Missouri DE Michael Sam Announces He is Gay

[Ogre]

I am trying my hardest to stay on point and not delve off into a macro-evolution vs creationism debate, so I'll leave that alone for now.

And another thing? As I've alluded to, homosexually being a "choice" is only even imaginable to a person who himself made a conscious "choice" to be straight. As if it's 50/50.

"I could either have sex with women, get married, have a family, live a relatively socially acceptable and easy life, OR I could CHOOSE to only suck richard and get buttfudgeed until my dying day. It's really a toss-up, but I'm gonna go with the sex with women thing, because Jesus prefers that one."

If that makes sense to you, guess what? You're gay.

Yoda's old college roommate and best friend is gay.  What they did behind closed doors is not for me to speculate.  However, as their next-door neighbor I was there when he came out of the closet in 2002.  I spent a lot of time with him picking his brain on when he knew he was gay and all that came along with his decision to finally give in.

Prior to coming out he'd had a girlfriend for 4 years.  Granted, she was crazy as hell so if anything she probably helped prod him the other direction.  But he told me that he knew he was different in elementary school.  He knew he was attracted to boys at an early age and it wasn't something he wanted.  He tried to change himself.  It's not something he wanted for himself.  The guilt and shame he felt because of this is unimaginable.  But the way you treat someone who is overcome with guilt and shame is not by putting more guilt and shame on them. 

I've read the Bible a few times now, and I don't think Jesus would be picketing a gay pride parade.  That's what the Pharisees would do.  From a Christian perspective (and we fail miserably as a group at this) we are to love and serve our friends in the gay community.  They are sinners.  That puts them on even ground with you and me.  Romans 3:23 says ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.  The issue with many Christians is that they dislike the sin of homosexuality more than they dislike their own sin.  That's not to say that they shouldn't ultimately be called to repentance.  Eventually it becomes a matter of allegiance.  Am I going to be allegiant to God or allegiant to my sin?  But someone won't be open to a true relationship with their Creator if all those who profess him as Lord heap nothing but guilt, shame and scorn on them.  I need grace, just like they do.  And the great news is that grace is provided if it's sought.

[CCTAU]

Until you can prove it, it is not true. Just because some scientists want you to believe that theory is the ultimate hyperbola, meaning it is so close it has to touch, but never will, does not mean it is true. In the case of evolution, they cannot account for missing periods. Which makes this a subjective truth, or a hyperbola, if you will. The watchmaker's theory is just as valid.

Science has become an interesting thing. It's kinda like democrats and politics!

AUCHizad is a dick sucking fag. Now if AUCHizad can prove he doesn't suck dick, then my theory is invalid. But if he cannot prove it, then it is truth!

[Kaos]

White girls can marry and procreate with black guys.  It's a private matter.  But at one point in time, it was courageous for participating in that type of relationship out in the open.  People gave them a hard time.  Some people said it was unnatural.  Some said it was unholy.  That God never meant for races to mix.  Some ridiculed them.  Some even physically harmed them.

The fact is - interracial couples were taking a risk by admitting to and publicly participating in such a relationship.  It's the exact same story today with gay people. 

Sieg heil!

Those equal rights are being demanded solely for what goes on in their private homes.  Not all of them are running around in S&M outfits and sucking richard in public.  The majority of them are just sitting at home enjoying 99% of the things you and I enjoy.  It just so happens that they feel attracted to a member of the same sex and have found someone who reciprocates that attraction. 

I could turn on NFL Network today and see a player being interviewed.  The journalist could ask, "What're your plans for this offseason?"  He could say, "My girlfriend and I decided got married last week, and in a few weeks, we're going to spend a few hundred thousands dollars on a honeymoon in some exotic third world country that has a few pristine places to cater to our wants and desires." 

No one would bat an eye. 

Turn on NFL Network and they ask a different player the same question.  He says, "Well, my partner and I got married last week, and we plan on spending out honeymoon volunteering in a third world country who needs a lot of help."

And there would be a large portion of America's population that would kill the guy if they could get away with it.

There are a lot of mosquitos. Doesn't give them any insight.

The "majority" of which you speak doesn't exist. What you have instead is a vast number of people who say one thing for fear of being ostracized by the "enlightened" and think another.

The "enlightened" are morons.

You can't demand equal rights for something that should be kept private  that's the issue here. 

And by the way? In the rules of Internet warfare the first party to invoke Hitler is the automatic loser. It's clearly established that the use of hitler or nazi comparisons indicates an argument that has no substance and bows to hysteria in an effort to hide that.

Therefore. I win

[CCTAU]

I've read the Bible a few times now, and I don't think Jesus would be picketing a gay pride parade.  That's what the Pharisees would do.  From a Christian perspective (and we fail miserably as a group at this) we are to love and serve our friends in the gay community.  They are sinners.  That puts them on even ground with you and me.  Romans 3:23 says ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.  The issue with many Christians is that they dislike the sin of homosexuality more than they dislike their own sin.  That's not to say that they shouldn't ultimately be called to repentance.  Eventually it becomes a matter of allegiance.  Am I going to be allegiant to God or allegiant to my sin?  But someone won't be open to a true relationship with their Creator if all those who profess him as Lord heap nothing but guilt, shame and scorn on them.  I need grace, just like they do.  And the great news is that grace is provided if it's sought.

That is an excellent way to put it. However, that is like only preaching the love and not the consequences. Hell is real, do not ignore it. homosexuality is sin, do not ignore it.

But in today's world, if you say gay is a sin, you get treated like a hateful pariah. It doesn't matter that a couple of sentences ago you stated all of the other sins listed it the bible. By God you tried judge and send all gays to hell.

It is a sin, just as other things are. To ignore that for the sake of someones feeling is a betrayal of the truth. If a man is cheating on his wife and you know it, should you avoid the subject of adultery just so he won't get his feelings hurt?

[WiregrassTiger]

 I am having a difficult time understanding how and when all of you started liking to suck rooster. I mean, I don't doubt it. I could tell this place had its fair share of the gays but didn't know it was this rampant.

[War Eagle!!!]

I am trying my hardest to stay on point and not delve off into a macro-evolution vs creationism debate, so I'll leave that alone for now.

Yoda's old college roommate and best friend is gay.  What they did behind closed doors is not for me to speculate.  However, as their next-door neighbor I was there when he came out of the closet in 2002.  I spent a lot of time with him picking his brain on when he knew he was gay and all that came along with his decision to finally give in.

Prior to coming out he'd had a girlfriend for 4 years.  Granted, she was crazy as hell so if anything she probably helped prod him the other direction.  But he told me that he knew he was different in elementary school.  He knew he was attracted to boys at an early age and it wasn't something he wanted.  He tried to change himself.  It's not something he wanted for himself.  The guilt and shame he felt because of this is unimaginable.  But the way you treat someone who is overcome with guilt and shame is not by putting more guilt and shame on them. 

I've read the Bible a few times now, and I don't think Jesus would be picketing a gay pride parade.  That's what the Pharisees would do.  From a Christian perspective (and we fail miserably as a group at this) we are to love and serve our friends in the gay community.  They are sinners.  That puts them on even ground with you and me.  Romans 3:23 says ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.  The issue with many Christians is that they dislike the sin of homosexuality more than they dislike their own sin.  That's not to say that they shouldn't ultimately be called to repentance.  Eventually it becomes a matter of allegiance.  Am I going to be allegiant to God or allegiant to my sin?  But someone won't be open to a true relationship with their Creator if all those who profess him as Lord heap nothing but guilt, shame and scorn on them.  I need grace, just like they do.  And the great news is that grace is provided if it's sought.

So it is a sin but he has always been created that way?

[Godfather]

[Vandy Vol]

I don't really give a rats ass what you decide to hammer with. Just don't try to convince me it is a hammer if it is not.

You've had gay people try to convince you that their asshole was a pussy?

[Buzz Killington]

You've had gay people try to convince you that their asshole was a pussy?

Well, if you close your eyes and just go for....um, I mean, that's disgusting.

[Vandy Vol]

Don't tell me it's a personal choice and people can do what they want in private and in the next breath laud somebody for "coming out" and call them courageous for talking publicly about this thing that was supposed to be private.

Not sure who you're talking to...I never lauded anyone or called them courageous.

Tell yourself whatever you have to in order to console yourself and feel "enlightened."  Fact remains that gayness is a deviation from the norm. It's a perversion of the natural order. It's sick. It's not something to be celebrated, honored, applauded, accepted or promoted.

What's the "natural order" and why is this a deviation?  Is the "natural order" penis + vagina = child, therefore penis only goes in vagina?  If so, my previous points still stand...why allow heterosexual anal and oral sex?  Why allow the introduction of unnatural devices and surgeries that affect the "natural order" and the "normal purpose" of dicks and slicks?  Why not angrily claim that these are deviations from the natural order and that no one should ever be allowed to speak about them because you don't want to hear about aberrant behaviors between heterosexuals?

If this guy thinks it's okay to put his pecker in another dude's butt and he can find another dude willing to engage in that perversion in private then that's fine.  Same with RWS and his goats. Same with people whose wives let them spunk on their feet or in their hair. Same for dudes who can only get happy wearing a diaper or a coonskin cap.  It becomes my problem and my business when those people feel the need to talk openly about it and demand equal rights for coonskin cap wearers.

Well, once more, I never stated that it was fabulous that they're making it known to the public.  However, they do have the right to free speech.  You should be pissed at the media for making a big deal out of what they say, rather than pissed at a person for exercising a right that they have.

[Snaggletiger]

Life was harsh in early Old Testament times. The wanderings and struggle for survival of the Israelites did not permit prisons or rehabilitation. Anyone who deviated seriously from the norm was either stoned to death or exiled. The Old Testament prescribed the death penalty for the crimes of murder, attacking or cursing a parent, kidnapping, failure to confine a dangerous animal resulting in death, witchcraft and sorcery, sex with an animal, doing work on the Sabbath, incest, adultery, homosexual acts, prostitution by a priest's daughter, blasphemy, false prophecy, perjury in capital cases and false claim of a woman's virginity at the time of marriage. christianbiblereference.org

I consider myself a Christian...one that needs a ton of work.  However, the above statement comes from a piece that points out so many of our perceptions of "right and wrong" according to the Bible, have to be taken in light of the times in which they were written.  Corinthians tells us to be kind to our slaves.  Are you going to take that literally or use the parts of the Bible that suit your argument?   Many of the terms used (Those used in actually writing the Bible) to reference homosexual acts, are in reality translated to describe things going on during that time, for example, men having young boys as sex slaves.  The bottom line is if you strayed from what was considered the norm, it was an "abomination"...a sin...and you could very well be put to death.

Now having said that, my personal view is that there is a big difference in someone who truly is emotionally, physically and sexually attracted to the same sex and someone who decides to "experiment" in bisexuality.  That is a choice.  Is it right or wrong?  Don't know and don't care.  Just pointing out that someone who is secure in knowing who they are and decides to tryout for the other team is making a choice.  It's not a choice for someone who has lived their entire life knowing they were attracted to the same sex in the exact same way I am attracted to a woman.  I don't need science to prove anything to me with regard to that and I don't need anyone interpreting the Bible for me to tell me someone is going to hell, especially when they faced the same punishment for working on Sunday as they did for screwing farm animals.

       

[WiregrassTiger]

Life was harsh in early Old Testament times. The wanderings and struggle for survival of the Israelites did not permit prisons or rehabilitation. Anyone who deviated seriously from the norm was either stoned to death or exiled. The Old Testament prescribed the death penalty for the crimes of murder, attacking or cursing a parent, kidnapping, failure to confine a dangerous animal resulting in death, witchcraft and sorcery, sex with an animal, doing work on the Sabbath, incest, adultery, homosexual acts, prostitution by a priest's daughter, blasphemy, false prophecy, perjury in capital cases and false claim of a woman's virginity at the time of marriage. christianbiblereference.org

I consider myself a Christian...one that needs a ton of work.  However, the above statement comes from a piece that points out so many of our perceptions of "right and wrong" according to the Bible, have to be taken in light of the times in which they were written.  Corinthians tells us to be kind to our slaves.  Are you going to take that literally or use the parts of the Bible that suit your argument?   Many of the terms used (Those used in actually writing the Bible) to reference homosexual acts, are in reality translated to describe things going on during that time, for example, men having young boys as sex slaves.  The bottom line is if you strayed from what was considered the norm, it was an "abomination"...a sin...and you could very well be put to death.

Now having said that, my personal view is that there is a big difference in someone who truly is emotionally, physically and sexually attracted to the same sex and someone who decides to "experiment" in bisexuality.  That is a choice.  Is it right or wrong?  Don't know and don't care.  Just pointing out that someone who is secure in knowing who they are and decides to tryout for the other team is making a choice.  It's not a choice for someone who has lived their entire life knowing they were attracted to the same sex in the exact same way I am attracted to a woman.  I don't need science to prove anything to me with regard to that and I don't need anyone interpreting the Bible for me to tell me someone is going to hell, especially when they faced the same punishment for working on Sunday as they did for screwing farm animals.

       

TL,DR .....Just get to it. Did you just come out of the closet too?

[CCTAU]

and I don't need anyone interpreting the Bible for me to tell me someone is going to hell, especially when they faced the same punishment for working on Sunday as they did for screwing farm animals.   

If you are gonna get all Biblically technical on us, that would have been a Saturday back then. J/S

[noxin]

Anyone who deviated seriously from the norm was either stoned to death

Now Kalvarez Bessent is gay?

[Godfather]

You've had gay people try to convince you that their asshole was a pussy?

Well in his defense it was very dark and the amount of hair around it made it seem....well

[Godfather]

Now Kalvarez Bessent is gay?

If he goes to federal prison he might wish he was.

[Saniflush]

Now having said that, my personal view is that there is a big difference in someone who truly is emotionally, physically and sexually attracted to the same sex and someone who decides to "experiment" in bisexuality. 
 

Been my experience I've heard that most women are just one line of blow from their first/next lesbian experience.

[Godfather]

Been my experience I've heard that most women are just one line of blow from their first/next lesbian experience.

That and sex with Ogre.

[Snaggletiger]

Been my experience I've heard that most women are just one line of blow from their first/next lesbian experience.

And I want to watch...as long as they don't look like two basketball coaches.

[The Six]