Ed Christian and Ladarius Phillips allegedly shot & killed

I certainly defer to the expert. Law school was a long time ago, but I still remember Bob Goodwin drilling into our heads: "murder is the unlawful taking of another's life with malice aforethought."

Of course he was the same guy that managed to work a joint into every hypo. Discussing B&E? Here's your hypo: Let's suppose you're at home smoking a marijuana cigarette and you walk outside to get some air. You see your neighbor's window slightly ajar...

Or how about an assault discussion? Let's say you're at home smoking a marijuana cigarette and you get into an argument with your neighbor about the football game on television.

Never had anything to do with the hypo...he just loved talking about the weed.

That silly Goodwin. He spent a lot of time on a bestiality case with us...and introduced marijuana into the fact pattern as well.

Talk about riding high on your horse...

AUChizad · « **Reply #548 on:** June 13, 2012, 03:08:05 PM »

All this discussion of change of venue...

Has the judge in the Harvey Updyke case ruled yet on the change of venue? If they proved that Harvey couldn't get a fair trial in Auburn, I don't see how this case would be any different.

GH2001 · « **Reply #549 on:** June 13, 2012, 03:14:17 PM »

Quote from: AUChizad on June 13, 2012, 03:08:05 PM

All this discussion of change of venue...

Has the judge in the Harvey Updyke case ruled yet on the change of venue? If they proved that Harvey couldn't get a fair trial in Auburn, I don't see how this case would be any different.

Who is the judge, Hughes or Walker? IMHO Hughes is the hardass of the two.

JR4AU · « **Reply #550 on:** June 13, 2012, 04:02:17 PM »

Quote from: AUChizad on June 13, 2012, 03:08:05 PM

All this discussion of change of venue...

Has the judge in the Harvey Updyke case ruled yet on the change of venue? If they proved that Harvey couldn't get a fair trial in Auburn, I don't see how this case would be any different.

I can. Updyke is far more likely to get a change of venue than Leonard.

Token · « **Reply #551 on:** June 13, 2012, 04:08:00 PM »

This case made the national news. Wasn't just a state issue. I'd be shocked to see a change of venue.

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #552 on:** June 13, 2012, 04:20:02 PM »

I only did about a year and a half of criminal work and never faced a change of venue issue. So, I honestly am no more an expert on the subject than anyone else on here. I am certain the Court will have to take it up, probably early on, and whether it happens I have no clue.

The shootings immediately became a national event, strictly because of who was involved. Had this happened at some neighborhood party and no players and/or students been involved, it might have made the Montgomery paper and the only people talking about it would be a handful of Finebaum callers using it to stir the pot about Awbren. But the fact that it did involve Auburn students and players, it hit close to home. We feel like we have a connection to those people. Some of our own were attacked and killed. And I would imagine that the citizens of Auburn are not only upset about the losses of some of their own, but angry as hell over this Woosie Woo coming to the Lovliest Village and causing a massacre.

I do see some similarities with the Updyke case as I would have to think that those same Auburn citizens are angry as hell, as we all are, over this guy....a rival fan at that...coming into their town and not only destroying property, but stealing a time honored tradition. I can see James, or whoever, having a compelling argument to move the case. Whether it's allowed or not, I could only guess.

GH2001 · « **Reply #553 on:** June 13, 2012, 04:25:06 PM »

Quote from: Snaggletiger on June 13, 2012, 04:20:02 PM

I only did about a year and a half of criminal work and never faced a change of venue issue. So, I honestly am no more an expert on the subject than anyone else on here. I am certain the Court will have to take it up, probably early on, and whether it happens I have no clue.

The shootings immediately became a national event, strictly because of who was involved. Had this happened at some neighborhood party and no players and/or students been involved, it might have made the Montgomery paper and the only people talking about it would be a handful of Finebaum callers using it to stir the pot about Awbren. But the fact that it did involve Auburn students and players, it hit close to home. We feel like we have a connection to those people. Some of our own were attacked and killed. And I would imagine that the citizens of Auburn are not only upset about the losses of some of their own, but angry as hell over this Woosie Woo coming to the Lovliest Village and causing a massacre.

I do see some similarities with the Updyke case as I would have to think that those same Auburn citizens are angry as hell, as we all are, over this guy....a rival fan at that...coming into their town and not only destroying property, but stealing a time honored tradition. I can see James, or whoever, having a compelling argument to move the case. Whether it's allowed or not, I could only guess.

I had a change of venue one night in Lee County. Fucking bouncers kicked me out of Blue Room/Neons (now the Sky Bar) and I was forced to finish the night at Bodega. Damn bouncers are tools I tell ya. I bet they sit around and watch roadhouse and talk about bouncing, and fondle themselves.

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #554 on:** June 13, 2012, 04:27:30 PM »

Quote from: GH2001 on June 13, 2012, 04:25:06 PM

I had a change of venue one night in Lee County. Fucking bouncers kicked me out of Blue Room/Neons (now the Sky Bar) and I was forced to finish the night at Bodega. Damn bouncers are tools I tell ya. I bet they sit around and watch roadhouse and talk about bouncing, and fondle themselves.

snicker

GH2001 · « **Reply #555 on:** June 13, 2012, 04:31:00 PM »

Quote from: Snaggletiger on June 13, 2012, 04:27:30 PM

snicker

Just trying to contribute my cherry picked anecdotal evidence as it concerns change of venue in Lee County for getting in trouble. And now you know......the rest of the story. Good DAY!

JR4AU · « **Reply #556 on:** June 13, 2012, 04:35:14 PM »

Quote from: GH2001 on June 13, 2012, 04:25:06 PM

I had a change of venue one night in Lee County. Fucking bouncers kicked me out of Blue Room/Neons (now the Sky Bar) and I was forced to finish the night at Bodega. Damn bouncers are tools I tell ya. I bet they sit around and watch roadhouse and talk about bouncing, and fondle themselves.

I didn't want to be drunk in pub LICK! I wanted to be drunk in that bar!

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #557 on:** June 13, 2012, 04:36:28 PM »

Quote from: JR4AU on June 13, 2012, 04:35:14 PM

I didn't want to be drunk in pub LICK! I wanted to be drunk in that bar!

I didn't know how many of em it was gonna' take....but I knew how many they were gonna' use.

AUChizad · « **Reply #558 on:** June 13, 2012, 04:38:29 PM »

Quote from: JR4AU on June 13, 2012, 04:02:17 PM

I can. Updyke is far more likely to get a change of venue than Leonard.

Why? Both affect the Auburn community/Auburn fans. Why do we have 38 pages and counting discussing this? We wouldn't if it happened in any other city in the US.

Quote from: JR4AU on June 13, 2012, 04:02:17 PM

I can. Updyke is far more likely to get a change of venue than Leonard.

I would say Updyke had even more national coverage.

JR4AU · « **Reply #559 on:** June 13, 2012, 04:39:38 PM »

they call me Tater Salad!