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OMG he'll be the next president!
« on: August 05, 2008, 05:16:45 PM »
Media bias?  Inaccurate reporting?  Or just a sign of IMPENDING DOOM?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080805/ap_on_el_pr/presidential_race_ap_poll

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By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Solid margins among women, minorities and young voters have powered Barack Obama to a 6 percentage point lead over John McCain in the presidential race, according to a poll released Tuesday.


Obama is ahead of his Republican rival 47 percent to 41 percent, The Associated Press-Ipsos poll showed. The survey was taken after the Democratic senator from Illinois had returned from a trip to Middle Eastern and European capitals, and during a week that saw the two camps clash over which had brought race into a campaign in which Obama is striving to become the first African-American president.

McCain, the senator from Arizona, is leading by 10 points among whites and is even with Obama among men, groups with whom Republicans traditionally do well in national elections.

Obama leads by 13 points among women, by 30 points among voters up to age 34, and by 55 points among blacks, Hispanics and other minorities, the poll shows.

Independent Ralph Nader and Libertarian Bob Barr both won support from less than 5 percent of the registered voters surveyed. When people were asked who they would support if Nader and Barr were not on the ballot, Obama's lead over McCain was virtually unchanged.

The poll showed a huge Democratic advantage when voters ponder which party they would like to see control Congress next year. Democrats were favored over Republicans 53 percent to 35 percent, underscoring the mountainous disadvantage McCain and other GOP candidates are facing in the Nov. 4 voting.

The poll illustrated other ways damage has been inflicted on the Republican brand name as well.

Just 18 percent think the country is moving in the right direction, and only 31 percent approve of the job President Bush is doing. Both readings are a bit better than the record lows in the AP-Ipsos poll that both measures scored in mid-July.

Congressional approval was at 19 percent, just above last month's all-time AP-Ipsos low. Because Congress is almost always widely disliked as an institution and its members come from both parties, that reading is usually a murky measure of whether the majority party — Democrats this year — is in trouble.

The poll was conducted from July 31-Aug. 4 and involved telephone interviews with 1,002 adults, for whom the margin of sampling error was plus or minus 3.1 percentage points. Included were interviews with 833 registered voters, for whom the error margin was plus or minus 3.4 points.

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Re: OMG he'll be the next president!
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2008, 04:39:36 PM »
Media bias?  Inaccurate reporting?  Or just a sign of IMPENDING DOOM?
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Of course it is but Obama's RealClearPolitics.com Average (which incorporates the poll cited in this article) still shows him with a 47.1 to 44.0 lead over McCain.  Only one poll done between 23 July and 5 Aug shows McCain ahead.  Beyond that only 3 polls of the past 30 show McCain with a lead.  Scary.  We ARE doomed!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html#intrade
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Re: OMG he'll be the next president!
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2008, 04:58:05 PM »
Of course it is but Obama's RealClearPolitics.com Average (which incorporates the poll cited in this article) still shows him with a 47.1 to 44.0 lead over McCain.  Only one poll done between 23 July and 5 Aug shows McCain ahead.  Beyond that only 3 polls of the past 30 show McCain with a lead.  Scary.  We ARE doomed!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html#intrade

I posted that article to gain exactly what I knew you could give me:  clarification.  Thank you.

Here is the next thing I would like for you to debunk and/or verify.  It came in an email, with no link (scared yet?), and it has a fair amount of Conservative propaganda in it...or does it?

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INTERESTING DATA JUST RECEIVED ON TAXES
                       
Spread the word.....
                        This is something you should be aware of so you don't get blind-sided. This is really going to catch a lot of families off guard. It should make you worry.
                       
                        Proposed changes in taxes after 2008 General election:
                       
CAPITAL GAINS TAX
                        MCCAIN
                        0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples) McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.
                       
                        OBAMA
                        28% on profit from ALL home sales
                       
                        How does this affect you?
If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes.
If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.
                       
DIVIDEND TAX
        MCCAIN 15% (no change)
       
        OBAMA 39.6%
       
        How will this affect you?
        If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama become president.
        The experts predict that 'higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.
       
INCOME TAX
       
        MCCAIN (no changes)
       
        Single making 30K - tax $4,500
        Single making 50K - tax $12,500
        Single making 75K - tax $18,750
        Married making 60K - tax $9,000
        Married making 75K - tax $18,750
        Married making 125K - tax $31,250
       
        OBAMA
        (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
        Single making 30K - tax $8,400
        Single making 50K - tax $14,000
        Single making 75K - tax $23,250
        Married making 60K - tax $16,800
        Married making 75K - tax $21,000
        Married making 125K - tax $38,750
       
       
        Under Obama your taxes will
        more than double!
        How does this affect you?
        No explanation needed. This is pretty straight forward.
       
        INHERITANCE TAX
       
        MCCAIN 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)
       
        OBAMA Restore the inheritance tax
       
        How does this affect you?
Many families have lost businesses, farms and ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will not only lose them to these taxes.
       
        NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY OBAMA
       
        * New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than
        2400 square feet
        * New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already)
        * New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity)
        * New taxes on retirement accounts and last but not least....
       
        * New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!
       
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Re: OMG he'll be the next president!
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2008, 05:07:35 PM »
I got the same e-mail the other day.  I have not had time to verify, but my opinion is, I am not now or will will I ever support one new dollar in taxes.  With this being my view, I could never vote for a democrat.

We pay enough already, fuck em if they can't make their trillions last fo all their spending programs and pork
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Re: OMG he'll be the next president!
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2008, 05:32:27 PM »
I posted that article to gain exactly what I knew you could give me:  clarification.  Thank you.
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Glad that I could offer enlightenment.

Here is the next thing I would like for you to debunk and/or verify.  It came in an email, with no link (scared yet?), and it has a fair amount of Conservative propaganda in it...or does it?

I got the same e-mail the other day.  I have not had time to verify, but my opinion is, I am not now or will will I ever support one new dollar in taxes.  With this being my view, I could never vote for a democrat.

We pay enough already, fuck em if they can't make their trillions last fo all their spending programs and pork

As Ronald Reagan used to say "Trust, but verify."  I get a lot of emails like this myself (although I had not seen this one until you posted it, Thrilla).

I checked Snopes.com which is usually a great source for the veracity of emails like this one.  They do have an entry on this email and it's status is "False". 

Taxes, like the economy, cannot be truly rendered easily in relatively simple terms like this email.  When it comes to taxes I do know that generally McCain is against any new tax but once it is in place he'll defend it.  I think that he supports continuing the Bush tax cuts but if he does happen to win the election I still think he'll have a belligerent, Democrat Socialist controlled Congress to deal with which may allow only for some kind of compromise on it's continuance (meaning there will be a tax increase anyway because when RINOs compromise Democrats Socialists win.)  However, if Obama wins you can be assured that there will be a tax increase across the board (unless you're a Katrina "victim").

Anyway, Snopes.com has a lengthy rebuttal of this email which is worth reading if you want to educate yourself on this subject; be sure to read the links also:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/taxes.asp

I never forward crap like this without verifying it first.
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Re: OMG he'll be the next president!
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2008, 05:57:06 PM »

I never forward crap like this without verifying it first.

Me either.  I'd rather sacrifice it to the message board gods for evisceration.  Thanks again.
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Re: OMG he'll be the next president!
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2008, 11:39:06 AM »
Regarding Snopes on this tax e-mail...

Technically, Snopes is correct as The Obama hasn't directly advocated any of these tax increases as presented.  HOWEVER, his statements regarding taxes could lead you to believe taxes would change by a significant amount.  I won't go through everything right now, but he has suggested tax increases in all of the areas presented in this e-mail message. 

- He will let the "Bush tax cuts" expire resulting in the largest overnight tax increase our country has ever seen. 
- Home sales?  Well, contrary to Snopes, The Obama has suggested reducing and possibly eliminating the current exemption. 
- Capital gains?  The Obama wants an increase, but he hasn't been exactly clear on how he's going to fleece everyone.  He has mentioned that it should be higher than 15%, but he doesn't know if it should go to 20, 25 or 30%.  He has even mentioned as much as 35% in an interview.  Regarding Snopes on this topic, The Obama has said a number of things that contradict his other statements.  I wouldn't put any faith in anything this guy says right now. 
- Inheritance tax...  Snopes REALLY disappoints me.  Their explanation doesn't match The Obama's opinions on the topic.  There's something called the Unified Tax Credit that Snopes doesn't explain.  The Obama is going to permit expiry of the Unified Tax Credit, which will have an affect of permitting the government to tax all estates of any value.  I have not directly heard The Obama propose an increase to the UTC making it $3.5 million.  I've never seen a Democrat propose such a thing. 
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Re: OMG he'll be the next president!
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2008, 11:49:27 AM »
Regarding Snopes on this tax e-mail...

Technically, Snopes is correct as The Obama hasn't directly advocated any of these tax increases as presented.  HOWEVER, his statements regarding taxes could lead you to believe taxes would change by a significant amount.  I won't go through everything right now, but he has suggested tax increases in all of the areas presented in this e-mail message. 

- He will let the "Bush tax cuts" expire resulting in the largest overnight tax increase our country has ever seen. 
- Home sales?  Well, contrary to Snopes, The Obama has suggested reducing and possibly eliminating the current exemption. 
- Capital gains?  The Obama wants an increase, but he hasn't been exactly clear on how he's going to fleece everyone.  He has mentioned that it should be higher than 15%, but he doesn't know if it should go to 20, 25 or 30%.  He has even mentioned as much as 35% in an interview.  Regarding Snopes on this topic, The Obama has said a number of things that contradict his other statements.  I wouldn't put any faith in anything this guy says right now. 
- Inheritance tax...  Snopes REALLY disappoints me.  Their explanation doesn't match The Obama's opinions on the topic.  There's something called the Unified Tax Credit that Snopes doesn't explain.  The Obama is going to permit expiry of the Unified Tax Credit, which will have an affect of permitting the government to tax all estates of any value.  I have not directly heard The Obama propose an increase to the UTC making it $3.5 million.  I've never seen a Democrat propose such a thing. 

Thanks for clearing that up!
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The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me. 
-Ayn Rand

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
-The Right Honourable Margaret Thatcher

The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson