NTYF-Article-All out? One from Anniston star

dallaswareagle · « **on:** October 15, 2012, 05:03:24 PM »

On our mess

http://www.nevertoyieldfoundation.com/2012/all-out/

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #1 on:** October 15, 2012, 05:06:38 PM »

Damn, they went a different direction than usual. Kudos. Had to be said.

War Eagle!!! · « **Reply #2 on:** October 15, 2012, 05:08:23 PM »

You know things must be bad if they write an article like that...

Godfather · « **Reply #3 on:** October 15, 2012, 05:09:34 PM »

Hard to argue. Kind of what we have all been saying about Jacobs.

Shug Dye · « **Reply #4 on:** October 15, 2012, 05:19:25 PM »

I'm just glad somebody had the balls to write it and put it out there.

AWK · « **Reply #5 on:** October 15, 2012, 05:19:59 PM »

Didn't expect that, but it makes sense.

The Six · « **Reply #6 on:** October 15, 2012, 05:34:25 PM »

At least now there' something to replace the Mississippi State preview.

jmar · « **Reply #7 on:** October 15, 2012, 07:24:39 PM »

See there, I asked for "All Out" and someone at the NTYF responded accordingly. Thank you !

Not sure what happens from here but it's a start. And who knows, maybe we can get a better H.C. if

Jacobs and his cronies are out of the way.

JR4AU · « **Reply #8 on:** October 15, 2012, 07:33:41 PM »

I had been wondering how the NTY was going to approach this, if at all. Good stuff.

wesfau2 · « **Reply #9 on:** October 15, 2012, 07:54:04 PM »

It's the ugly truth.

I appreciate that they can advocate for the protection of Auburn from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Tiger Wench · « **Reply #10 on:** October 15, 2012, 08:53:58 PM »

Sometimes you go for it on fourth and long.

And sometimes, it's best to punt.

Objective fans understand this.

AUChizad · « **Reply #11 on:** October 15, 2012, 09:23:56 PM »

Quote from: jmar on October 15, 2012, 07:24:39 PM

See there, I asked for "All Out" and someone at the NTYF responded accordingly. Thank you !

Not sure what happens from here but it's a start. And who knows, maybe we can get a better H.C. if

Jacobs and his cronies are out of the way.

jmar: King of teh skreetz.

Kaos · « **Reply #12 on:** October 15, 2012, 09:48:51 PM »

I'm not sold on it. Regardless of what happens to Chizik or Jacobs or anybody else, that's for us to decide.

I hate things being out in public like they are. Things like this should be handled "in house."

Not sure how they reconcile saying Chizik deserves a year to figure things out a month a go to whatever this is today.

Is it hypocritical?

I mean i guess I can see that he ISN'T figuring things out. I guess maybe last in the SEC wasn't conceivable a month ago.

And it really wasn't like they said somebody had to be fired. But it's all anybody seems to want to talk about. Can Chizik survive?

You know how I feel about JJ. I've made that clear. Whatever happens needs to start there.

The Six · « **Reply #13 on:** October 15, 2012, 09:52:51 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on October 15, 2012, 09:48:51 PM

I'm not sold on it. Regardless of what happens to Chizik or Jacobs or anybody else, that's for us to decide.

I hate things being out in public like they are. Things like this should be handled "in house."

Not sure how they reconcile saying Chizik deserves a year to figure things out a month a go to whatever this is today.

Is it hypocritical?

I mean i guess I can see that he ISN'T figuring things out. I guess maybe last in the SEC wasn't conceivable a month ago.

And it really wasn't like they said somebody had to be fired. But it's all anybody seems to want to talk about. Can Chizik survive?

You know how I feel about JJ. I've made that clear. Whatever happens needs to start there.

You're not sold on there needing to be a change or you're not sold on the talking about the apparent "fracture" in the fanbase?

Kaos · « **Reply #14 on:** October 15, 2012, 10:23:00 PM »

Quote from: TheSix on October 15, 2012, 09:52:51 PM

You're not sold on there needing to be a change or you're not sold on the talking about the apparent "fracture" in the fanbase?

Not necessarily sold on putting it out in public like that. There are enough external forces attacking us.

The venom we're unleashing on each other seems counter productive and just what they want from us.

That said? If Bama was 1-5 and on the verge of the worst season in history? There would be hordes waving rebel flags and organizing an pick up truck and shotgun assault on Tuscaloosa. Ten times worse than what we see now.

The Six · « **Reply #15 on:** October 15, 2012, 10:47:57 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on October 15, 2012, 10:23:00 PM

That said? If Bama was 1-5 and on the verge of the worst season in history? There would be hordes waving rebel flags and organizing an pick up truck and shotgun assault on Tuscaloosa. Ten times worse than what we see now.

This. Twice.

Yoda · « **Reply #16 on:** October 15, 2012, 10:58:08 PM »

I'm glad someone pointed this shit out, sometimes the truth hurts. It's time for a change, unless winning 7-8 games a year is now acceptable for Auburn fans. It's not for me.

jmar · « **Reply #17 on:** October 16, 2012, 12:17:29 AM »

Probably not a popular view but:
Auburn will survive this much better long term IF Jay Jacobs is the focus. I care about other sports too. Those athletes deserve better just as much as those playing football. Without the push for Jacob's removal, the target is squarely on Chizik. And what will Chizik do? He'll get rid of the O.C. Loeffler. That's what Tub's would do too. But assuming the football program cannot be miraculously resuscitated; when Jacobs finally has his revelation, he will either fire Chizik or tender him an offer to step down gracefully. And I don't want to let Jacobs have that satisfaction because that way he gets to stay and Auburn is stuck with him. That's why Jacobs has to go, first and foremost. Then we will likely get a better AD and hopefully in turn a better Head Coach with the old guard out of the way which truth be known, probably scares off some good candidates. The problem with this beyond the unknown amount of precious time it will waste, is that you rarely hear of a fanbase screaming for an AD's head although Hamilton at Tennesse was an exception. Perhaps Auburn can school off of UT's dilemma and come out of this without suffering too badly. ESPN and other outlets will of course be on hand to do their dirty work.

bottomfeeder · « **Reply #18 on:** October 16, 2012, 12:27:55 AM »

Quote from: jmar on October 16, 2012, 12:17:29 AM

Probably not a popular view but:
Auburn will survive this much better long term IF Jay Jacobs is the focus. I care about other sports too. Those athletes deserve better just as much as those playing football. Without the push for Jacob's removal, the target is squarely on Chizik. And what will Chizik do? He'll get rid of the O.C. Loeffler. That's what Tub's would do too. But assuming the football program cannot be miraculously resuscitated; when Jacobs finally has his revelation, he will either fire Chizik or tender him an offer to step down gracefully. And I don't want to let Jacobs have that satisfaction because that way he gets to stay and Auburn is stuck with him. That's why Jacobs has to go, first and foremost. Then we will likely get a better AD and hopefully in turn a better Head Coach with the old guard out of the way which truth be known, probably scares off some good candidates. The problem with this beyond the unknown amount of precious time it will waste, is that you rarely hear of a fanbase screaming for an AD's head although Long at Tennesse is an exception. Perhaps Auburn can school off of UT's dilemma and come out of this without suffering too badly. ESPN and other outlets will of course be on hand to do their dirty work.

Very nice and well put. I rule in your favor.

The Six · « **Reply #19 on:** October 16, 2012, 09:00:25 AM »

Quote from: jmar on October 16, 2012, 12:17:29 AM

Probably not a popular view but:
Auburn will survive this much better long term IF Jay Jacobs is the focus. I care about other sports too. Those athletes deserve better just as much as those playing football. Without the push for Jacob's removal, the target is squarely on Chizik. And what will Chizik do? He'll get rid of the O.C. Loeffler. That's what Tub's would do too. But assuming the football program cannot be miraculously resuscitated; when Jacobs finally has his revelation, he will either fire Chizik or tender him an offer to step down gracefully. And I don't want to let Jacobs have that satisfaction because that way he gets to stay and Auburn is stuck with him. That's why Jacobs has to go, first and foremost. Then we will likely get a better AD and hopefully in turn a better Head Coach with the old guard out of the way which truth be known, probably scares off some good candidates. The problem with this beyond the unknown amount of precious time it will waste, is that you rarely hear of a fanbase screaming for an AD's head although Long at Tennesse is an exception. Perhaps Auburn can school off of UT's dilemma and come out of this without suffering too badly. ESPN and other outlets will of course be on hand to do their dirty work.

I don't disagree with your premise but consider what you are asking. You are asking a largely new Board of Trustess and a university President known to be "hands off" to take on that old guard and shove them out the door. It's not just JJ. It's TJ. It's Dye. And don't forget who the most powerful board member is right now. With the state of the economy in this state much less this faltering nation, Auburn's BOT doesn't want to look like they are being kneejerk or irresponsible with funds from the public (meaning funds gained through tickets, fundraising, concessions, and support but not tax $ per se). I have a feeling this is just a storm we are all going to have to ride out and deal with. 8-4 may be a high mark when it's all said and done because let's all realize another Cam Newton is not walking through that door in February on signing day. That was a once in a lifetime moment. This will just have to do.