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Once in a generation talent...
« on: January 28, 2014, 10:55:51 AM »
Saw a thread over on SEC Rant where those dimbulbs were debating "once in a generation" type talent that's come through the SEC. 

What shocked me were the Arkansas fools arguing passionately for Darren McFadden.  Once in a generation?  Really?  There's a McFadden level player somewhere in the SEC every single year.

Bama fans were stumping for Julio.  SERIOUSLY?  That caveman in a suit had a number of contemporaries that were at least as good or better than he was.  Alshon, AJ Greene come to mind.  That's not once in a generation.  Nor were their other efforts: Ingram, Lacy, Richardson, Croyle or McTatthole.  Some said Namath and/or Stabler and those are probably as close as they're going to get. 

Ole Miss people throwing around Eli and that linebacker dude whose name I can't even remember.  What a freaking joke.

LSU trying to claim Patrick Peterson as one.  Hell, Cam ran over, under, through, by and past him.  "Once in a generation players" don't get schooled like that. 

South Carolina people pushing Clowney.  One good play. Period.

Peyton wasn't even "once in a generation" talent at Tennessee.

If you ask me, which you didn't but I'm going to offer it anyway, there are only a handful of players who fit the "once in a generation" mold.  In my lifetime the following would be qualifiers:

Herschel Walker
Bo Jackson
Tim Tebow
Tracy Rocker
Cornelius Bennett
Emmit Smith
Cam Newton
Johnny Manziel

Since Bo did everything Herschel did and did it better, I think you can cross Herschel off the list.  Can't be "once a generation" if somebody is better than you at the same time. Emmit never quite measured up to Bo so that's it for him.

Rocker was great, but defensively Bennett was one of the best college linebackers I ever saw.  Hated him, but he was a different breed (much like Lawrence Taylor was in the NFL).

Cam did everything Tebow did but twice as well.  So Tebow gets crossed off. 

You could argue that Manziel bested Cam by having two years of great stats, but Manziel wasn't really a transcendent player like Cam was.  He didn't make his team substantially better or elevate the program.

So the only three left that really work for me are Bo, Cam and Bennett. 
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Re: Once in a generation talent...
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2014, 12:18:19 PM »
Jake Holland is (hopefully) a once in a generation type player as well.
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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2014, 01:19:34 PM »
I saw two threads over there concerning this subject.  One was a "Once in a generation for your team" thread and the other was for the whole SEC.

I only read the first two pages of the "whole SEC" one, but it looked pretty unanimous that Cam was the only choice with some arguing that Walker (legit) and Manziel (also legit) were worthy candidates. 

The other thread had each team arguing who their top one or two players were.  Eli Manning and Patrick Willis would both be once in a generation type talent for Ole Miss.  No argument there.

For me, I see "once in a generation" as a player that is heads above everyone else in talent and skill in a way that evolves the position.  Pretty much, every position could have a once in a generation player and some positions would have multiple players.

For quarterback, Cam Newton is a once in a generation player because he's the first quarterback to ever both run and pass in the manner that he did.  Not only was he elusive, fast, and accurate, he was one of the largest quarterbacks to ever play the game giving him a size advantage over every defensive player except defensive tackles and run stopping defensive ends. 

But he wasn't chaotic or wild in his play.  He played the read option very well.  He drove the line of scrimmage.  He threw the ball with good timing.  Where Cam Newton was precise, Johnny Manziel was innovative.

So now I'd say Johnny Manziel was a once in a generation type of talent.  When's the last time we've seen a quarterback that can perform snowboarding stunts prior to throwing a 30 yard pass accurately?  Name another quarterback that can elude pass rushers in a quickly collapsing pocket, juke a linebacker, then outrun the fast cornerback?  Manziel is a once in a generation player. 

You could say the same about running backs.  Bo Jackson was a once in a generation talent.  Sheer size, power, and speed.  He was unstoppable.  I'd say that a guy like Reggie Bush - though not in the SEC - was a once in a generation talent at running back because he can catch, return punts, kickoffs, and juke just about anybody.  So Bo and Reggie are completely different players with different skill sets and are both in the vicinity of a generation, but they are both once in a generation talent at running back. 
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Re: Once in a generation talent...
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2014, 01:59:46 PM »
Saw a thread over on SEC Rant where those dimbulbs were debating "once in a generation" type talent that's come through the SEC. 

What shocked me were the Arkansas fools arguing passionately for Darren McFadden.  Once in a generation?  Really?  There's a McFadden level player somewhere in the SEC every single year.

Bama fans were stumping for Julio.  SERIOUSLY?  That caveman in a suit had a number of contemporaries that were at least as good or better than he was.  Alshon, AJ Greene come to mind.  That's not once in a generation.  Nor were their other efforts: Ingram, Lacy, Richardson, Croyle or McTatthole.  Some said Namath and/or Stabler and those are probably as close as they're going to get. 

Ole Miss people throwing around Eli and that linebacker dude whose name I can't even remember.  What a freaking joke.

LSU trying to claim Patrick Peterson as one.  Hell, Cam ran over, under, through, by and past him.  "Once in a generation players" don't get schooled like that. 

South Carolina people pushing Clowney.  One good play. Period.

Peyton wasn't even "once in a generation" talent at Tennessee.

If you ask me, which you didn't but I'm going to offer it anyway, there are only a handful of players who fit the "once in a generation" mold.  In my lifetime the following would be qualifiers:

Herschel Walker
Bo Jackson
Tim Tebow
Tracy Rocker
Cornelius Bennett
Emmit Smith
Cam Newton
Johnny Manziel

Since Bo did everything Herschel did and did it better, I think you can cross Herschel off the list.  Can't be "once a generation" if somebody is better than you at the same time. Emmit never quite measured up to Bo so that's it for him.

Rocker was great, but defensively Bennett was one of the best college linebackers I ever saw.  Hated him, but he was a different breed (much like Lawrence Taylor was in the NFL).

Cam did everything Tebow did but twice as well.  So Tebow gets crossed off. 

You could argue that Manziel bested Cam by having two years of great stats, but Manziel wasn't really a transcendent player like Cam was. He didn't make his team substantially better or elevate the program.

So the only three left that really work for me are Bo, Cam and Bennett.

But I think he did. And we will see that soon.
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Re: Once in a generation talent...
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2014, 11:21:31 AM »
Saw a thread over on SEC Rant where those dimbulbs were debating "once in a generation" type talent that's come through the SEC. 

What shocked me were the Arkansas fools arguing passionately for Darren McFadden.  Once in a generation?  Really?  There's a McFadden level player somewhere in the SEC every single year.

Bama fans were stumping for Julio.  SERIOUSLY?  That caveman in a suit had a number of contemporaries that were at least as good or better than he was.  Alshon, AJ Greene come to mind.  That's not once in a generation.  Nor were their other efforts: Ingram, Lacy, Richardson, Croyle or McTatthole.  Some said Namath and/or Stabler and those are probably as close as they're going to get. 

Ole Miss people throwing around Eli and that linebacker dude whose name I can't even remember.  What a freaking joke.

LSU trying to claim Patrick Peterson as one.  Hell, Cam ran over, under, through, by and past him.  "Once in a generation players" don't get schooled like that. 

South Carolina people pushing Clowney.  One good play. Period.

Peyton wasn't even "once in a generation" talent at Tennessee.

If you ask me, which you didn't but I'm going to offer it anyway, there are only a handful of players who fit the "once in a generation" mold.  In my lifetime the following would be qualifiers:

Herschel Walker
Bo Jackson
Tim Tebow
Tracy Rocker
Cornelius Bennett
Emmit Smith
Cam Newton
Johnny Manziel

Since Bo did everything Herschel did and did it better, I think you can cross Herschel off the list.  Can't be "once a generation" if somebody is better than you at the same time. Emmit never quite measured up to Bo so that's it for him.

Rocker was great, but defensively Bennett was one of the best college linebackers I ever saw.  Hated him, but he was a different breed (much like Lawrence Taylor was in the NFL).

Cam did everything Tebow did but twice as well.  So Tebow gets crossed off. 

You could argue that Manziel bested Cam by having two years of great stats, but Manziel wasn't really a transcendent player like Cam was.  He didn't make his team substantially better or elevate the program.

So the only three left that really work for me are Bo, Cam and Bennett.
Agree with all but the take on Johnny Football.  He elevated his team way above.  Don't agree with GH (and others probably) that aTm will be irrelevant post JFF.  They'll always be AT LEAST the level of MSU or Ole Miss and more often than not a lot better (which is another argument).  However, I don't think JFF qualifies to be mentioned in the company of the final 3 you mentioned either.  So, FWIW...
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Re: Once in a generation talent...
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2014, 01:18:22 PM »
Agree with all but the take on Johnny Football.  He elevated his team way above.  Don't agree with GH (and others probably) that aTm will be irrelevant post JFF.  They'll always be AT LEAST the level of MSU or Ole Miss and more often than not a lot better (which is another argument).  However, I don't think JFF qualifies to be mentioned in the company of the final 3 you mentioned either.  So, FWIW...
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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2014, 03:07:32 PM »
I agree for the most part, but to me "Once in a generation" is literally once in a generation.

Auburn won the last two generations.

Will have to wait til about 2030 to have this discussion again unless someone usurps Cam.
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Re: Once in a generation talent...
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2014, 03:11:18 PM »
I agree for the most part, but to me "Once in a generation" is literally once in a generation.

Auburn won the last two generations.

Will have to wait til about 2030 to have this discussion again unless someone usurps Cam.

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Re: Once in a generation talent...
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2014, 03:13:21 PM »
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Nah.  He just wanted to use "usurps" in casual conversation.
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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2014, 03:45:10 PM »
Nah.  He just wanted to use "usurps" in casual conversation.
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Re: Once in a generation talent...
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2014, 07:42:40 PM »
Cam, Bo and Biscut are the once in a generation type players.
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Re: Once in a generation talent...
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2014, 07:47:58 PM »
Agree with all but the take on Johnny Football.  He elevated his team way above.  Don't agree with GH (and others probably) that aTm will be irrelevant post JFF.  They'll always be AT LEAST the level of MSU or Ole Miss and more often than not a lot better (which is another argument).  However, I don't think JFF qualifies to be mentioned in the company of the final 3 you mentioned either.  So, FWIW...

I don't think they'll be irrelevant but I think we will notice significantly that JFF is no longer there. I literally saw him bring his team back single handedly in their bowl, in person...It was amazing to watch. The guy was good for at least half of their wins the last two years simply due to his play alone. I think they are a 6 maybe 7 win team without him. 10-11 wins looks like a pipe dream.
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Re: Once in a generation talent...
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2014, 11:57:32 PM »
I don't think they'll be irrelevant but I think we will notice significantly that JFF is no longer there. I literally saw him bring his team back single handedly in their bowl, in person...It was amazing to watch. The guy was good for at least half of their wins the last two years simply due to his play alone. I think they are a 6 maybe 7 win team without him. 10-11 wins looks like a pipe dream.

This sounds too much like the "Cam was Auburn's only player" line I heard far too often in 2010 and heading to 2011.
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Re: Once in a generation talent...
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2014, 12:11:32 AM »
I would choose Derrick Thomas over Buiscuit.
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Re: Once in a generation talent...
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2014, 09:17:46 AM »
This sounds too much like the "Cam was Auburn's only player" line I heard far too often in 2010 and heading to 2011.
Not even comparable. Auburn never looked lost in 2010. There were times Aggy stunk it up and Manziel was the only one who seemed to show up. As average as our D was in 2010, it wasn't even close to the abortion that A&M's defense was the last two years. Manziel and Evans were their team.
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Re: Once in a generation talent...
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2014, 11:00:57 AM »
Same concept but a different tack:

How crappy does your team have to be that you consider Tim couch or Darren McFadden or Eli manning or Julio Jones or clowney "once in a generation"

Average to good. Somebody as good or better every single season in the league.
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