Mother Leaves Baby in Car; Baby Dies

[GH2001]

Well that settles it. Zimmerman needs to die. He's obviously guilty. I mean, all of you said so...

Its hard to defend the guy as "leaving the kid in the car accidentally" or "forgetting" when he made a cognitive effort to go back out and "check" on him at lunch. This is probably what Prosecutor and law enforcement knew that we didn't that brought about the charge. And then there is the google search.

No one on here is "saying so"....the evidence is saying so. Yeah, he will have his day in court, innocent until proven guilty and all that, but its seriously hard to dispute this evidence. I'd really like to see this guy explain it away. This should be good.

[Townhallsavoy]

Its hard to defend the guy as "leaving the kid in the car accidentally" or "forgetting" when he made a cognitive effort to go back out and "check" on him at lunch. This is probably what Prosecutor and law enforcement knew that we didn't that brought about the charge. And then there is the google search.

No one on here is "saying so"....the evidence is saying so. Yeah, he will have his day in court, innocent until proven guilty and all that, but its seriously hard to dispute this evidence. I'd really like to see this guy explain it away. This should be good.

"I really wanted to kill the family dog in the car but wasn't sure how long it would take so I tested it out on the human pet."

[Saniflush]

"I really wanted to kill the family dog in the car but wasn't sure how long it would take so I tested it out on the human pet."

I think the preferred nomenclature is "critter".

[CCTAU]

Its hard to defend the guy as "leaving the kid in the car accidentally" or "forgetting" when he made a cognitive effort to go back out and "check" on him at lunch. This is probably what Prosecutor and law enforcement knew that we didn't that brought about the charge. And then there is the google search.

No one on here is "saying so"....the evidence is saying so. Yeah, he will have his day in court, innocent until proven guilty and all that, but its seriously hard to dispute this evidence. I'd really like to see this guy explain it away. This should be good.

And all of the "evidence" in the Zimmerman case pointed to him as racist white guy who hunted and killed a defenseless skittles eating baby boy!

It's like you people have learned nothing.

[AUChizad]

Cognitive Dissonance: Look it up, CCTAU. You're a victim.

[Godfather]

Well that settles it. Zimmerman needs to die. He's obviously guilty. I mean, all of you said so...

He's a bama fan of course he is guilty.

[Godfather]

And all of the "evidence" in the Zimmerman case pointed to him as racist white guy who hunted and killed a defenseless skittles eating baby boy!

It's like you people have learned nothing.

I know I'm always google searching how to kill animals in my hot car.  That's some funny shit.

[Kaos]

Criminal negligence is a higher standard.  Its more than accidental.  All vehicle accidents are negligence but we dont prosecute those criminally unless there is something more than innatentiveness.  Ie texting while driving or DUI.

I posted this while driving.  And simultaneously eating a granola bar. 

[Kaos]

Well that settles it. Zimmerman needs to die. He's obviously guilty. I mean, all of you said so...

Just gonna say... this is not the same as Zimmerman. 

This is a douche who pretty obviously faked anguish to get away with murdering his own child. 

Rawl Tahd. 

[AUChizad]

http://nypost.com/2014/06/25/dad-knew-son-was-trapped-inside-hot-car-warrant/

[Tiger Wench]

This guy did this on purpose - but lots of parents don't.  It can happen and does happen, like any accident, and in my personal opinion, it is not a criminal offense, and should not be prosecuted at all (cases like this asshole excepted).  I know for a fact those parents will suffer more than you could possibly imagine.

It came close to happening to me, and I don't think anyone here would or could accuse me of being a neglectful mom.  Our regular morning routine was broken up by a doctor's appointment, and I got halfway to work before I realized I had not taken Katie to the babysitter. She was asleep in her car seat in the backseat and I completely forgot she was there.  Scared the living shit out of me, because I was only too aware of what could have happened.  She was newborn little, I had already gone back to work and was tired from being up all hours of the night nursing, and was driving on auto pilot.  So for all of you who say "Oh, it would never happen to me..." - you can't say that.  Because yeah, it could.  All it takes is a change in routine or a sleepless night or a stressful situation to distract you.  You can't tell me that you have never driven to work on auto-pilot, and just kind of snapped back to yourself and realized you were at work and can't remember the drive in, especially if it is a daily routine. 

I turned around and took her to the babysitter and all was well. But I still have nightmares about this incident and always will, and nothing even happened. 

[JR4AU]

Its hard to defend the guy as "leaving the kid in the car accidentally" or "forgetting" when he made a cognitive effort to go back out and "check" on him at lunch. This is probably what Prosecutor and law enforcement knew that we didn't that brought about the charge. And then there is the google search.

No one on here is "saying so"....the evidence is saying so. Yeah, he will have his day in court, innocent until proven guilty and all that, but its seriously hard to dispute this evidence. I'd really like to see this guy explain it away. This should be good.

He went to check on him at lunch?  It says that?

Fwiw...the warrant is not evidence.

They are looking for evidence of knowledge or intent...they may have found it.  Maybe.

[Kaos]

Look, he had to make some harsh decisions in his life. 

Food and clothing for a child or additional personalized tags and stickers for his vehicle. 

Caring for a child or appropriately displaying his Bama fandom? 
Caring for a child or saving money for Got 16 t-shirts and stickers which will be out in January?
Caring for a child or having enough cash to rent a bigger TV to watch Bama dominate the "Final Four' ?
Caring for a child or being able to travel back to Tuscaloosa for the championship parade?
Caring for a child or getting that houndstooth hat he saw at Cracker Barrel?
Caring for a child or scraping together gas money to have his picture taken in front of Saban's statue?

Choice is pretty obvious once you look at the facts.  Saban worship trumps all. 

[JR4AU]

This guy did this on purpose - but lots of parents don't.  It can happen and does happen, like any accident, and in my personal opinion, it is not a criminal offense, and should not be prosecuted at all (cases like this asshole excepted).  I know for a fact those parents will suffer more than you could possibly imagine.

It came close to happening to me, and I don't think anyone here would or could accuse me of being a neglectful mom.  Our regular morning routine was broken up by a doctor's appointment, and I got halfway to work before I realized I had not taken Katie to the babysitter. She was asleep in her car seat in the backseat and I completely forgot she was there.  Scared the living shit out of me, because I was only too aware of what could have happened.  She was newborn little, I had already gone back to work and was tired from being up all hours of the night nursing, and was driving on auto pilot.  So for all of you who say "Oh, it would never happen to me..." - you can't say that.  Because yeah, it could.  All it takes is a change in routine or a sleepless night or a stressful situation to distract you.  You can't tell me that you have never driven to work on auto-pilot, and just kind of snapped back to yourself and realized you were at work and can't remember the drive in, especially if it is a daily routine. 

I turned around and took her to the babysitter and all was well. But I still have nightmares about this incident and always will, and nothing even happened.

Some here believe it cant happen by accident and its a crime if it does.

[CCTAU]

He went to check on him at lunch?  It says that?

Fwiw...the warrant is not evidence.

They are looking for evidence of knowledge or intent...they may have found it.  Maybe.

Some people seem to think they have it all figured out. The guy is obviously guilty. I mean they are investigating him. SO he has to be guilty.

I don't know if he did this on purpose or not. But like I said earlier, if he did, I'll help throw the rope over a limb.

But to run around convicting a guy from news reports? Well, most of you are smart enough to know the news fashions things to their benefit. If there is nothing to see here, you don't read, watch, or listen. They lose.

I've just come to the conclusion that we should stick to the innocent until PROVEN guilty process.

Some of you wold have TW in therapy now for admitting she forgot about the sitter. Obviously she was contemplating killing her baby...

[Kaos]

Some people seem to think they have it all figured out. The guy is obviously guilty. I mean they are investigating him. SO he has to be guilty.

I don't know if he did this on purpose or not. But like I said earlier, if he did, I'll help throw the rope over a limb.

But to run around convicting a guy from news reports? Well, most of you are smart enough to know the news fashions things to their benefit. If there is nothing to see here, you don't read, watch, or listen. They lose.

I've just come to the conclusion that we should stick to the innocent until PROVEN guilty process.

Some of you wold have TW in therapy now for admitting she forgot about the sitter. Obviously she was contemplating killing her baby...

Out on a limb here, dog.  I usually stand with you but this one is off the rails for me. 

Too many coincidences.  Too much inconsistency in his story. 

Agree that rush to judgment (Zimmerman) is bad.  But so is rush to defense.  We had morons setting up a DEFENSE FUND for this guy and hailing him as a hero/victim before extenuating circumstances were known. 

Hail Saban.

[WiregrassTiger]

All it takes is a change in routine or a sleepless night or a stressful situation to distract you.  You can't tell me that you have never driven to work on auto-pilot, and just kind of snapped back to yourself and realized you were at work and can't remember the drive in, especially if it is a daily routine. 

You've said this more eloquently than I but it's what I'm feeling. Accidents CAN happen to anyone and there is a difference between accidents and negligence. End of story. I don't yet know which applies in this instance, yet. But early reports have it sounding like neither.

[CCTAU]

Out on a limb here, dog.  I usually stand with you but this one is off the rails for me. 

Too many coincidences.  Too much inconsistency in his story. 

Agree that rush to judgment (Zimmerman) is bad.  But so is rush to defense.  We had morons setting up a DEFENSE FUND for this guy and hailing him as a hero/victim before extenuating circumstances were known. 

Hail Saban.

I hear ya. I do not agree with the setting up of a support group for the guy. And things really do not look kosher. But I cannot definetively say he killed his own child on purpose.

And any support I may have given the guy, is the same support I would giver any parent who "forgot"
 their child.

As this plays out, if he is found guilty, the amount of heartbreak I will feel, not only for the child, but for humanity itself will be epic.

And I have to believe that a person must be proven guilty.


I am not defending the man or his actions, I am defending the process.

The whole situation is sickening no matter what the legal outcome is.

[GH2001]

Some people seem to think they have it all figured out. The guy is obviously guilty. I mean they are investigating him. SO he has to be guilty.

I don't know if he did this on purpose or not. But like I said earlier, if he did, I'll help throw the rope over a limb.

But to run around convicting a guy from news reports? Well, most of you are smart enough to know the news fashions things to their benefit. If there is nothing to see here, you don't read, watch, or listen. They lose.

I've just come to the conclusion that we should stick to the innocent until PROVEN guilty process.

Some of you wold have TW in therapy now for admitting she forgot about the sitter. Obviously she was contemplating killing her baby...

As Kaos said, youre off the rails dude. And I also usually agree with you on most things.

And this is NOTHING like Zimmerman. That involved self defense and a lot of gray area. This involves the death of a toddler and possible neglect. And he IS innocent until proven guilty. I think most of what were saying is in response to the people who have made this guy out to be some kind of facebook hero, throwing money at him without knowing anything. They are worse than those who were proclaiming guilt of murder before anything actually came out.

If you go back and look in this thread, I said there was a middle ground somewhere. Pretty sure Chad and THS did as well. I don't think there was anyone on here that came right out and said " a child is dead so hang the mf'er!".

[AUChizad]

He went to check on him at lunch?  It says that?

Fwiw...the warrant is not evidence.

They are looking for evidence of knowledge or intent...they may have found it.  Maybe.

http://nypost.com/2014/06/25/dad-knew-son-was-trapped-inside-hot-car-warrant/

A newly filed arrest warrant supporting the murder charge against 33-year-old Justin Ross Harris states that he stopped with his son for breakfast and also returned to put something inside his vehicle around lunchtime while the child was inside it.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/facts-will-show-death-kid-hot-car-not-negligence-says-n140491

"During lunch said accused (Harris) did access the same vehicle through the driver's side door to place an object into the vehicle," the warrant said. "Said accused then closed the door and left the car, re-entering his place of business."

That, plus the fact that he "forgot" him between taking him to breakfast and the 0.2 miles to his work, plus the smoking gun that he was googling how long it takes to kill an animal in a hot car...

You have to be a fucking idiot to defend this as an accident. Plain & simple. You have to be so invested in your predetermined position that this guy is a hero and deserving of our sympathy that you have shut off your brain in order to defend him.

Period.

And TW didn't forget her kid and kill it. If she had, that would be criminal negligence. But she didn't.