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Ritchie Incognito
« on: November 04, 2013, 11:52:13 AM »
This story is all kinds of weird.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9924206/miami-dolphins-suspend-richie-incognito-indefinitely-connection-jonathan-martin-incident

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Richie Incognito suspended by team
Updated: November 4, 2013, 11:18 AM ET
By James Walker

Adam Schefter discusses the latest news surrounding Dolphins G Richie Incognito, who was suspended indefinitely for conduct detrimental to the team.Tags: Richie Incognito, Jonathan Martin, Miami Dolphins, Suspended, Adam Schefter, SportsCenter

The Miami Dolphins have suspended starting guard Richie Incognito for conduct detrimental to the team.

Incognito was being reviewed by the Dolphins, the NFL and the NFL Players Association for harassment of teammate Jonathan Martin, who left the team last week following a lunchroom incident.

The Dolphins announced in a statement late Sunday that Incognito had been suspended, adding "we believe in maintaining a culture of respect for one another and as a result we believe this decision is in the best interest of the organization at this time. As we noted earlier, we reached out to the NFL to conduct an objective and thorough review. We will continue to work with the league on this matter."

WalkerBased on the allegations that have been reported, the Dolphins had no choice but to suspend Richie Incognito, James Walker writes. Analysis

Sources told ESPN that one of the significant allegations being reviewed is that Incognito got Martin to contribute $15,000 to help finance a trip to Las Vegas by some teammates last summer, even though Martin preferred not to travel with the group.

Rather than go, Martin simply gave Incognito the $15,000, sources told ESPN, fearing the consequences if he did not hand over the money.

One source said there are other instances of intimidation, captured in text messages and at least one demeaning voice mail. In addition, some of the messages were racially charged in nature, according to ESPN and media reports. The alleged racial aspect of the communication was first reported by Fox Sports. Also, Martin's recent reported text communications with Incognito that indicated he did not hold the guard responsible for his absence were sent out of fear of retribution, sources told ESPN.

Incognito, who has been a part of the Dolphins' six-player leadership council, started all eight games for the Dolphins (4-4). He will be an unrestricted free agent after the season. Backup guard Nate Garner will start in his place.

Representatives for Martin contacted the team Sunday regarding allegations of harassment and player misconduct, with the Dolphins saying in a statement they have asked the NFL to review the matter.

Incognito took to Twitter earlier Sunday, stating that he wants his "name cleared." He called the reports "false speculation" and "slander" and said ESPN was hiding behind sources "who are not man enough to put their name behind the BS you report."

This is not the first time Incognito has been in trouble. In 2009 he got into a verbal altercation with then-St. Louis Rams coach Steve Spagnuolo for multiple penalties in a game. Incognito was waived a few days later. Incognito also was suspended for the 2004 season in college at Nebraska due to off-field incidents.

Incognito was voted the second-dirtiest player in the NFL from a player poll in the Sporting News before the 2012 season. Houston Texans defensive lineman Antonio Smith also swung a helmet at Incognito during an August preseason game, alleging foul play.

Incognito talked to NFL.com last summer about problems he's had to overcome through therapy with anger-management issues and substance abuse, particularly when he was with the Rams at the beginning of his career.

"I mean, we'd have practice the next morning, and I'm out until all hours of the night, running the town," Incognito told NFL.com. "Drinking. Doing drugs. I was doing everything that a professional athlete should not be doing."

He had seemed to turn his image around with the Dolphins, however, earning a share of the team's "good guy" award last season, which is given to the player who is most cooperative with the local media. He also was voted to his first Pro Bowl in 2012.

"I'm definitely not a choir boy," Incognito told NFL.com in the story published earlier this year. "You know, I'm definitely not healed, and I'm not saying that I don't make mistakes. But from where I was to where I am now, I mean, it's night and day. And it's something that, you know, I hope people can respect about me."

The Dolphins will return to the practice field Monday, minus Incognito, to prepare for their "Monday Night Football" game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers next week.

It is unknown if and when Martin plans to return to the team. The Dolphins have until 4 p.m. ET Tuesday to take him off the non-football related illness list.

Don't get me wrong, he defintiely sounds like a racist asshole. And just a douche in general. But adults being "bullied" by other adults, especially big tough NFL players, is kind of ridiculous.

How did he "make" him pay for other players' vacations? He's an adult, he can tell him no and to fuck himself.
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Re: Ritchie Incognito
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2013, 11:56:19 AM »
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24186392/dolphins-harassment-case-text-from-incognito-to-martin-used-racial-slur

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Dolphins harassment case: Text from Incognito to Martin used racial slur
November 4, 2013 11:35 am ET

Among the texts that Jonathan Martin made available to his parents, and then, eventually the Dolphins and the NFL, include those in which Richie Incognito refers to Martin, who is biracial, as a "half-n*****," according to a source who was privy to the communication.

There are several instances of threats as well, the sources said, and overall disturbing exchanges, including one in which Incognito refers to defecating in Martin's mouth.

Incognito also made reference to tracking down members of Martin's family and harming them in the texts as well, according to a source.

In some instances, that kind of rhetoric might be shaken off or ignored, but, given the track record of incidents between Incognito and Martin, and how sustained it had become, Martin truly felt that Incognito might be capable of inflicting harm, and for his safety getting away from the team was in his best interests.

The NFL, apprised of the evidence, began upper-level meetings on the case this morning as it launches its investigation. People with access to some of the exchanges believe in time this situation could become a springboard for further policies and practices at the league-wide level in regards to hazing, verbal harassment and perhaps also stricter codes in terms of financial harassment and actions whereby rookies are required by veterans to pick up excessive tabs and bills as a rite of passage.
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Re: Ritchie Incognito
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2013, 11:59:33 AM »
http://deadspin.com/is-richie-incognitos-dad-blasting-jonathan-martin-on-m-1457997230?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

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Is Richie Incognito's Dad Blasting Jonathan Martin On Message Boards?
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Richie Incognito finds himself at the center of the Dolphins' and the NFL's investigation of the bullying complaints of Jonathan Martin, who left the team last week. Incognito has been suspended indefinitely, and the latest report is that Incognito left Martin texts and voicemails "that are both threatening and racially charged in nature."

Even Dolphins fans seem somewhat fed up with Incognito, who can't seem to avoid trouble off the field and is one of the league's dirtiest players on it. But on a popular Dolphins message board, Incognito has at least one strident defender—and it might be his dad.

Early this morning, a poster with the username "idrd1994" left an impassioned defense of Incognito on the FinHeaven message board. In it, he attacked both Martin and Mike Pouncey as "black brothers that do drugs on a regular basis," and asked readers to "pray [GM Jeff] Ireland and [coach Joe] Philbin die of AIDS." He blasts the team from top to bottom, claims Incognito is getting railroaded, and uses the "black people say the N-word in rap music" argument to dismiss claims that Incognito sent racial messages to Martin. He also implies that Martin has pondered suicide, and "does not belong in an NFL locker room."

The post has since been deleted, but here's a screengrab; click the magnifying glass to enlarge.



User "TheWalrus" decided to go back and look at idrd1994's post history, and found something interesting. idrd1994 "only talks about the offensive line, praises Jeff Darlington (who Richie 'trusted' to write the big feature on Richie) and constantly refers to Jason Smith, the legendary #2 overall draft pick bust of the Rams, who was taken when Incognito was there."

Then, more sleuthwork. TheWalrus found another post of idrd1994's where he talks about growing up in New Jersey and watching the Jets play at Shea Stadium. Richie Incognito was born in New Jersey, but after the Jets had already moved. Not too young to have seen the Jets play in Queens? Richie Incognito Sr., an active poster (under a different name) on Nebraska message boards when Richie Jr. played for the Huskers.

A Google search for "idrd1994" turns up a number of posts on RC car message boards, from a user claiming to live in Arizona—where the Incognitos moved when Richie Jr. was 11. "idrd1994" is also a profile on MyLife.com, registered under one Richie Incognito, age 63, from Glendale, Ariz.

Update: Adam Beasley of the Miami Herald spoke to the FinHeaven board administrator. idrd1994 registered with a date of birth of 12/14/1949, which matches Richie Incognito Sr.'s birthday.

idrd1994 has—at least according to what's accessible on the site—a brief but focused posting history on FinHeaven. His first few posts, beginning on Oct. 9, were all about the Miami offensive line. Then, on Nov. 2, when it emerged that the NFLPA was asked to investigate Martin's claims,

    NFLPA IS NOT TOUCHING THIS WITH A TEN FOOT POLE. It will come out, Martin has tried to kill himself three previous times. The team is silent because they all know about it, from Ross on down to Ireland and Philbin. If anybody has seen the latest news the NFLPA has decided not to look into the case. Jonathan Martin has had mental issues since College, it will all come out int he wash gentleman, believe me.

On Nov. 3, after Incognito was suspended,

    This is a joke, suspend an honest player for a drug addict and a player that tried to kill himself three times. Complete ****in utter BS and this team is just covering their ass. What a friggin joke. Strange only coments are from Zuckerman and not Martin himself. Irleand and Philbin should be ashamed of themselves, this is a ****in joke. Suspend a pro bowl player for a player that does not even belong in the NFL. FUKIN JOKE its all going to come out in the wash and Ireland should be ****in hung because he , philbin and everyone else knew Martin did drugs and attempted suicide three times. But hey, the regular people will never hear that right ? ****IN JOKE FOLKS, ****IN JOKE.

Late last night:

    Incognito will look good in a Jets uniform beating the piss out of our defensive line in a few weeks. Watch, learn , and we will have ? Jonahtan Martin, draft bust, drug addict and on suicide watch, what a team. LMFAO.

idrd1994's full posting history is available here (registration needed). Sure, it's possible this is someone maintaining a sustained, convincing impersonation of Richie Incognito's father. But if this is actually Richie Sr., it'll save writers a lot of time asking him how he feels about bullying accusations against his son, considering Richie Jr. was bullied as a child. A 2003 ESPN profile of the then-Nebraska player recalls how Richie Jr. was teased for his weight as a child, until his father told him "you can't let them keep doing it," and the young Incognito punched out his tormentor.

Before his sophomore year, the story notes, the university sent Incognito to a Topeka behavioral clinic for anger management. "I don't think Richie is ever going to completely stop being the way he is," his mother said. Added Richie Sr.: "He just knows how to control it better."
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Re: Ritchie Incognito
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2013, 01:45:10 PM »
I can't see him.
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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2013, 01:47:58 PM »
I thought the same thing initially. How could an adult, especially a freakin' huge NFL lineman, actually be bullied by anybody? I chuckled and rolled my eyes at the idea. Then as I read more about Martin, such as being labeled a "freak" and "weird" by his teammates because he did not like the same things an NFL lineman normally likes, they started ostracizing this guy and constantly pulling pranks on him. He was a quiet guy that just did not like conflict, so a bully would take advantage of that. We all probably have known big guys in which their personality just does not match their size. Some prick like Incognito probably gets some warped feeling of superiority knowing he can control another big guy like Martin. We like to think adults grow out of such things as bullying, but some people can never get their maturity level out of high school.

I wonder what Martin could have done? If he punches that asshole Incognito in the face, does he get disciplined by the Dolphins or call it even? If he goes to the Dolphins management, do they just laugh at him because the thought of a big guy like him being bullied sounds stupid and unbelievable or do they listen and investigate? He is a rookie when this starts, so are the Dolphins going to believe him or Incognito?

My question to the lawyers on the board, given that the NFL is a job, would this not be a good case for at least a hostile work environment? If you was to take this same situation, but remove it from the NFL and place it in a normal office work environment, the case would be hard to turn down, right?
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Re: Ritchie Incognito
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2013, 02:03:04 PM »
I thought the same thing initially. How could an adult, especially a freakin' huge NFL lineman, actually be bullied by anybody? I chuckled and rolled my eyes at the idea. Then as I read more about Martin, such as being labeled a "freak" and "weird" by his teammates because he did not like the same things an NFL lineman normally likes, they started ostracizing this guy and constantly pulling pranks on him. He was a quiet guy that just did not like conflict, so a bully would take advantage of that. We all probably have known big guys in which their personality just does not match their size. Some prick like Incognito probably gets some warped feeling of superiority knowing he can control another big guy like Martin. We like to think adults grow out of such things as bullying, but some people can never get their maturity level out of high school.

I wonder what Martin could have done? If he punches that asshole Incognito in the face, does he get disciplined by the Dolphins or call it even? If he goes to the Dolphins management, do they just laugh at him because the thought of a big guy like him being bullied sounds stupid and unbelievable or do they listen and investigate? He is a rookie when this starts, so are the Dolphins going to believe him or Incognito?

My question to the lawyers on the board, given that the NFL is a job, would this not be a good case for at least a hostile work environment? If you was to take this same situation, but remove it from the NFL and place it in a normal office work environment, the case would be hard to turn down, right?
Like I said, there is zero doubt that Incognito is an epic douche. Not at all defending him as a person.

And, I guess if we were using the word "harassment" instead of "bullying" I would be able to take it seriously. Really, they mean the same thing. And you're right, it sounds like a hostile work environment, and that something needed to be done.

As for what Martin could have done, like I said, tell him to go fuck himself. Seems simple enough to me. Sounds like he extorted money out of him too. I guess the key here is semantics. Extortion is an adult problem. "Bullying", especially in the adult world, is some PC bullshit. Again, though, I don't see how an adult doesn't just say "Fuck you, dude, I'm not paying for your vacation."

When he was a rookie, he probably got "bullied" a lot. Again, light, harmless hazing is just the culture of professional sports. Get over it and pass it along to the next round of rookies. Sounds like this continued beyond just his rookie season though.

Like I said, it's complex, and I in no way think Incognito is anything other than an asshole. I can even get on board with him getting punishment for this, given the severity of the harassment he was inflicting. But at some point, you've gotta man up and not expect to be coddled like a child.
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Re: Ritchie Incognito
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2013, 03:25:02 PM »
Oh, I am not saying you were defending him or anything. I get what you were saying and I guess I was sort of trying to continue it. Again, I also wonder how a big NFL lineman can allow this to happen. Yet I do understand that some people just have a personality that totally avoids conflict and will allow others to take advantage of that. They just would rather allow people to roll over them instead of standing up for themselves. My wife was like that when we first met, but after much encouragement from me, she finally learned to not be quiet and take up for herself.

Just like in high school when sometimes bullies get protected because they are a star athlete or very popular, I have seen management protect douchebags and "bullies" because they have been at the job longer than their accuser or they are good buddies with the boss. I'm sure we all have seen that. Using the bully term is the PC thing to do with the anti-bully movement in schools, though in the workplace I believe using "harassment" is the better word, especially since it has more of a legal connotation to it. Regardless of which word is used, we can agree that Incognito is starting to sound like a POS that needs his face caved in.
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Re: Ritchie Incognito
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2013, 07:27:05 PM »
It's like Lou Gherig dying of his own disease - you would think a guy named Incognito could post without getting recognized........
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Re: Ritchie Incognito
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2013, 07:44:16 PM »
Ole Rog has got to be loving this. Not only is the majority of his league unwatchable but now you have this kind of crap to sift through every day.
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Re: Ritchie Incognito
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2013, 08:58:14 PM »
Ole Rog has got to be loving this. Not only is the majority of his league unwatchable but now you have this kind of crap to sift through every day.
It IS very hard to watch any number of match ups on a given Sunday.  :charles:

The Martin, Incognito case is interesting because it's so extreme. Martin felt forced to make it known because he only had two choices; go on taking the relentless abuse from the ringleader AND his team mates or strike back which would go nowhere- both putting his football livelihood at risk. You have to know he had some pretty strong thoughts running though his mind to choose making it public instead of the other route.
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Re: Ritchie Incognito
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2013, 11:27:06 AM »
My God...if you need a laugh or twelve head over to Dead spin to read the comments from this story.

http://deadspin.com/report-richie-incognito-called-jonathan-martin-a-half-1458148723

Here are a few samplings that made me chortle...

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So he's only half-racist.   Shame on you all for piling on and besmirching his half-good name.

Agreed. Personally, I am only half-offended.

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If it's a crime to shit down another man's throat, lock me up and throw away the key.

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Worse than calling Martin a "half ni***r" was the implication Incognito made that he could get the other half on layaway.

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@RileyCooperWR: My thoughts are with Jonathan Martin during this tough time. He's not half-bad.

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Re: Ritchie Incognito
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2013, 02:28:36 PM »
I can't see him.

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Re: Ritchie Incognito
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2013, 06:30:20 PM »
Whatever, you guys don't know shit.  Incognito is an honorary black man.


http://nfl.si.com/2013/11/06/richie-incognito-honorary-black-man-miami-dolphins-jonathan-martin/?sct=hp_t2_a1&eref=sihp

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One of the lingering mysteries in the Dolphins’ messy Richie Incognito-Jonathan Martin case has been the lack of backlash toward Incognito from within the team’s locker room, despite Incognito referring to Martin as a “half-n—–” on one voicemail.

We may now have an answer, unusual as it may be. Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald reported Wednesday that Incognito is considered “an honorary black man” by his teammates.

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“Richie is honarary,” one player who left the Dolphins this offseason told me today. “I don’t expect you to understand because you’re not black. But being a black guy, being a brother is more than just about skin color. It’s about how you carry yourself. How you play. Where you come from. What you’ve experienced. A lot of things.”

That explanation seemingly goes hand in hand with what ESPN’s Cris Carter said on SportsCenter, following a talk with Miami center Mike Pouncey.

“They love Richie Incognito and they wish he was playing football for them this [Monday],” Carter said, via the Herald.

Receiver Mike Wallace echoed those comments to Salguero, saying, “I don’t have a problem with Richie. I love Richie.” Cornerback Brent Grimes and tight end Michael Egnew, meanwhile, both stated that Incognito is not racist.
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Re: Ritchie Incognito
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2013, 09:50:38 AM »
Whatever, you guys don't know shit.  Incognito is an honorary black man.

Is this like how Alabama made Reuben Foster an honorary literate person, so he could get into school?
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Re: Ritchie Incognito
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2013, 10:08:49 AM »
Walter Lewis concurs
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Re: Ritchie Incognito
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2013, 10:35:53 AM »
This story is looking more and more like a bunch of media fueled hot air

Douchebag? Sure. But nothing to like what they are making it out to be. Martin has issues. Issues that were there before Incognito and issues that have nothing to do with Incognito. When all the teammates come out and say it's overblown and that Martin was a headcase, black players included, then I'm inclined to think the media is fueling 90% of this whole thing.
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Re: Ritchie Incognito
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2013, 10:46:11 AM »
This story is looking more and more like a bunch of media fueled hot air

Douchebag? Sure. But nothing to like what they are making it out to be. Martin has issues. Issues that were there before Incognito and issues that have nothing to do with Incognito. When all the teammates come out and say it's overblown and that Martin was a headcase, black players included, then I'm inclined to think the media is fueling 90% of this whole thing.
Do you actually think that the media would hype a story up and run with it for their own personal gain? It is sad that some people have such little faith and trust.

You probably don't trust our government that is trying to provide and protect you either, do you?

Srsly, I'm to the point of seeing black helicopters anytime I read or hear a news story. There is so much hype and manipulation that most news not only cannot be trusted, it doesn't even matter.

I used to work with a lady who stopped watching the news, period. She read print but never watched tv news. She said she became happier.
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Re: Ritchie Incognito
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2013, 10:51:56 AM »
Oh yeah, and if each of you don't send me 15K for my trip to Vegas, I'm kicking some ass. I'm a bad man. No, really, I am. I'm dangerous.
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Re: Ritchie Incognito
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2013, 11:09:51 AM »
This is all over one word. The n word. If that isn't said, this wouldn't be a story at all.
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Re: Ritchie Incognito
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2013, 11:20:41 AM »
This is all over one word. The n word. If that isn't said, this wouldn't be a story at all.
Did he say he's near?
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