Wine Tasting: It's Junk Science

[Townhallsavoy]

Anyone who claims they eat tomatoes for "the taste" is lying.

AMIRITE

[AUChizad]

Son, never trust a man who doesn't drink because he's probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They're the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They're usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they're a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can't trust a man who's afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It's damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he's heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl.

[Kaos]

Son, never trust a man who doesn't drink because he's probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They're the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They're usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they're a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can't trust a man who's afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It's damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he's heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl.

Meant in humor, I know.

I drank. Drank a lot.  Never had to kneel because it doesn't affect me that way.  Don't get hangovers.

I'm better when I don't drink.

I've even drifted back into the "I can have a few and handle it" self delusion. 

My life is better when I don't. 

[Saniflush]

"There are two kinds of problem drinkers in the world.  Those that drink too much and those that drink too little."
-Winston Churchill

[Ogre]

Not my business, but that's a dangerous path Ogre.  We "think" we can control our dragons.  That is the lie we tell ourselves.  But in truth they control us.  And they know they way to our souls.

I truly appreciate your sentiment.  I agree with you that it could be a dangerous path.  I had to put "safeguards" around my imbibing.  I also had a long discussion with my wife prior to my first glass. She fully supports me and also holds me accountable. Since I don't travel for work anymore it is much easier for her to do so. 

The weird thing is that I have something I've never experienced before - a cutoff switch.  I've only treaded close to the line of a buzz once and the internal guilt and conviction was too much to bear, so I put it down mid-drink.  This is such a foreign concept to me because my mantra for the first 31 years of my life was to drink until I passed out. 

I promise not to go off on another sermon, but I fully attribute this to the freedom I've found in Christ.  God has fully transformed me from the inside-out to the point where my desires have changed.  I have absolutely no desire to get drunk.  Not even a little bit.  I do, however, enjoy the taste of red wine and one glass or so does relax me.  It's not something I could have done even a year ago.  After much prayer and consideration and a successful trial run where I didn't go full-bore on a 3 day bender, I realized that God has truly changed me into a new creation.

In all seriousness, that is good news. All hope is not lost for you having a couple of beers at an X-Gate again one day (responsibly, if you so choose that method).

Maybe one day.  Although I doubt you guys would recognize me.  This fat face is long gone:

 

[GH2001]

Meant in humor, I know.

I drank. Drank a lot.  Never had to kneel because it doesn't affect me that way.  Don't get hangovers.

I'm better when I don't drink.

I've even drifted back into the "I can have a few and handle it" self delusion. 

My life is better when I don't.

I think some people can and others can't. Some have to just stop totally. All in how we're wired.

My old man couldn't just drink a couple. It would spiral. Me? I can. Never had an issue. I still only drink something once maybe twice a month. And it's the equivalent each time of 2-3 beers or a glass of wine or two. I may go another month or two sometimes before having another. Just never been an issue for me.

But for those who do have an issue? I totally understand the need to abstain.

[dallaswareagle]

Lying to themselves as well. 

It all tastes like gasoline.

Gonna Disagree, nothing like after a long day, going out, sitting on a patio and a tall cold beer. (Blue moon my preference) or on about the third hole the beer cart lady comes by and you grab a couple for the rest of the round.

Everybody has their own thing.

[Kaos]

Gonna Disagree, nothing like after a long day, going out, sitting on a patio and a tall cold beer. (Blue moon my preference) or on about the third hole the beer cart lady comes by and you grab a couple for the rest of the round.

Everybody has their own thing.

If it was the "taste" you would drink non-alcoholic beer.  You don't. 

End of story. 

[GH2001]

If it was the "taste" you would drink non-alcoholic beer.  You don't. 

End of story.

It can be both. Fermented hops combined with carbonation appeals to many. Especially when cold on a hot day. Then at the same time it helps relax or knock the edge off.

You've obviously never had any of dallas' super keen beer.

[dallaswareagle]

If it was the "taste" you would drink non-alcoholic beer.  You don't. 

End of story.

If they made a "non-alcoholic" beer that was worth a damn I would agree but they don't. They make that shit to appease a very small section of drinkers.

[dallaswareagle]

It can be both. Fermented hops combined with carbonation appeals to many. Especially when cold on a hot day. Then at the same time it helps relax or knock the edge off.

You've obviously never had any of dallas' super keen beer.

I made my own beer for a while, tasted like crap (non-keen). Tis easier for me to just buy it.

[AU_Tiger_2000]

If it was the "taste" you would drink non-alcoholic beer.  You don't. 

End of story.

If non-alcoholic beer tasted like decent alcoholic beer that might be an option.

[Townhallsavoy]

If non-alcoholic beer tasted like decent alcoholic beer that might be an option.

A friend of mine brought up a point.  Grape soda taste like sweeter more potent grape flavor than any wine does. 

While I'm not in Kaos's boat, I do admit that beer is straight up nasty.  It tastes bad.  Occasionally I can suffer through drinking one.  I did last night because my father-in-law offered me a Guinness, so I drank it. 

But really, the only alcohol I enjoy is bourbon or Irish whiskey neat in a cold glass. 

[Snaggletiger]

A friend of mine brought up a point.  Grape soda taste like sweeter more potent grape flavor than any wine does. 

While I'm not in Kaos's boat, I do admit that beer is straight up nasty.  It tastes bad.  Occasionally I can suffer through drinking one.  I did last night because my father-in-law offered me a Guinness, so I drank it. 

But really, the only alcohol I enjoy is bourbon or Irish whiskey neat in a cold glass.

Never got the Guinness thing.  (Wes, you stay out of this)  I've tried several times with an open mind but that shipth is just plain nasty.

[ssgaufan]

Never got the Guinness thing.  (Wes, you stay out of this)  I've tried several times with an open mind but that shipth is just plain nasty.

 

[AU_Tiger_2000]

A friend of mine brought up a point.  Grape soda taste like sweeter more potent grape flavor than any wine does. 

While I'm not in Kaos's boat, I do admit that beer is straight up nasty.  It tastes bad.  Occasionally I can suffer through drinking one.  I did last night because my father-in-law offered me a Guinness, so I drank it. 

But really, the only alcohol I enjoy is bourbon or Irish whiskey neat in a cold glass.

I like bitter things, dark chocolate, greens, black coffee, Kaos, unsweetened tea, red wine, and beer.  Straight up hard liquor, hardly ever touch the stuff.  My favorite hard liquor drink is gin and tonic, which again has the bitter quinine flavor to it.

[AUTiger1]

I do admit that beer is straight up nasty.  It tastes bad.  Occasionally I can suffer through drinking one.  I did last night because my father-in-law offered me a Guinness, so I drank it. 

Never got the Guinness thing.  (Wes, you stay out of this)  I've tried several times with an open mind but that shipth is just plain nasty.

 

 

I like bitter things, dark chocolate, greens, black coffee, Kaos, unsweetened tea, red wine, and beer.  Straight up hard liquor, hardly ever touch the stuff.  My favorite hard liquor drink is gin and tonic, which again has the bitter quinine flavor to it.

[Snaggletiger]

Beer snob

[dallaswareagle]

Never got the Guinness thing.  (Wes, you stay out of this)  I've tried several times with an open mind but that shipth is just plain nasty.

Guinness is not even the biggest seller in Ireland. Budweiser has their own plant over there and brew a stronger brew. (at least when I was there late 90's)

[GH2001]

Guinness is not even the biggest seller in Ireland. Budweiser has their own plant over there and brew a stronger brew. (at least when I was there late 90's)

Cause it's cheap as dirt.

See they got this depression on. I got to do for me and mine.