Oh the Irony

[Kaos]

You guys have artificially attached the hysteria to my position.

I can agree with the group that there may be exaggeration for how urgent a crisis climate change is, or how much our lives should be affected trying to do something about it.

Where we diverge is you refusing to acknowledge a scientific fact. I don't.

It's very different to say "The earth orbits the sun as it rotates on its axis" and "OMG!!! Earth's gonna spiral into the sun!!!"

I'm saying the former. The fact. It is ignorant to try to debate a solid scientific fact. The appropriate reaction to that fact is another story entirely, and one perhaps we could agree on, if you would just acknowledge the reality that is anthropomorphic climate change.

I refuse to acknowledge what does not exist.

[Snaggletiger]

It's so cold, the local flasher was arrested for describing himself to women.

[CCTAU]

I refuse to acknowledge what does not exist.

If you had data from 500-5000 years ago and wanted to compare, then I might listen. But to take a small stretch of time and try to claim it as "scientific fact", well, that is absurd. Like Kaos said, that same small fact finding group took a small sample of facts in the 70s and told us we would freeze to death.

So the bottom line here is, the facts do not tell the whole story.

[Townhallsavoy]

If you had data from 500-5000 years ago and wanted to compare, then I might listen. But to take a small stretch of time and try to claim it as "scientific fact", well, that is absurd. Like Kaos said, that same small fact finding group took a small sample of facts in the 70s and told us we would freeze to death.

So the bottom line here is, the facts do not tell the whole story.

The earf is only 29 years old.  I's born in 1984, and therefore, I cain't be expected to believe it be any older than that!

[AUChizad]

If you had data from 500-5000 years ago and wanted to compare, then I might listen. But to take a small stretch of time and try to claim it as "scientific fact", well, that is absurd. Like Kaos said, that same small fact finding group took a small sample of facts in the 70s and told us we would freeze to death.

So the bottom line here is, the facts do not tell the whole story.

Yeah, the data is from 650,000 years ago, which of course means it's BULLSHIT because the earth's only a couple thousand according to the flawless Bible.

Citing the money-grubbing lib'rul LYERS at NASA:
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence


Lemme guess, you're still not listening.

[Snaggletiger]

That's where Frozen Caveman Lawyer came from.  650,000 years ago.

[Kaos]

Yeah, the data is from 650,000 years ago, which of course means it's BULLshoot because the earth's only a couple thousand according to the flawless Bible.

Citing the money-grubbing lib'rul LYERS at NASA:
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence


Lemme guess, you're still not listening.

Right. Because Brontosaurus Bob  had CO2 measuring equipment attached to his cranium.

More bogus-osity.

[WiregrassTiger]

That's where Frozen Caveman Lawyer came from.  650,000 years ago.

He was the first lawyer to lie. I saw that documentary. There is no way he was that old.

[WiregrassTiger]

Yeah, the data is from 650,000 years ago, which of course means it's BULLshoot because the earth's only a couple thousand according to the flawless Bible.

Citing the money-grubbing lib'rul LYERS at NASA:
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence


Lemme guess, you're still not listening.

What did they measure CO2 with 650,000 years ago? I think it was alien technology myself.

[AUChizad]

Right. Because Brontosaurus Bob  had CO2 measuring equipment attached to his cranium.

More bogus-osity.

Yeah, you're right. NASA probably just made those numbers up out of thin air bubbles trapped deep in the ice of Greenland and Antarctica. Just as an example.

No way to scientifically measure things that "happened" before the beepity-boop CO2 transmodulizerograph was invented 1972.

[WiregrassTiger]

No way to scientifically measure things that "happened" before the beepity-boop CO2 transmodulizerograph was invented 1972.

I agree with you on this but I don't see how it supports your argument.

[Tarheel]

You guys have artificially attached the hysteria to my position.

I can agree with the group that there may be exaggeration for how urgent a crisis climate change is, or how much our lives should be affected trying to do something about it.

Where we diverge is you refusing to acknowledge a scientific fact. I don't.

It's very different to say "The earth orbits the sun as it rotates on its axis" and "OMG!!! Earth's gonna spiral into the sun!!!"

I'm saying the former. The fact. It is ignorant to try to debate a solid scientific fact. The appropriate reaction to that fact is another story entirely, and one perhaps we could agree on, if you would just acknowledge the reality that is anthropomorphic climate change.

I think the correct word is 'anthropogenic'.

[Kaos]

I think the correct word is 'anthropogenic'.

Is that the name of the CO2 device Marty McFly strapped to Brontosaurus Bob?

[dallaswareagle]

Wait...you people work?

Not some of us, but we are trying.

(unemployment and military retirement means a lot of golf right now.)

[Townhallsavoy]

I agree with you on this but I don't see how it supports your argument.

Because numerous fields of science have discovered and now utilize ways to measure far into the past. 

I wasn't around when that tree was born, but I can count the rings inside to tell how old it is.  Similar to that. 

I wasn't around to know if Alabama was once covered by an ocean or not.  But there's geological evidence to prove it.

I wasn't around to know if dinosaurs existed.  But there's fossils in the ground.

I wasn't around 65 million years ago to know if dinosaurs were around then, but there's carbon dating to determine it. 

I wasn't around 650,000 years ago to know what the CO2 levels were in the atmosphere, but there's...wait...nope this one's not allowed. 

[GH2001]

Actually, knowing what happened thousands of years ago proves more against Man Made Climate Change  than anything.

We know there were floods, an ice age, and other catastrophic events.

No one is really arguing that. What some are simply saying is that Billy Bob's Dodge Ram, Carnegie's steel factories, Coal burning and Vanderbilt's railroads are NOT the reason for these natural events - cooling, warming, volcanos, weather patterns, whatever. These are cyclical events that have been happening since we could observe it.

The technology to be able to see things that happened before the industrial revolution, if anything, proves they are natural and cyclical. Big trucks and 727's had nothing to do with great weather pattern changes in 3rd century China - which we know happened (Great Flood). Or an uncanny hail storm that proceeded (and helped fuel) the French Revolution.

Man is very arrogant in how powerful he thinks he is. But Mother Nature thinks its hilarious.

[Townhallsavoy]

Actually, knowing what happened thousands of years ago proves more against Man Made Climate Change  than anything.

We know there were floods, an ice age, and other catastrophic events.

No one is really arguing that. What some are simply saying is that Billy Bob's Dodge Ram, Carnegie's steel factories, Coal burning and Vanderbilt's railroads are NOT the reason for these natural events - cooling, warming, volcanos, weather patterns, whatever. These are cyclical events that have been happening since we could observe it.

The technology to be able to see things that happened before the industrial revolution, if anything, proves they are natural and cyclical. Big trucks and 727's had nothing to do with great weather pattern changes in 3rd century China - which we know happened (Great Flood). Or an uncanny hail storm that proceeded (and helped fuel) the French Revolution.

Man is very arrogant in how powerful he thinks he is. But Mother Nature thinks its hilarious.

I don't think anyone in this thread has stated that climate change is being caused by technological advancements. 

[Kaos]

I don't think anyone in this thread has stated that climate change is being caused by technological advancements.

If its natural and normal and cyclical -- which I freely accept -- then what's the drama?

[GH2001]

I don't think anyone in this thread has stated that climate change is being caused by technological advancements.

Yes you are. Who made those things? Al Gore and the man made climate change crowd blames everything on exhaust emissions from automobiles, trains and factories. I believe tarheel even referenced the term and corrected Chad a few replies back.

[Snaggletiger]

If its natural and normal and cyclical -- which I freely accept -- then what's the drama?

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