Not sure what is worse

[GH2001]

I am not taking a shit on the creed. At all. What I do take a shit on is people using the creed to excuse a bullshit football performance. Fuck that.

Agree. Fair enough.

I think the nice medium is about halfway between the Wiregrass/Prowler camp and the Kaos/GreasyWeasal camp.

[War Eagle!!!]

Agree. Fair enough.

I think the nice medium is about halfway between the Wiregrass/Prowler camp and the Kaos/GreasyWeasal camp.

You can't lump Kaos in with that. If so, you haven't paid attention to the things Kaos has said leading up to Saturday.

[Kaos]

You can't lump Kaos in with that. If so, you haven't paid attention to the things Kaos has said leading up to Saturday.

Like for the last two fucking years or even for the last two fucking days. 

 

[GH2001]

You can't lump Kaos in with that. If so, you haven't paid attention to the things Kaos has said leading up to Saturday.

Yes, I know. But I had to kick him back in the balls from the other thread. Comparing someone to GW is about the same.

I do NOT think Kaos = GW.  GW is on a planet of his own. Maybe with Terry from Talladega.

And more importantly, does this mean Kaos' and Prowler's 2 year friendship is over?

[Kaos]

Yes, I know. But I had to kick him back in the balls from the other thread. Comparing someone to GW is about the same.

I do NOT think Kaos = GW.  GW is on a planet of his own. Maybe with Terry from Talladega.

And more importantly, does this mean Kaos' and Prowler's 2 year friendship is over?

Nope.  Prowler has his own opinion.  Not sure where mine is yet.  I don't like what I see, but who does?

No ball kicking either. You kicked and connected with your own face.  It happens.  The blood will stop eventually.

[GH2001]

Nope.  Prowler has his own opinion.  Not sure where mine is yet.  I don't like what I see, but who does?

No ball kicking either. You kicked and connected with your own face.  It happens.  The blood will stop eventually.

Theyre numb. You'll feel it in a min.

[Tiger Wench]

Lest anyone misunderstand:  I am not "invoking the Creed".  Never once did I say anything about that.  This thread has two different issues - (1) who would we replace Chiz with and (2) how much we suck.  The Creed tells us how we are supposed to conduct ourselves in our daily lives so that we represent Auburn University in the best way possible.  The Creed has nothing to do with how we criticize the coaches or the on-field product that was spewed forth this past Saturday.

I am not on the Fire Chiz bandwagon yet, but it would not take much more to put me on the tailgate.  HOWEVER, for obvious human reasons, I would not want someone like Tressel, Carroll or Petrino as head coach at my beloved university.  I want to win but I do not want to sell out our honor and integrity to do so.  That's not the Creed talking - that's ME PERSONALLY saying"Why the hell would we want a fucking scumbag wearing orange and blue?"

We can demand excellence in our football program - we don't have to sell our souls to get it, but we can sure as hell demand that it be present.  Like someone else said - I don't mind losing as long as the effort is there.  But getting blown out is never acceptable.

So anyone on the other boards wrapping themselves in the Creed and taking a sanctimonious "Better Auburn Man/Woman Than You" role can go fuck themselves with a dead stick off a Toomer's Oak.   

And Wiregrass, if you are actually thinking you will be welcomed on THIS board for saying shit like that?  Think again, asshole.  I would take a loyal Auburn fan who has never set foot on campus any day over some self-righteous prig like you.  You are no better than a turd for saying shit like that.  You can go fuck yourself twice.

[War Eagle!!!]

Lest anyone misunderstand:  I am not "invoking the Creed".  Never once did I say anything about that.  This thread has two different issues - (1) who would we replace Chiz with and (2) how much we suck.  The Creed tells us how we are supposed to conduct ourselves in our daily lives so that we represent Auburn University in the best way possible.  The Creed has nothing to do with how we criticize the coaches or the on-field product that was spewed forth this past Saturday.

I am not on the Fire Chiz bandwagon yet, but it would not take much more to put me on the tailgate.  HOWEVER, for obvious human reasons, I would not want someone like Tressel, Carroll or Petrino as head coach at my beloved university.  I want to win but I do not want to sell out our honor and integrity to do so.  That's not the Creed talking - that's ME PERSONALLY saying"Why the hell would we want a fucking scumbag wearing orange and blue?"

We can demand excellence in our football program - we don't have to sell our souls to get it, but we can sure as hell demand that it be present.  Like someone else said - I don't mind losing as long as the effort is there.  But getting blown out is never acceptable.

So anyone on the other boards wrapping themselves in the Creed and taking a sanctimonious "Better Auburn Man/Woman Than You" role can go fuck themselves with a dead stick off a Toomer's Oak.   

Well Said.

[Godfather]

But getting blown out is never acceptable.

Getting blown out by an average Mississipi State team is below that.  I wasn't even looking at the wagon, as it passed by, but now I am up to a brisk walk trying to look for it.

[Josh007]

 

I laughed my ass off at this one. I typed it all out instead of settling for the acronym because hustle like yours deserves it.

Haha, so did I. I love this forum! I'm glad I decided to join.

[War Eagle!!!]

Getting blown out by an average Mississipi State team is below that.  I wasn't even looking at the wagon, as it passed by, but now I am up to a brisk walk trying to look for it.

And I will add that it is because things seem to be getting worse with no optimism in sight. Be competitive and play hard without looking like a retarded monkey.

[War Eagle!!!]

Haha, so did I. I love this forum! I'm glad I decided to join.

Fuck you. Give your dog to Jumbo.

Prayers sent and O.N.E. game at a time.

[AWK]

Haha, so did I. I love this forum! I'm glad I decided to join.

Hmmm...

[GH2001]

And I will add that it is because things seem to be getting worse with no optimism in sight. Be competitive and play hard without looking like a retarded monkey.

There are two things that make it harder to handle too: Bama is a juggernaut and we have recruited lights out the last 4 years. We know we have talent. We know under Tot and Tubs the last few years had sub par recruiting so that was naturally looked at as part of the issue. The Auburn Tigers of 2012 have talent, hence why this is so perplexing. God, I hope were not just seeing the tip of the iceberg here. 

[GH2001]

Haha, so did I. I love this forum! I'm glad I decided to join.

Last name "Moon"?

[HSVBeerNerd]

Lest anyone misunderstand:  I am not "invoking the Creed".  Never once did I say anything about that.  This thread has two different issues - (1) who would we replace Chiz with and (2) how much we suck.  The Creed tells us how we are supposed to conduct ourselves in our daily lives so that we represent Auburn University in the best way possible.  The Creed has nothing to do with how we criticize the coaches or the on-field product that was spewed forth this past Saturday.

I am not on the Fire Chiz bandwagon yet, but it would not take much more to put me on the tailgate.  HOWEVER, for obvious human reasons, I would not want someone like Tressel, Carroll or Petrino as head coach at my beloved university.  I want to win but I do not want to sell out our honor and integrity to do so.  That's not the Creed talking - that's ME PERSONALLY saying"Why the hell would we want a fucking scumbag wearing orange and blue?"

I agree with you totally, but then again.. maybe bring in Petrino as an OC instead of HC??? Much easier to tolerate a scumbag when he's a coordinator than the face of the entire program Then again, it'd only be a one-two year stint if something like that was seriously entertained before he was back to HC elsewhere.

I want to say I saw something that resembled a bunch formation this weekend. On the play, you had 3 guys to the left.. maybe it was a draw play or some sorta hb run of some sort. Anywho, at the snap those three just stood there clueless while Miss St just flooded through to the QB for a sack. A play designed to take pressure off the QB.. that in the end only added to it.

The offensive playcalling is blowing my mind. Granted I'm an armchair coach but either it's 80% run because of all of the problems with Frasier or just horrific playcalling sprinkled with players that are just confused as to what they are supposed to be doing at any given time.

I don't know what the right answer is to the problem.. but I do know that I've seen continuous regression since 2010. I see blatant regression now, with the exception that I believe our special teams play has been great. I've seen mixed responses on other sites, but I disagree with the blind faith approach of "believe in Auburn don't criticize anything" and the scorched earth "fire everyone right now" approach.. but honestly, who is left to replace Chizik with other than Terry Bowden or something?? One thing I miss about the Tubbs years.. at least there was some stability in the program for a period of time. Who is there to replace Frazier with if he's the problem?? You have Mosely who is injured, and a red shirt QB. That's it. There are no other options.

[Snaggletiger]

Think about it.  We gave up 28 points and less than 400 yards on the road to a decent...yes it's MSU...but a decent ball club.  And that with 5 turnovers and a QB that is no threat to complete a pass at any time or place.  The D needs to change up some guys and sack up.  We just need a QB.  We don't have one...it won't change....but we just need a QB.  Get one and they don't score 28...we're at least in it til the end. 

[GH2001]

Think about it.  We gave up 28 points and less than 400 yards on the road to a decent...yes it's MSU...but a decent ball club.  And that with 5 turnovers and a QB that is no threat to complete a pass at any time or place.  The D needs to change up some guys and sack up.  We just need a QB.  We don't have one...it won't change....but we just need a QB.  Get one and they don't score 28...we're at least in it til the end.

And with Holland being our QB of the D.....not good. We essentially have 2 bad QB's.

[Kaos]

I would not want someone like Tressel, Carroll or Petrino as head coach at my beloved university.  I want to win but I do not want to sell out our honor and integrity to do so.  That's not the Creed talking - that's ME PERSONALLY saying"Why the hell would we want a fucking scumbag wearing orange and blue?"

First -- this is not a request nor a demand to fire Chizik.  It is merely a discussion of what might happen if that bomb were to drop. 

Tressell I get.  Maurice Clarett/Mike Dyer.  We already did that.  And then there's the whole lying to the NCAA thing.

Carroll I get.  Dirty NCAA cheating liar who ran rather than take the consequences of the mess he made. 

They both have NCAA baggage that I don't want or need regardless of how well they may coach.

But Bobby? 

He whored around with a hot girl.  Wow.  That just doesn't bother me in the same way.  You add to the fact that he KNOWS he screwed up and isn't going to do it again? 

He handled his hiring and departure from the Falcons poorly.  Oh, hey, Saban did too.  Most people don't handle those situations well. 

And add the fact that he will work twice as hard to redeem himself?   Somebody is going to get a hell of a coach.  It won't be us, too much water under the bridge. 

If something WERE to happen to Chizik we'd have a pretty difficult track record to overcome.  Lose and you are GONE motherfucker.  Top coaches won't be banging on our door.  A guy like Petrino, somebody who now needs us more than we need him, might be the best we could do. 

[GH2001]

I agree with you totally, but then again.. maybe bring in Petrino as an OC instead of HC??? Much easier to tolerate a scumbag when he's a coordinator than the face of the entire program Then again, it'd only be a one-two year stint if something like that was seriously entertained before he was back to HC elsewhere.

I want to say I saw something that resembled a bunch formation this weekend. On the play, you had 3 guys to the left.. maybe it was a draw play or some sorta hb run of some sort. Anywho, at the snap those three just stood there clueless while Miss St just flooded through to the QB for a sack. A play designed to take pressure off the QB.. that in the end only added to it.

The offensive playcalling is blowing my mind. Granted I'm an armchair coach but either it's 80% run because of all of the problems with Frasier or just horrific playcalling sprinkled with players that are just confused as to what they are supposed to be doing at any given time.

I don't know what the right answer is to the problem.. but I do know that I've seen continuous regression since 2010. I see blatant regression now, with the exception that I believe our special teams play has been great. I've seen mixed responses on other sites, but I disagree with the blind faith approach of "believe in Auburn don't criticize anything" and the scorched earth "fire everyone right now" approach.. but honestly, who is left to replace Chizik with other than Terry Bowden or something?? One thing I miss about the Tubbs years.. at least there was some stability in the program for a period of time. Who is there to replace Frazier with if he's the problem?? You have Mosely who is injured, and a red shirt QB. That's it. There are no other options.

I thought the same with the playcalling too. Ive backed off that a little after watching the game again. I think (like JR said) Loeffler is playing to Frazier's ability which is not good at the moment. Giving him the best chances to make plays. And even then he is failing to execute. Loeffler put him in position to make plays Saturday and he just didn't do it. Not sure what else the OC can do other than to break down film and point blank ask him what the hell the problem was pulling the trigger with wide open WRs.