Romney chooses...

[Ogre]

Paul Ryan as VP.

Discuss.

[Townhallsavoy]

This election season has so far been the nastiest I've ever heard of.  It's on par with the University of Alabama naming Harvey Updyke their minister of propaganda. 

So while Paul Ryan may be a good vice president candidate, he's not doing much for me in terms of fighting back against the horrific slander of the Obama campaign.

The only positive is that he's Catholic and that may help reinforce the anti-gay marriage, pro-life, anti-contraception policy that Catholics would want and Obama is against. 

But I don't think he brings in the female vote.  He definitely doesn't bring in the hispanic vote.  He's from Wisconsin, so any kind of urban vote or youth vote or media hype is gone.

Maybe he'll surprise me. 

[Townhallsavoy]

http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Paul_Ryan.htm

[Tarheel]

Paul Ryan as VP.

Discuss.

My initial thoughts...

A great choice; it tells me that Wisconsin is in play in this election cycle which is very encouraging.  Paul Ryan comes from a younger generation and from the mid-west; he's brilliant on economics, he's a young man of great character, and he strikes me as someone who is not of the Washington "Beltway" insiders.

On another note I was very impressed with Romney's speech especially his use of appealing to the "better angels of our nature"; a clear reference from the first inaugural speech of Lincoln in which he expressed a hope to unite the nation which was on the precipice of civil war.

Both speeches were very positive and attacked The Pharaoh on the economy which what needs to be done constantly.

[Tarheel]

This election season has so far been the nastiest I've ever heard of.  It's on par with the University of Alabama naming Harvey Updyke their minister of propaganda. 

So while Paul Ryan may be a good vice president candidate, he's not doing much for me in terms of fighting back against the horrific slander of the Obama campaign.

The only positive is that he's Catholic and that may help reinforce the anti-gay marriage, pro-life, anti-contraception policy that Catholics would want and Obama is against. 

But I don't think he brings in the female vote.  He definitely doesn't bring in the hispanic vote.  He's from Wisconsin, so any kind of urban vote or youth vote or media hype is gone.

Maybe he'll surprise me.

Good points but none of it matters if Ryan (and Gov. Scott Walker) can bring Wisconsin into the Republican column this year...if they can do that then The Pharaoh looses as long as North Carolina, Florida, and Virginia go Republican as well.

[Townhallsavoy]

Good points but none of it matters if Ryan (and Gov. Scott Walker) can bring Wisconsin into the Republican column this year...if they can do that then The Pharaoh looses as long as North Carolina, Florida, and Virginia go Republican as well.

Ryan's for some kind of weird coupon in place of Medicare, right? How is Romney going to pick up votes in Florida with this guy?

Rubio was my choice not because of his views or values, but because of his skin.  He would have inspired the Hispanic vote and hulled in Florida.  Wisconsin was winnable, but I'm really unconfident about Florida. 

[Kaos]

I heard.  I yawned. 

[Tarheel]

Ryan's for some kind of weird coupon in place of Medicare, right? How is Romney going to pick up votes in Florida with this guy?

Rubio was my choice not because of his views or values, but because of his skin.  He would have inspired the Hispanic vote and hulled in Florida.  Wisconsin was winnable, but I'm really unconfident about Florida.

Rubio is still going to be campaigning in South Florida for Romney regardless of not being on the ticket and Jeb Bush's {hispanic} son will also be heavily campaigning there too which will make it possible to win in South Florida.  The voters I'm concerned about getting out to the polls at least in Florida (outside of S. Fla.), North Carolina, and Virginia are the rural, white, evangelicals who are going to have to get up off of their collective asses on election day and vote for a Mormon.  It really doesn't matter who Romney picked to assuage them (unless he picked a Muslim).  If they get out and vote Romney will win in those states; if they don't then he won't.  Perhaps he could have picked Huckleberry to help with that issue but then he's sure to loose in Ohio; I can't see Ohio voting for Huckleberry.

Outside of that I think that Ryan will be a huge plus for the more esoteric, uncommitted voters in the must-win states of Ohio and Iowa.  Now, with Ryan, Wisconsin is another mid-western state that is in the play (I had some doubts about that state and had it going for Obama which meant that Nevada and Colorado mattered; with Wisconsin in play Nevada and Colorado can go blue and Romney can still win enough electoral votes to win the White House).

I really thought that Romney was going to pick a boring, safe {read losing} choice like Tim Pawlenty but he didn't.  And Ryan will keep the message on the Economy which is a winning message in my humble opinion.  I think he's a great choice.

[Tarheel]

I heard.  I yawned.

I betting that you will still vote for Romney.

[Kaos]

I betting that you will still vote for Romney.

I would vote for Romney if he'd chosen Buddy the Elf as his running mate. 

i'd vote for Chopper 12.4 with a running mate of Titan Tiger over Obama. 

[Tarheel]

I would vote for Romney if he'd chosen Buddy the Elf as his running mate. 

i'd vote for Chopper 12.4 with a running mate of Titan Tiger over Obama.

Well said; and I did chortle.

[Townhallsavoy]

I've read that the Romney/Ryan ticket will bring entitlements into serious play.  I don't like it.  Conservatives against entitlements and liberals for entitlements are already set.  The independent voter that is uneducated and swayed by the wind (most of them) will be easily persuaded by anecdotal evidence that Obama will use to support entitlements. 

It's already easy for the left to vilify Romney as the rich overlord that wants to hurt people to get more money for himself.  Bringing entitlements into the game is going to reinforce that. 

[Tarheel]

Ryan's for some kind of weird coupon in place of Medicare, right? How is Romney going to pick up votes in Florida with this guy?

Rubio was my choice not because of his views or values, but because of his skin.  He would have inspired the Hispanic vote and hulled in Florida.  Wisconsin was winnable, but I'm really unconfident about Florida.

I apologize for not answering the Medicare comment; didn't mean to ignore it.  My opinion is that we've got to wake up to reality: it has be reformed or it's going away and in conjunction with that we've GOT to stop the out-of-control spending.  Ryan has some ideas and a plan which may not be great but it's a start.  We can't keep out collective heads in the sand.  At least he's not afraid take on the challenge unlike the Dems and many Republicans who want status quo which isn't going to work.

[Tarheel]

I've read that the Romney/Ryan ticket will bring entitlements into serious play.  I don't like it.  Conservatives against entitlements and liberals for entitlements are already set.  The independent voter that is uneducated and swayed by the wind (most of them) will be easily persuaded by anecdotal evidence that Obama will use to support entitlements. 

It's already easy for the left to vilify Romney as the rich overlord that wants to hurt people to get more money for himself.  Bringing entitlements into the game is going to reinforce that.

In understand; but Entitlements are another side-issue; they've got to stay on-topic with the Economy and not get bogged down.  The Dems can't talk about the economy because they OWN the 8% + unemployment at this point.

[Kaos]

In understand; but Entitlements are another side-issue; they've got to stay on-topic with the Economy and not get bogged down.  The Dems can't talk about the economy because they OWN the 8% + unemployment at this point.

No, Bush did that I'm pretty sure.  i've been told that more times than I've been told about Bammer's 11, 14, 11ty3 championships. 

I also laughed my ASS off when I heard Boobama slam Reagan and say "we've tried that trickle down economy and it didn't work." 

It DIDN'T FUCKING WORK?  Are people really stupid enough to just buy that line from this stuffed shirt assclown without bothering to check? 

Reagan's economic policies turned around a country gripped by Carter's malaise and created an environment where we surged to unprecedented heights and amazing wealth.  We went from a country teetering on the brink of economic ruin -- remember gas lines? Remember 8% unemployment? -- and turned that shit around stat.  Unemployment was down to nearly 4% when Reagan was done.  Those policies paved the way for the US to survive a mild recession and then thrive like a motherfucker when Clinton was in office.

But no... we don't want to go back to those "failed" policies now.  We need hope!  We need change! We need forward!  We need gay rights! 

I am constantly amazed at just how stupid people are.  No reasonable, thinking human being could be fooled by this hot-air puffing, not even born in this country fraudulent poser.  And yet millions are. 

 

[Tarheel]

I've read that the Romney/Ryan ticket will bring entitlements into serious play.  I don't like it.  Conservatives against entitlements and liberals for entitlements are already set.  The independent voter that is uneducated and swayed by the wind (most of them) will be easily persuaded by anecdotal evidence that Obama will use to support entitlements. 

It's already easy for the left to vilify Romney as the rich overlord that wants to hurt people to get more money for himself.  Bringing entitlements into the game is going to reinforce that.

In hindsight there are some specific entitlements that WILL have to be brought into serious play because they will have to be challenged in a serious debate on limited FedGov and balancing a budget but, as I mentioned, they need to be taken-on.

I know you're skeptical by your posts so I'll offer to you what a religiously libertarian friend of mine posted of FB today for reasons not to vote for Ryan because he:

Voted for TARP 1
Voted for the Home Affordable Refinance Program
Voted for the 2008 and 2009 Stimulus
Voted for Medicare Expansion (Bush Medicare Prescription Drug Program)
Voted for a National ID
Voted for the Patriot Act
Voted for No Child Left Behind
Voted for Keeping Troops in Iraq

There you go; he's not perfect.

So you have some choices; can vote for Romney/Ryan, The Pharaoh and the idiot, the Green Party, the Libertarian Party, the Constitutional Party, or you can not vote at all.

I've made my choice.  And Mitt Romney has raised $1.2 million dollars in the past few hours since picking Ryan.

[Tarheel]

No, Bush did that I'm pretty sure.  i've been told that more times than I've been told about Bammer's 11, 14, 11ty3 championships. 

I also laughed my ASS off when I heard Boobama slam Reagan and say "we've tried that trickle down economy and it didn't work." 

It DIDN'T FUCKING WORK?  Are people really stupid enough to just buy that line from this stuffed shirt assclown without bothering to check? 

Reagan's economic policies turned around a country gripped by Carter's malaise and created an environment where we surged to unprecedented heights and amazing wealth.  We went from a country teetering on the brink of economic ruin -- remember gas lines? Remember 8% unemployment? -- and turned that shit around stat.  Unemployment was down to nearly 4% when Reagan was done.  Those policies paved the way for the US to survive a mild recession and then thrive like a motherfucker when Clinton was in office.

But no... we don't want to go back to those "failed" policies now.  We need hope!  We need change! We need forward!  We need gay rights! 

I am constantly amazed at just how stupid people are.  No reasonable, thinking human being could be fooled by this hot-air puffing, not even born in this country fraudulent poser.  And yet millions are. 

 

Well said again Kaos and I'm an old-fart enough to remember those bad times and how the Gipper turned it around.  We'll never see another Reagan again I'm afraid which means right-thinking folk like us have to stay engaged in government.

[djsimp]

I for one am very excited about the fact Ryan is the VP pick. Its been a while that I can actually stomach listening to more that 10 minutes of political rhetoric these days but I can sit
through whatever Ryan has to say. Without going into some deep boring opinion about it, I can
say at least the guy has some pretty damn good smarts especially when it comes to the economics.
We need that more than anything right now. Also, like mentioned, he is somewhat of a change
to the same old DC face clogging up the TV screen.

I would love to see a VP debate b/w Ryan and Biden. They should air this on Comedy Central
as "The Roast of Joe Biden".

[Kaos]

Well said again Kaos and I'm an old-fart enough to remember those bad times and how the Gipper turned it around.  We'll never see another Reagan again I'm afraid which means right-thinking folk like us have to stay engaged in government.

Yeah, I'm guessing people just don't remember that time.  How could they and have any faith in Dumboma? 

We didn't even know what we had in Reagan when he was elected. I helped with Carter's campaign in 1976.  I wanted to be governor of Alabama (like George Wallace) when I was a little kid.  That was my ultimate goal.  So I was barely old enough to walk and I'm passing out Carter flyers and buttons.  Helped any way I could.  Worked on Wallace's 1982 campaign, too.  But I digress.   

I believed in Carter's hope, change and peanuts in 1976.  But I saw quickly that he was completely inept. Even as a kid I knew.  And when 1980 came along I hesitantly and grudgingly turned to Reagan.  I believed some of Carter's rhetoric.  I believed Reagan was too out of touch, that he didn't have enough political background, that he was a left coast liberal masquerading as a populist, that he pandered to the rich, etc. 

Most people don't remember this, but Carter was absolutely waxing Reagan's ass up until about a month before the election.  Almost a double digit lead if memory serves.  But Reagan obliterated Carter in the last debate and people finally saw the reality. 

Carter went from being ahead to the point that people were calling the election to racking up all but six states. 

It was amazing.  And the last time I've seen the American public come through.  We didn't know what we had and came very close to not electing one of the greatest presidents in our history.

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