Elementary School Shooting

[AU_Tiger_2000]

Sorry, I wasn't going to comment further, but I can't help it.

WHAT THE fudge. This is up there with Westboro lunacy. So basically Rick is saying that the reason this is happening is because God is punishing us for not hating fags enough? "I don't wanna hear no medical science mumbo jumbo about no mental disorders!" Why isn't this happening more often in the Middle East and Asia where pretty much no one believes in the Christian God?

Maybe he wore body armor because he wanted to do as much damage as possible before offing himself? Nahhh...illogical. "Seems to be a conflict there, dudn't it," as Bubba so eloquently put it.

Seriously?  The only difference is there it is carried out by "sane" people who are well organized.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/9014282/Afghan-boy-suicide-bombers-tell-how-they-are-brainwashed-into-believing-they-will-survive.html  (Afghan child suicide bombers)

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/oct/26/world/la-fg-pakistan-education-taliban-20121027  (Taliban attacks schools and individual children in Afghanistan)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932011%29  (Multiple school attacks in China)

http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/2007/02/25/let_117908.shtml  (Child prostitutes in Thailand)

Took me all of 3 minutes to find.

[AUChizad]

I think Chad's issue with Rick's rant is that he is not addressing the issue.  The issue is mental illness and how to prevent similar instances in the future.  Instead, Rick decides to use the tragedy as a way to preach down to people and sway people towards his religious view point. 

Like you said, there have been tragedies throughout history.  To say God is smiting us and that we need to beg his forgiveness or we will burn like Rome, is...well...why a lot of people turn up there noses towards some Christians.

Exactly.

5:30

Shaking his head with disgust that we are "chasin' off after gun control. Chasin' off after...we're gon' have some discussion about mental illness. So God can't stop someone who's mentally ill from slaughtering people? Of course he can! The question you'd better ask yourself is why isn't God holdin back his wrath? Why is he allowing it to happen, because he is. That better be our focus. Anything less than that will solve nothing."

Seriously? So he's saying A) humans don't have free will, and B) he's dismissing the very notion of even having discussions about mental illness because it's ignoring the "real" issue, which is that our society is not "righteous" enough for God's liking, so he's punishing us?

Tell me how this is different from the Westboro Baptist Church?

[Ogre]

Seriously? So he's saying A) humans don't have free will, and B) he's dismissing the very notion of even having discussions about mental illness because it's ignoring the "real" issue, which is that our society is not "righteous" enough for God's liking, so he's punishing us?

Tell me how this is different from the Westboro Baptist Church?

Rick's view is Rick's view.  I don't necessarily agree that this is part of "God's Wrath."  Evil events occur, and will continue to occur until Jesus returns.  In saying that, no person, group or society will ever be "righteous" enough for God's liking.  From America to Israel to Iran to North Korea, not one country will ever attain that status.  No one person will either, for that matter. 

[bottomfeeder]

I think Chad's issue with Rick's rant is that he is not addressing the issue.  The issue is mental illness and how to prevent similar instances in the future.  Instead, Rick decides to use the tragedy as a way to preach down to people and sway people towards his religious view point. 

Like you said, there have been tragedies throughout history.  To say God is smiting us and that we need to beg his forgiveness or we will burn like Rome, is...well...why a lot of people turn up there noses towards some Christians.

The treatment for Autism/Assburgers and the condition itself are the cause of violence.

Shame on the Columbia Journalism Review for such shoddy claims. Nobody is saying that Asperger's or Autism leads to violence. It is the medications prescribed for those conditions that are the problem. There is a long and well-documented link between SSRI medications and random acts of otherwise inexplicable violence. The web site ssristories.com lists 66 incidents of violence at schools in which the perpetrators were taking or withdrawing from prescription anti-depressants at the time. One of the Columbine killers, Eric Harris, was on Zoloft then later Luvox (the other shooter's medical records have never been released). It is reasonable to ask what medications the Dark Knight Shooter was taking, or the man who shot up that mall in Portland.

Congress has already held hearings on the dangers of SSRIs, but members of congress do not want to risk campaign contributions from Big Pharma, nor does the corporate media wish to lose those lucrative pharmaceutical advertising deals, so the public is kept in the dark, and the blame for violence dropped on guns.

The medical profession also knows there is a problem. They even have a fancy-sounding name for it, "Akathisia", a name used to cloud the link between psychotic episodes and prescription anti-depressants. According to the website lawyersandsettlements.com it is normal for pharmaceutical corporations to settle claims out of court and include a non-disclosure clause along with payment to the families. When cases do go to court, the court records are usually sealed.

Don’t take my word for it, web-search “SSRI suicide” and “SSRI homicide” and “SSRI violence” and you shall know the truth, and the truth shall piss you off!

http://whatreallyhappened.com/node/208201

http://lib.bioinfo.pl/pmid:10647977

[GH2001]

The treatment for Autism/Assburgers and the condition itself are the cause of violence.

http://lib.bioinfo.pl/pmid:10647977

For once I agree with you somewhat. Although I think the drugs are a component of the entire problem.

[Vandy Vol]

In saying that, no person, group or society will ever be "righteous" enough for God's liking.  From America to Israel to Iran to North Korea, not one country will ever attain that status.  No one person will either, for that matter.

Even these guys?

[AUTailgatingRules]

I'm not going to preach, and it may or may not have had anything to do with this case....

But if you take God out of EVERYTHING, you end up with a GODLESS society

[bottomfeeder]

I'm not going to preach, and it may or may not have had anything to do with this case....

But if you take God out of EVERYTHING, you end up with a GODLESS society

Isn't that what we presently have in this country?

[Snaggletiger]

Isn't that what we presently have in this country?

No.  Not even close

[Ogre]

Even these guys?

Especially those guys. 

[Townhallsavoy]

I'm not going to preach, and it may or may not have had anything to do with this case....

But if you take God out of EVERYTHING, you end up with a GODLESS society

Like taking God out of the Catholic Church, which led to all those child molestations. 

Or taking God out of the evangelical church, which led to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scandals_involving_evangelical_Christians#List_of_evangelical_Christians_involved_in_scandals .

[AUJarhead]

Hey, Jimmy Swaggart was really, really sorry.

[bottomfeeder]

No.  Not even close

I think we are closer than most people realize.

[Godfather]

Like taking God out of the Catholic Church, which led to all those child molestations. 

Or taking God out of the evangelical church, which led to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scandals_involving_evangelical_Christians#List_of_evangelical_Christians_involved_in_scandals .

Big difference between God and man...and man made religions.  Religions unto themselves are fallible because they are made, run and determined by fallible men based on books written 2000 plus years ago.

[Ogre]

Big difference between God and man...and man made religions.  Religions unto themselves are fallible because they are made, run and determined by fallible men based on books written 2000 plus years ago.

Interesting take.  So with that stated, what you do you make of Jesus' life?  I'm genuinely curious.

[AWK]

Interesting take.  So with that stated, what you do you make of Jesus' life?  I'm genuinely curious.

The story of Jesus was written by a man, not named Jesus.

[Snaggletiger]

The story of Jesus was written by a man, not named Jesus.

So, first hand, eye witness accounts from those who walked side by side with him mean nothing?

[Townhallsavoy]

So, first hand, eye witness accounts from those who walked side by side with him mean nothing?

No one said that.

[Snaggletiger]

No one said that.

Why was the comment even necessary if that wasn't pretty much the intent?  The question was what do you think about Jesus' life.  Answer:  It was a story written by man.

[AWK]

Why was the comment even necessary if that wasn't pretty much the intent?  The question was what do you think about Jesus' life.  Answer:  It was a story written by man.

Well, it was.  And I was just adding to Godfather's comment for further discussion.