Starting QB?

Yoda · « **Reply #20 on:** October 10, 2013, 09:42:23 PM »

I think too many are focusing on this game. If Johnson plays Gus is getting him ready for more playing time this season. I for one think it should be done. Marshal has shown that he is not an accurate passer in every game this year. We beat Ole Miss with a one dimensional offense. We are about to get to the meat of our SEC schedule and are playing much better than anyone expected. Also Marshal is hurt, and with his size and how much he has to run to compensate for his lack of accuracy the chances of getting hurt against much tougher defenses coming up is pretty good.

Get Johnson ready to play even with a healthy Marshall if Johnson shows he can run the offense and add a passing attack, and our defense continues to improve we will have a chance in every game left. Johnson most likely won't be around for 5 years anyway.

Godfather · « **Reply #21 on:** October 10, 2013, 10:12:28 PM »

I'm with Prowler you play the best players available. Redshirt be damned. You never know what the future will hold and you can't count on anything except taxes and death.

The Prowler · « **Reply #22 on:** October 10, 2013, 10:41:02 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on October 10, 2013, 10:12:28 PM

I'm with Prowler you play the best players available. Redshirt be damned. You never know what the future will hold and you can't count on anything except taxes, Gout and death.

Fixed

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #23 on:** October 10, 2013, 11:33:12 PM »

Quote from: Yoda on October 10, 2013, 09:42:23 PM

I think too many are focusing on this game. If Johnson plays Gus is getting him ready for more playing time this season. I for one think it should be done. Marshal has shown that he is not an accurate passer in every game this year. We beat Ole Miss with a one dimensional offense. We are about to get to the meat of our SEC schedule and are playing much better than anyone expected. Also Marshal is hurt, and with his size and how much he has to run to compensate for his lack of accuracy the chances of getting hurt against much tougher defenses coming up is pretty good.

Get Johnson ready to play even with a healthy Marshall if Johnson shows he can run the offense and add a passing attack, and our defense continues to improve we will have a chance in every game left. Johnson most likely won't be around for 5 years anyway.

So if Johnson comes out and goes 14/15 for 3tds and no interceptions, do we expect him to start @A&M?

I do remember Stan White prior to the season saying that he thought Johnson could easily be our starting quarterback if the coaches trusted him to not make too many freshman mistakes. Said he looked like an NFL quarterback on the practice field.

The Six · « **Reply #24 on:** October 10, 2013, 11:42:54 PM »

Quote from: The Prowler on October 10, 2013, 10:41:02 PM

Fixed Gout

Pitted cherries, sir.

AWK · « **Reply #25 on:** October 10, 2013, 11:56:52 PM »

Motherfuckin' gout.

Jumbo · « **Reply #26 on:** October 11, 2013, 02:14:59 AM »

Don't like burning his redshirt to play western michigan.

jmar · « **Reply #27 on:** October 11, 2013, 06:30:23 AM »

Offensive line play against Ole Miss was as good an effort as I've seen since 2010.
No guarantee our receivers get more vertical, run better patterns or have the wherewithal to help a freshman QB. There's not much chemistry developed or timing routes in this offense. But it's a good bet teams will scheme against us as with MSUs Prescott only wary of the deep balls to Coates.

We are going to find ourselves behind, playing catch-up and forced to throw with this tough road schedule. Uzomah back as an option should help. Defense playing well enough to hang and toughens in the redzone and we haven't been gassed.

We don't know anymore nor will we of NM's knee; good to go, recurring problem or in a brace.
"If I see a brace I'm fully expecting to see Johnson... as if NM had a concussion.

We do JJ no favors bringing him in down 10 at Kyle Field.
I think you treat each game like its your last.

Yoda · « **Reply #28 on:** October 11, 2013, 07:56:21 AM »

Quote from: Townhallsavoy on October 10, 2013, 11:33:12 PM

So if Johnson comes out and goes 14/15 for 3tds and no interceptions, do we expect him to start @A&M?

I do remember Stan White prior to the season saying that he thought Johnson could easily be our starting quarterback if the coaches trusted him to not make too many freshman mistakes. Said he looked like an NFL quarterback on the practice field.

That's a call to be made by coaches. Even if Johnson lights it up Saturday it is still against a non factor team. I just think that he should be given a chance and get some experience for the upcoming SEC teams. I honestly think that another QB will have to be played later this season. And if Gus does take the red shirt off Johnson chances are Marshall will not be ready for ATM.

WiregrassTiger · « **Reply #29 on:** October 11, 2013, 09:17:58 AM »

Quote from: Godfather on October 10, 2013, 10:12:28 PM

I'm with Prowler you play the best players available. Redshirt be damned. You never know what the future will hold and you can't count on anything except taxes and death.

And herpes in Bullock county.

CCTAU · « **Reply #30 on:** October 11, 2013, 09:20:15 AM »

One play removes the redshirt.

Only play JJ if you intend to put him in every game at some point the rest I the season.

WiregrassTiger · « **Reply #31 on:** October 11, 2013, 09:29:26 AM »

Quote from: CCTAU on October 11, 2013, 09:20:15 AM

One play removes the redshirt.

Only play JJ if you intend to put him in every game at some point the rest I the season.

Even if Nick were not hurt, I say play JJ. We don't need to be playing only for next season. We are 4-1. We aren't as strong as we have been and we aren't real deep but we can be dangerous. We need to prepare for the meat of our schedule and even if we come up short, it's good prep for next season.

Play for this season and use our weapons and just see what happens. There is not anyone on the schedule that we don't have a chance of beating if we play like we did against Ole Miss.

CCTAU · « **Reply #32 on:** October 11, 2013, 09:41:58 AM »

Quote from: WiregrassTiger on October 11, 2013, 09:29:26 AM

Even if Nick were not hurt, I say play JJ. We don't need to be playing only for next season. We are 4-1. We aren't as strong as we have been and we aren't real deep but we can be dangerous. We need to prepare for the meat of our schedule and even if we come up short, it's good prep for next season.

Play for this season and use our weapons and just see what happens. There is not anyone on the schedule that we don't have a chance of beating if we play like we did against Ole Miss.

Because burning the redshirt worked out so well for Kodi and Kadrilla?

I have yet to see it done properly. Therefore, I have no confidence in seeing it done poorly again.

WiregrassTiger · « **Reply #33 on:** October 11, 2013, 09:49:14 AM »

Quote from: CCTAU on October 11, 2013, 09:41:58 AM

Because burning the redshirt worked out so well for Kodi and Kadrilla?

I have yet to see it done properly. Therefore, I have no confidence in seeing it done poorly again.

Let's look at it this way. Who do we have the best chance to win with against a&m, arky, thuga and Bama if NM can't play? The answer to that question should be the guy that starts, imo. And I think we all agree that my opinion is the one that matters most.

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #34 on:** October 11, 2013, 10:31:53 AM »

Quote from: WiregrassTiger on October 11, 2013, 09:49:14 AM

Let's look at it this way. Who do we have the best chance to win with against a&m, arky, thuga and Bama if NM can't play? The answer to that question should be the guy that starts, imo. And I think we all agree that my opinion is the one that matters most.

I'm sorry. You say something?

Now, the real deal is that I think Johnson (I just like saying Johnson) would have played already if we had been in a game where they felt comfortable bringing in the 2's. ASU was the biggest "blowout" and that game was still very competitive going into the 4th.

As for the "Johnson won't be here 4 years anyway" thing, I doubt that has any bearing on the decision to play him. If he showed any signs whatsoever of being a QB that just needed a couple of years experience to be NFL ready, he would have started from day 1. Yes, he's a tall, good looking athlete, but Nick Marshall beat him out for a reason...as inaccurate a passer as he is.

IF Johnson plays, my guess is they know J. Wallace is definitely not the long term answer if NM goes down for any length of time.

GH2001 · « **Reply #35 on:** October 11, 2013, 10:32:57 AM »

Quote from: Snaggletiger on October 10, 2013, 05:14:54 PM

You need to take it on the run if that's the way you want it.

What's next, Air Supply?

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #36 on:** October 11, 2013, 10:46:02 AM »

Quote from: GH2001 on October 11, 2013, 10:32:57 AM

What's next, Air Supply?

No, Jack Wagner

dallaswareagle · « **Reply #37 on:** October 11, 2013, 11:10:16 AM »

Quote from: GH2001 on October 11, 2013, 10:32:57 AM

What's next, Air Supply?

Overnight scenes, dinner and wine, Saturday girls.

Did just find out the game is not on pay-per view, but I could get it with the ESPN package they tried to sell me. I'll just watch on ESPN3.

Godfather · « **Reply #38 on:** October 11, 2013, 11:28:40 AM »

Quote from: CCTAU on October 11, 2013, 09:41:58 AM

Because burning the redshirt worked out so well for Kodi and Kadrilla?

What does that have to do with the price of snuggles balls on the open market?

Real players play and rise to the occasion. The fact that players are redshirted or brought in early indicates nothing as to being good. Missing routes or not knowing a play book yes. Not being able to hit the broadside of an aircraft carrier had no bearing on them not getting redshirted.

CCTAU · « **Reply #39 on:** October 11, 2013, 11:42:43 AM »

Quote from: Godfather on October 11, 2013, 11:28:40 AM

What does that have to do with the price of snuggles balls on the open market?

Real players play and rise to the occasion. The fact that players are redshirted or brought in early indicates nothing as to being good. Missing routes or not knowing a play book yes. Not being able to hit the broadside of an aircraft carrier had no bearing on them not getting redshirted.

Yeah. You keep believing that. If you burn a redshirt and then sit the player, you have accomplished nothing. If there is not a plan in place to burn the redshirt and give the player significant playing time, why bother? Wasn't CGM here when they burned Kadrilla's redshirt. He played sparingly and was not better off for it.

So why would I expect anything different with JJ? Like someone else already stated, if he were that close to being ready, he'd be on the field right now.

You guys for years seem to think that the earlier you get a guy in the better he will be. That is just not always the case. Do we have the one in ten thousand person in JJ? I have no idea. But I do know that it has not worked out well for us in the recent past in this category. But yet here we are again. "Burn the redshirt. Get him started early". Sounds very familiar.