What Should Happen At Penn State?

[Kaos]

I don't think this is like a recruiting scandal.  Players, coaches, and fans shouldn't be hurt because of the actions of others.  That's usually how the NCAA punishes programs.

I do, however, think Penn State needs a break.  There is absolutely no coming back from this and to be honest, it's fucking disgusting to think about.  Even as a non-Penn State fan, I don't want to watch their games because I know the thoughts of old men raping little boys is going to come up in conversation.  It's always going to be a black cloud hanging over Beaver Stadium.

The NCAA should look at everyone involved and get rid of them.  Anyone remotely associated with the case needs to go or be transferred.  The players should be granted a full release to another school or remain and retain their scholarship and earn their degree. 

Give the program a few years to let this settle and bring them back.

SMU wants a definition of "a few years"

[Townhallsavoy]

SMU wants a definition of "a few years"

No idea.  But I do think this should be less punishment and more of a restructuring and healing process for the fans and players not associated with the scandal. 

[JR4AU]

Wes is right, and they aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. This is both a Criminal AND NCAA matter.

If I work for a bank and do something criminal relating to my work (ie - embezzling), my employer and their governing body (Federal Reserve and FDIC) and the police are all involved for different reasons. I don't want to let Penn State off the hook with the NCAA simply because I don't like the NCAA or because I don't want the Bahr elevated above Joe Pa.

If an NCAA violation has occured, they will get in trouble. If one hasn't then they won't. I think it at least needs to be looked at and everything on the table.

I will be swayed that it's an NCAA matter when someone can show me the NCAA bylaws that were violated.  I've done some reading on this a while back, and I can't find any.  "Lack of Institutional Control" is not a catch all charge.  It's charged when there's a systematic, long standing, violation of multiple NCAA Bylaws.  Last I checked, the NCAA is not in the business of punishing sex offenders.  I don't think they have any rules about that.  I can't imagine that when any NCAA bylaw was written, that anything like this situation was contemplated.  Someone once cited some bylaw that was tantamount to "conduct unbecoming" or something like that.  Ok, that's one rule IF the facts here apply to the way it's written and what conduct in contemplates.   

The trial is over.  This came to light many months ago.  What has the NCAA done, other than, for the sake of looking like they care, claim they would "look in to it"?  He was found guilty.  The truth all came out.  Where's the PLOI?  If I'm a betting man, and I am at times, I'd probably take action that it will never come to pass that the NCAA levies sanctions due to this, and if it were the death penalty, I'd pay double the bet.   The public, alumni, and recruits will levy their own sanctions on PSU.  They will be irrelevant for years.

Again though, the arguments for NCAA involvement are compelling, save one tiny item.  What NCAA Bylaws were violated?  Show me that, and don't try to twist and stretch to get there, and I'll be sold that it's an NCAA matter. 

Me hedging my bets...the NCAA could just make some fucking shit up and raze State College PA.  They should have all the equipment needed and it should be brand new and unused as they stocked up to do to AU in 2010, and all hopes were lost. 

[JR4AU]

No idea.  But I do think this should be less punishment and more of a restructuring and healing process for the fans and players not associated with the scandal.

Is anybody with any culpability in the whole mess still at PSU in any capacity?

[Townhallsavoy]

Is anybody with any culpability in the whole mess still at PSU in any capacity?

[Godfather]

The mascot was involved...DEATH PENALTY!

[WDE_10]

How refreshing would it be if the powers that be at Penn State stepped up, said "You know what?  We all stepped in it big time here.  Let's find a way to recover some of our dignity." 

They then proceed to self-impose panalties on themselves, up to and including bowl and championship bans for an extended period of time.  The program is not shut down and it continues to create revenue, which is then used to compensate victims and settle lawsuits.  No new facilities, coaches are severely restricted on recruiting and they make no "investment" on improving their abaility to compete on the field.  This is in place for ohhh, six years or so.  Once that period is over, they can start thinking about being a college football contender. 

Just an idea and of course the devil is in the details...

[AUChizad]

How refreshing would it be if the powers that be at Penn State stepped up, said "You know what?  We all stepped in it big time here.  Let's find a way to recover some of our dignity." 

They then proceed to self-impose panalties on themselves, up to and including bowl and championship bans for an extended period of time.  The program is not shut down and it continues to create revenue, which is then used to compensate victims and settle lawsuits.  No new facilities, coaches are severely restricted on recruiting and they make no "investment" on improving their abaility to compete on the field.  This is in place for ohhh, six years or so.  Once that period is over, they can start thinking about being a college football contender. 

Just an idea and of course the devil is in the details...

I can pretty much guarantee that they are going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel with recruits anyway. Your scholarship list would have to be pretty low to sign up to be associated with that program after all of this.

[WDE_10]

I can pretty much guarantee that they are going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel with recruits anyway. Your scholarship list would have to be pretty low to sign up to be associated with that program after all of this.

All the more reason they should do something that at least makes it appear they care.  They are going to struggle anyway, why not slap some self-imposed stuff on themselves and make it a little worse, but in the long run, does good from the PR side? 

[Kaos]

I can pretty much guarantee that they are going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel with recruits anyway. Your scholarship list would have to be pretty low to sign up to be associated with that program after all of this.

You serious Clark?

[Godfather]

You serious Clark?

 :ripted:

[WDE_10]

Is it just me or does this outfit look like something that a coked up mom designed and sewed for her kid after a particularly rough work night at Sammy's?

This abomination on the sidelines for the next ten years is punishment enough. 

Also, does Ted Roof always look like he is smelling his own farts?

[Godfather]

Is it just me or does this outfit look like something that a coked up mom designed and sewed for her kid after a particularly rough work night at Sammy's?

This abomination on the sidelines for the next ten years is punishment enough. 

Also, does Ted Roof always look like he is smelling his own farts?

I looks like the damn pedo bear.

[WDE_10]

I looks like the damn pedo bear.

No...

You looks like a cross between Franklin from Family Guy and Hello Kitty.

[dallaswareagle]

Is it just me or does this outfit look like something that a coked up mom designed and sewed for her kid after a particularly rough work night at Sammy's?

This abomination on the sidelines for the next ten years is punishment enough. 

Also, does Ted Roof always look like he is smelling his own farts?

He prolly could not stop them either.

[GH2001]

up to and including bowl and championship bans for an extended period of time. 

This would do nothing. Because these things were not going to be a factor for a while anyway.

[War Eagle!!!]

:ripted:

 

[WDE_10]

This would do nothing. Because these things were not going to be a factor for a while anyway.

You think Penn State would not make a bowl in the next 6 years?

A bowl game, something that only requires a .500 record?

Something Vandy went to last year?

[GH2001]

You think Penn State would not make a bowl in the next 6 years?

A bowl game, something that only requires a .500 record?

Something Vandy went to last year?

Ehhh, probably a low level bowl. I was moreless just attempting to poke fun at how irrelevant they have become anyway.

[Saniflush]

Ehhh, probably a low level bowl. I was moreless just attempting to poke fun at how irrelevant they have become anyway.

Well that's just a french benefit.