affected our offense could have been run a little faster.

Again, though, that's not the point. The point is 1) Saban has way way way too much power and 2) The NCAA is ruining football to the point where any bullshoot allegation of safety, no matter how unsubstantiated and not based in fact whatsoever is enough to make major changes to the game.

The talk of this rule only affecting a limited number of plays is not correct, imo. The effect of this rule (were it applied last season) wouldn't pertain to only the plays that we snapped faster than the 10 seconds. It applies to every offensive snap that we did not substitute on. That's where the biggest impact is. It's not about the timing of the snaps, it's about the ability to substitute. That's also one huge advantage that Gus takes advantage of with mismatches, out of position players and tired players.

No matter how this is spun, it would hurt us and help Bama.

[Tiger Wench]

No matter how this is spun, it would hurt us and help Bama.

Al I need to know...

[War Eagle!!!]

After reading and listening and thinking about the rule change, I don't think the actual rule change is a big deal for us at all. 

We ran zero plays within the ten second window that they're thinking of opening up for defensive substitution.  We also substitute a good bit throughout the game.  Further, if defenses are trying to run guys on and off the field within ten seconds and get them lined up correctly as the ball is being snapped, I actually think that would benefit the offense more than the defense.

It will be a big deal for no huddle offenses. One of the reasons Gus was effective is because when he found something in the defense, he exploited it. It may not have happened every series, but there are times when an opponent is in nickle or dime and Gus calls a run. We pick up yardage and he wants it again...With the old rules, the defense has to pretty much stay in their personel package until there is an offensive substitution. It doesn't matter if they snap it with 35 seconds left to go on the play clock, or 5 seconds. It's the threat of the offense snapping that prevents the defense from substituting.

Also, Gus likes to get on the ball and make the defense get in their positions. He may not snap the ball immediately, but the defensive players have to bust there ass back to their starting positions just in case. If the defense knows that there is 10 seconds before anything can happen, then they can relax a bit. Gus doesn't like any mother fucker being able to relax.

This is all bullshit and it will effect the strategy for Auburn...

[AUChizad]

http://www.nola.com/lsu/index.ssf/2014/02/saban_backdoors_the_rest_of_co.html

New Orleans media ripping Saban's asshole apart as well.

Saban backdoors the rest of college football: Ron's Fast Break

Nick Saban will talk to anyone who will listen about changing defensive substitution rules to slow no-huddle, fastbreak offenses (Chris Granger, Nola.com | The Times-Picayune)

Ron Higgins, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune

February 17, 2014 at 11:08 AM

It's not surprising that Alabama football coach Nick Saban tried to run a backdoor play by quietly meeting with the NCAA football rules committee in Indianapolis recently.

What's shocking is he didn't try to persuade the committee to propose a ban preventing missed field goals from being returned.

Can I have a rimshot please? Thank you, you're a great audience. Stick around for my late show.

Seriously, Saban's clandestine meet with the committee, resulting in successfully persuading it to propose a defensive substitution rule that would slow down no-huddle, uptempo offenses, shouldn't raise eyebrows.

The Nicktator has been complaining about this since coaches Kevin Sumlin of Texas A&M and Hugh Freeze of Ole Miss showed up in the SEC two seasons ago. Their frenetic pace of play was apparently too uncomfortable for Saban's extremely talented defenses to handle at times.

Saban surely got completely pushed over the edge last year when no-huddle-lovin' Gus Malzahn set up shop nearby as Auburn's coach, and came within seconds of guiding the Tigers to the BCS national championship.

The rules committee proposal, which must be approved by the playing rules oversight panel that meets March 6 and would be effective in the upcoming season, would allow defensive players to substitute within the first 10 seconds of the 40-second play clock, except for the final two minutes of each half.

Offenses snapping the ball before 29 seconds remain on the play clock would receive a 5-yard delay-of-game penalty.

Current rules state that defensive players aren't guaranteed the opportunity to substitute unless the offense first substitutes. Under the proposal, this policy would remain when the play clock starts at 25 seconds.

The constant argument of Saban, Arkansas' coach Bret Bielema and other coaches that don't like defending no-huddle is that the lack of the right to substitute defensively causes fatigue that leads to increased injuries.

The instantaneous reply of coaches like Freeze is, "Where's the data that proves this?"

Actually, there is none supporting Saban and his cronies who want to slow play Sumlin, Freeze and other coaches like Arizona's Rich Rodriguez who enjoy playing fast-break football.

Interestingly enough, there is data on a website called cfbmatrix.com that supports the fastbreak coaches more so than the slowhands like Saban, Bielema and the rest of the steady-as-she-goes crew.

Dave Bartoo, a 42-year old who works in bank and credit union mergers, is an analytical expert who apparently spends all his free time breaking down college football.

Some of the things Bartoo found studying injuries in relation to pace of play blows Saban's and Bielema's argument out of the boat.

A smidgen of Bartoo's data revealed:

    From 2010-2012, Saban's Alabama teams and Bielema's Wisconsin teams (before he came to Arkansas last season) were both in the bottom 10 nationally of plays per game generated on offense and faced on defense. Saban and Bielema lost a combined 95 starts to injury, with 44 of those, less than half, on defense.
    From 2010-2012 Alabama lost a total of 30 starts to injury.  Twenty-one of those were players on Alabama's bottom five slow pace of play offense. The nine games that Alabama defensive players lost to injury in that three-year period was the lowest total on any defense of teams that automatically qualified to play in a BCS bowl.
    The other five teams (before league expansion) in the SEC West, that all played against the physical and methodically punishing Alabama offense, averaged 25.2 starts lost to injury over the same time period.
    From 2009-2010 an SEC team played in an average of 162 snaps per game.  In 2011-2012 the average dropped to 160.  In spite of the slower pace, SEC teams lost 184 more starts to injury from 2011-2012 than they did in 2009-2010.  Exactly 55% of the '11-'12 starts lost were on offense.

So considering all this, will the rules oversight committee send the message to Saban and other coaches sharing his view that their argument has no legs? They should shoot down the proposal, shouldn't they?

What has made most coaches hot under their whistles is this proposal was never discussed during last month's American Football Coaches of Association convention.

Not one peep. Nothing.

Bielema was at the rules committee meeting in Indianapolis as a representative of the American Football Coaches Association.

Saban was there representing Saban.

In Saban's heart, he truly believes the reasons for his concern, his willingness to fight the good fight.

But to most of college football, it appears extremely self-serving.

[AUChizad]

By the way, Finebaum is spinning the ever-loving shit out of this.

Paraphrasing, but basically he said that everyone wants to blame Saban, but the bottom line is he's the most influential and prestigious mind in college football, so the NCAA rules committee reached out to him and asked him to write a letter pleading his case. It was so impressive that they asked him to join the meeting. He didn't want to attend, but begrudgingly, he did.

Ppppfffffffttttt. What a steaming pile of bullshit. The spin job is truly a spectacle to behold.

Never mind that the NCAA coordinator of officials Rogers Redding and rules chairman Troy Calhoun both said Saban specifically asked to meet with committee and they in NO WAY reached out to him. Finebaum is angrily shouting down anyone who dare challenge him on his "sources".

[GH2001]

It will be a big deal for no huddle offenses. One of the reasons Gus was effective is because when he found something in the defense, he exploited it. It may not have happened every series, but there are times when an opponent is in nickle or dime and Gus calls a run. We pick up yardage and he wants it again...With the old rules, the defense has to pretty much stay in their personel package until there is an offensive substitution. It doesn't matter if they snap it with 35 seconds left to go on the play clock, or 5 seconds. It's the threat of the offense snapping that prevents the defense from substituting.

Also, Gus likes to get on the ball and make the defense get in their positions. He may not snap the ball immediately, but the defensive players have to bust there ass back to their starting positions just in case. If the defense knows that there is 10 seconds before anything can happen, then they can relax a bit. Gus doesn't like any mother fucker being able to relax.

This is all bullshit and it will effect the strategy for Auburn...

This post ^^. All of it.

[AUownsU]

Saban is a pussy. That is all.

[bottomfeeder]

Pinched -n- Pasted from Mark Bradley @ teh ajc. I am a gay twerker that has no balls!!!!  I also have no idea how to use the quote function to post stories, so I annoy the piss out of others.  I like male genatalia in and around my mouth.


We’re about to see if Nick Saban really does run college football.

This guy runs college football.

[JR4AU]

It will be a big deal for no huddle offenses. One of the reasons Gus was effective is because when he found something in the defense, he exploited it. It may not have happened every series, but there are times when an opponent is in nickle or dime and Gus calls a run. We pick up yardage and he wants it again...With the old rules, the defense has to pretty much stay in their personel package until there is an offensive substitution. It doesn't matter if they snap it with 35 seconds left to go on the play clock, or 5 seconds. It's the threat of the offense snapping that prevents the defense from substituting.

Also, Gus likes to get on the ball and make the defense get in their positions. He may not snap the ball immediately, but the defensive players have to bust there ass back to their starting positions just in case. If the defense knows that there is 10 seconds before anything can happen, then they can relax a bit. Gus doesn't like any mother fucker being able to relax.

This is all bullshit and it will effect the strategy for Auburn...

Yep

[Tiger Wench]

I think it's funny that the coach who is the guru of the HUNH, the coach whose implementation of the HUHN has chapped Sabbinz ass twice, the man himself...

Ain't sayin a word. Just sitting back, chomping fast on some Dubble Bubble, and grinning like the mad genius he is while others do all the talking for him.

Like John Carvallho said - Saban has finally given all the other coaches the perfect opportunity to vent their true feelings about him, his heavy handedness, his flouting of the rules, his assholishness, etc.

[AUChizad]

I think it's funny that the coach who is the guru of the HUNH, the coach whose implementation of the HUHN has chapped Sabbinz ass twice, the man himself...

Ain't sayin a word. Just sitting back, chomping fast on some Dubble Bubble, and grinning like the mad genius he is while others do all the talking for him.

Like John Carvallho said - Saban has finally given all the other coaches the perfect opportunity to vent their true feelings about him, his heavy handedness, his flouting of the rules, his assholishness, etc.

Gus breaks his silence:
http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2014/02/watch_auburns_gus_malzahn_offe.html

[Tiger Wench]

Gus breaks his silence:
http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2014/02/watch_auburns_gus_malzahn_offe.html

OH HOW I LOVE COACH GUS.

"The only way to change a rule in an off year is for health or safety and since there is no evidence that this is a health or safety issue, it should be tabled until next year." 

BOOM!

And he was unaware that this was being brought before the committee.  Sneaky bastards.

Didn't rise to the obvious attempts to get him to bash Saban. 

[noxin]

After a short 10 second pause, Gus stated, "The only way to change a rule in an off year is for health or safety and since there is no evidence that this is a health or safety issue, it should be tabled until next year." 

[Buzz Killington]

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[AUChizad]

From ESPN's Bret McMurphy via Twitter.

Troy Calhoun, chairman of rules committee on 10-second proposal: "Only way should be a rule is if it’s a safety rule"

Troy Calhoun: “If (safety reasons are) speculative, shouldn’t be a rule"

Troy Calhoun: “Is there a legitimate safety concern, let’s address it. If not, there should be no (10 second) rule"

[WiregrassTiger]

From ESPN's Bret McMurphy via Twitter.

I hope you're a tweetin' this up. Public opinion in our favor can't hurt.

[wesfau2]

I hope you're a tweetin' this up. Public opinion in our favor can't hurt.

You dare question Chizzy's twatters??

That's a good way to get in a battle.