Ed Christian and Ladarius Phillips allegedly shot & killed

[JR4AU]

That's always the issue at hand.  Not just in this situation.

I'd say you're probably right. 

[AUChizad]

So, THS, et al, what are the issues here?  The fact they thought they had him, and your perception they let him slip through their fingers?  The fact they said things that got you excited about the prospect of capture, that now seem to be erroneous at this point?  Is it the job they're doing, how they're doing it, or how you're being fed information about how they're doing it?

All I'm saying is, if you're going to go on TV and tell everyone that you heard someone in the attic moving and coughing, you SAW a human form on a thermal imaging camera, and spend seven hours using various technologies, knowing you're being filmed throughout the whole thing, and then just fizzle into nothing, without explaining what the hell happened, it looks pretty foolish on their part. Then to hold two separate press conferences the following morning in which you sound like you have no idea what's going on, contradicting things you said earlier, and completely avoiding any sort of explanation for your false statements to the press, some egg is on their face.

I'm not saying I could do it better. I'm not saying they owe me an explanation personally. I understand it may not be necessary to tip their hand.

I'm just saying, it looks pretty disorganized on this end.

And I don't see how not completely ignoring the questions they were asked about why they were so confident that someone was in that attic, citing specific things like the thermal readings and hearing a person coughing is sensitive information, but I guess I don't know.

[djsimp]

Choppers on the web, landing on Hudson skreet.

Is that at Tanner intersection?

[AWK]

http://www.auburntigers.com/allaccess/?media=321377

[JR4AU]

All I'm saying is, if you're going to go on TV and tell everyone that you heard someone in the attic moving and coughing, you SAW a human form on a thermal imaging camera, and spend seven hours using various technologies, knowing you're being filmed throughout the whole thing, and then just fizzle into nothing, without explaining what the hell happened, it looks pretty foolish on their part. Then to hold two separate press conferences the following morning in which you sound like you have no idea what's going on, contradicting things you said earlier, and completely avoiding any sort of explanation for your false statements to the press, some egg is on their face.

I'm not saying I could do it better. I'm not saying they owe me an explanation personally. I understand it may not be necessary to tip their hand.

I'm just saying, it looks pretty disorganized on this end.

And I don't see how not completely ignoring the questions they were asked about why they were so confident that someone was in that attic, siting specific things like the thermal readings and hearing a person coughing is sensitive information, but I guess I don't know.

Thank you! 

It's like anything else, you're giving a critique after the fact, with the outcome known.  They were on the ground live, with the information that was current to them at the time.  If anything, their biggest error was giving out too much info while it was still unfolding. 

I've also not been able to see every presser, or hear everything said by police media liaisons, or whatever.   I don't know how much of the information you think (or anybody else thinks) came directly from them, vs what got reported, ie Tate's assertion that it wasn't tear gas, and what is attributed to them.  And, maybe you can just accept it as fact that, at some time yesterday, they had the thermal images, and heard what they thought was a cough, and it turned out not to be the suspect?  Technology can fail, or mislead, and it could ever be that from whoever was running the "technology" one thing was said, and by the time it got to a media liaison, it was somehow altered.   "We think we have a heat signature, and we're trying to confirm it's likely human" to "We have a heat signature on our infrared equipment, and have confirmed it's appears to be human."  (Or whatever was said)

Here's what I'm 100% sure of: Yesterday they acted on a tip they felt was credible.  When they arrived, they garnered further information that further supported that tip, and they acted accordingly.  I can't say if the tip was good or not, but in the end, the suspect wasn't where they thought he was.  I'm satisfied knowing that. 

 

[AUChizad]

Finebaum has said about 100 times that "there's more to this story, that when it comes out, we're going to have a completely different perspective".

Woosie's friends keep calling in talking about how great a guy he is, and how the Auburn football players started all of this, and poor Woosie was only acting in self defense. He had no choice in the  matter. It was fight or flight. The man is covering the truth up to salvage the image of Auburn.

Fuck these clowns. It's so absurd one would think it's not worth wasting your breath over. So it's self defense to block the exits of the clubhouse and spray the whole fuckin' place? Taking out six people, killing three? If it was self defense, then why is he STILL on the run from 9 state and federal agencies? Why not at least try to tell your side of the story? It's beyond absurd, and yet Paul is giving credence to it, saying over and over that "more will come out of this, and I think it will be totally different than the media is portraying it now".

And with that, I'm done with Finebaum again.

[The Prowler]

Why anyone thinks finebaum is someone to listen to, is beyond me. Y'all know his show is caller driven and y'all know what type of callers that call into that show (the updyke pieces of shit)...y'all should've known what was going to come out of the bald prick's mouth towards the end of the show.

[wesfau2]

Thank you! 

It's like anything else, you're giving a critique after the fact, with the outcome known.  They were on the ground live, with the information that was current to them at the time.  If anything, their biggest error was giving out too much info while it was still unfolding. 

I've also not been able to see every presser, or hear everything said by police media liaisons, or whatever.   I don't know how much of the information you think (or anybody else thinks) came directly from them, vs what got reported, ie Tate's assertion that it wasn't tear gas, and what is attributed to them.  And, maybe you can just accept it as fact that, at some time yesterday, they had the thermal images, and heard what they thought was a cough, and it turned out not to be the suspect?  Technology can fail, or mislead, and it could ever be that from whoever was running the "technology" one thing was said, and by the time it got to a media liaison, it was somehow altered.   "We think we have a heat signature, and we're trying to confirm it's likely human" to "We have a heat signature on our infrared equipment, and have confirmed it's appears to be human."  (Or whatever was said)

Here's what I'm 100% sure of: Yesterday they acted on a tip they felt was credible.  When they arrived, they garnered further information that further supported that tip, and they acted accordingly.  I can't say if the tip was good or not, but in the end, the suspect wasn't where they thought he was.  I'm satisfied knowing that.

Well, all I know is that Gus Malzahn could have been outcoached by a smacked out capuchin monkey in the Iron Bowl.

Fact.

[Vandy Vol]

Round 2!

@HABOTN
Chopper appears to be circling over the Halcyon South neighborhood.

How in the fuck is he able to hover with those little arms?

[Buzz Killington]

How in the fuck is he able to hover with those little arms?

Fist bumps of fury

[Pell City Tiger]

How in the fuck is he able to hover with those little arms?

In very tight little circles.

[djsimp]

In very tight little circles.

He's a hummingbird, let him fly!

[Townhallsavoy]

Thank you! 

It's like anything else, you're giving a critique after the fact, with the outcome known.  They were on the ground live, with the information that was current to them at the time.  If anything, their biggest error was giving out too much info while it was still unfolding. 

I've also not been able to see every presser, or hear everything said by police media liaisons, or whatever.   I don't know how much of the information you think (or anybody else thinks) came directly from them, vs what got reported, ie Tate's assertion that it wasn't tear gas, and what is attributed to them.  And, maybe you can just accept it as fact that, at some time yesterday, they had the thermal images, and heard what they thought was a cough, and it turned out not to be the suspect?  Technology can fail, or mislead, and it could ever be that from whoever was running the "technology" one thing was said, and by the time it got to a media liaison, it was somehow altered.   "We think we have a heat signature, and we're trying to confirm it's likely human" to "We have a heat signature on our infrared equipment, and have confirmed it's appears to be human."  (Or whatever was said)

Here's what I'm 100% sure of: Yesterday they acted on a tip they felt was credible.  When they arrived, they garnered further information that further supported that tip, and they acted accordingly.  I can't say if the tip was good or not, but in the end, the suspect wasn't where they thought he was.  I'm satisfied knowing that.

There's really no sense in having this conversation with you.  You've already established that the authorities are correct in whatever they say or not say because they know better because they're the authorities. 

[Vandy Vol]

My skreetz say that ole Woosie turned himself in recently.

[djsimp]

My skreetz say that ole Woosie turned himself in recently.

O'rilly?!

[AUChizad]

Pressed at 9:15

[Vandy Vol]

O'rilly?!

http://www.wsfa.com/story/18760658/auburn-shooting-suspect-desmonte-lee-turns-himself-in

MONTGOMERY, AL (WSFA) -

The man sought for a multi-victim shooting just off of the Auburn University campus last Saturday turned himself to authorities Tuesday evening, WSFA 12 News can confirm.

Details are limited at this time, but Desmonte Leonard, 22, turned himself in at the Montgomery Federal Courthouse.

WSFA 12 News has a crew en route to the courthouse. We'll have the latest information as soon as it becomes available.

[djsimp]

I give the all the credit to Chizik and his press conference. Did I mention that I love Coach Chizik?

[Token]

All I'm saying is, if you're going to go on TV and tell everyone that you heard someone in the attic moving and coughing, you SAW a human form on a thermal imaging camera, and spend seven hours using various technologies, knowing you're being filmed throughout the whole thing, and then just fizzle into nothing, without explaining what the hell happened, it looks pretty foolish on their part. Then to hold two separate press conferences the following morning in which you sound like you have no idea what's going on, contradicting things you said earlier, and completely avoiding any sort of explanation for your false statements to the press, some egg is on their face.

I'm not saying I could do it better. I'm not saying they owe me an explanation personally. I understand it may not be necessary to tip their hand.

I'm just saying, it looks pretty disorganized on this end.

And I don't see how not completely ignoring the questions they were asked about why they were so confident that someone was in that attic, citing specific things like the thermal readings and hearing a person coughing is sensitive information, but I guess I don't know.

And I agree with all of this.  They shouldn't have said a damn word until they have him in custody. 

[Townhallsavoy]

Evan Woodbery ‏@auburnbeat
Leonard attorney: "When the full story is told, it may sound different than the perception now."