Fuck DuWayne Bridges (Hooray Gourmet Bottle Bill)

[wesfau2]

It serves no useful purpose and just has a little side business in death. You know, like a hobby. 

Seen too many good people ruined and too many good lives lost for me to give one half of a rancid rat's shit about what motherfucking size container some peckerhead gets to buy.

For a guy who rails against the gubmint and its intrustion into your business and life, this is a radical departure.

[GH2001]

For a guy who rails against the gubmint and its intrustion into your business and life, this is a radical departure.

Was kind of my thought as well.

Gambling, porn, fast food, ANY hobby, luxury cars, sports - let's ban them all. Since they have no function other than entertainment and gluttony right? And I once saw a dude have a heart attack and he ate at McDs all the time, so McD's has to be shut down.

[Saniflush]

Gambling, porn, fast food,

Get the fuck off my Kool-aid.

[Kaos]

For a guy who rails against the gubmint and its intrustion into your business and life, this is a radical departure.

Radical but needed. 

We've attempted this exercise before and no one has been able to provide an answer that met the standard.

What benefits does alcohol provide (regardless what size container it comes in) that offset its negative effects? 

What legitimate purpose does beer serve? 

Nutrition? No.
Improve health? No.
Improve mental clarity? No.

But we need to make sure we can get it in 40 oz bottles.   

I don't like smoking either, but I can't remember the last time somebody had a few too many cigarettes and smacked his wife and kids around.  Don't recall anybody finishing off a pack of Marlboros and drove his car into somebody else and killed them.  So smoke up, just don't do it around me. 

Alcohol is the refuge of the weak. 

I have an occasional drink because it's almost societally mandated (which I honestly find offensive).  It pisses me off to be in a business situation and have other feeble-minded yahoos deride me because I don't care to have a beer with them.  And there are occasional times I'll have a drink or three at home or with friends. 

For the idiotic and absurd arguments about "somebody had a heart attack from McDonalds" or "movies are just for entertainment" please stop being obtuse.  Those sham arguments are beneath you.

When McDonald's addiction puts 10,000 people in the ground (number killed in drunk driving crashes in 2009 -- three times the number of soldiers killed in the Gulf wars since 2003), when going to a movie kills 1400 children under the age of 12 (the number of kids killed by drunk drivers in 2009) then I'll call for those things to be ended too.   

If you eat too many Big Macs you kill yourself.  You don't take others out with you.  So I don't give a shit.  I do give a shit about 10,000 people and 1500 kids killed.  I give a shit about the lives, marriages and careers that are destroyed, stats that don't show up on the sheet. 

My position on government's intrusion is so long as it doesn't hurt me, I don't care.  Alcohol DOES hurt me so I do.  It destroyed my business partner's ability to function to the point that he lost everything, it killed my first wife, it fucked up my own career path early on, it ruined several of my family members and helped squander the legacy my great grandfather left.   

It would be 1000000% fine with me if alcohol no longer existed.  I don't need it.  It serves no constructive purpose.

[wesfau2]

Radical but needed. 

We've attempted this exercise before and no one has been able to provide an answer that met the standard.

What benefits does alcohol provide (regardless what size container it comes in) that offset its negative effects? 

What legitimate purpose does beer serve? 

Nutrition? No.
Improve health? No.
Improve mental clarity? No.

But we need to make sure we can get it in 40 oz bottles.   

I don't like smoking either, but I can't remember the last time somebody had a few too many cigarettes and smacked his wife and kids around.  Don't recall anybody finishing off a pack of Marlboros and drove his car into somebody else and killed them.  So smoke up, just don't do it around me. 

Alcohol is the refuge of the weak. 

I have an occasional drink because it's almost societally mandated (which I honestly find offensive).  It pisses me off to be in a business situation and have other feeble-minded yahoos deride me because I don't care to have a beer with them.  And there are occasional times I'll have a drink or three at home or with friends. 

For the idiotic and absurd arguments about "somebody had a heart attack from McDonalds" or "movies are just for entertainment" please stop being obtuse.  Those sham arguments are beneath you.

When McDonald's addiction puts 10,000 people in the ground (number killed in drunk driving crashes in 2009 -- three times the number of soldiers killed in the Gulf wars since 2003), when going to a movie kills 1400 children under the age of 12 (the number of kids killed by drunk drivers in 2009) then I'll call for those things to be ended too.   

If you eat too many Big Macs you kill yourself.  You don't take others out with you.  So I don't give a shit.  I do give a shit about 10,000 people and 1500 kids killed.  I give a shit about the lives, marriages and careers that are destroyed, stats that don't show up on the sheet. 

My position on government's intrusion is so long as it doesn't hurt me, I don't care.  Alcohol DOES hurt me so I do.  It destroyed my business partner's ability to function to the point that he lost everything, it killed my first wife, it fucked up my own career path early on, it ruined several of my family members and helped squander the legacy my great grandfather left.   

It would be 1000000% fine with me if alcohol no longer existed.  I don't need it.  It serves no constructive purpose.

Prohibition was an abject failure.  It's being played out again with the non-sensical war on drugs.

[Kaos]

Prohibition was an abject failure.  It's being played out again with the non-sensical war on drugs.

I know. 

I don't know what the answer is, but it sure as FUCK isn't bigger motherfucking bottles. 

[wesfau2]

I know. 

I don't know what the answer is, but it sure as FUCK isn't bigger motherfucking bottles.

The size of the container is irrelevant.  Buy one 24oz beer or two 12oz.  Either way, people are going to drink it.

[Saniflush]

Radical but needed. 

We've attempted this exercise before and no one has been able to provide an answer that met the standard.

What benefits does alcohol provide (regardless what size container it comes in) that offset its negative effects? 

What legitimate purpose does beer serve? 

Nutrition? No.
Improve health? No.
Improve mental clarity? No.

But we need to make sure we can get it in 40 oz bottles.   

I don't like smoking either, but I can't remember the last time somebody had a few too many cigarettes and smacked his wife and kids around.  Don't recall anybody finishing off a pack of Marlboros and drove his car into somebody else and killed them.  So smoke up, just don't do it around me. 

Alcohol is the refuge of the weak. 

I have an occasional drink because it's almost societally mandated (which I honestly find offensive).  It pisses me off to be in a business situation and have other feeble-minded yahoos deride me because I don't care to have a beer with them.  And there are occasional times I'll have a drink or three at home or with friends. 

For the idiotic and absurd arguments about "somebody had a heart attack from McDonalds" or "movies are just for entertainment" please stop being obtuse.  Those sham arguments are beneath you.

When McDonald's addiction puts 10,000 people in the ground (number killed in drunk driving crashes in 2009 -- three times the number of soldiers killed in the Gulf wars since 2003), when going to a movie kills 1400 children under the age of 12 (the number of kids killed by drunk drivers in 2009) then I'll call for those things to be ended too.   

If you eat too many Big Macs you kill yourself.  You don't take others out with you.  So I don't give a shit.  I do give a shit about 10,000 people and 1500 kids killed.  I give a shit about the lives, marriages and careers that are destroyed, stats that don't show up on the sheet. 

My position on government's intrusion is so long as it doesn't hurt me, I don't care.  Alcohol DOES hurt me so I do.  It destroyed my business partner's ability to function to the point that he lost everything, it killed my first wife, it fucked up my own career path early on, it ruined several of my family members and helped squander the legacy my great grandfather left.   

It would be 1000000% fine with me if alcohol no longer existed.  I don't need it.  It serves no constructive purpose.

All I heard is we have a DD the weekend of 8/18.

[JR4AU]

The size of the container is irrelevant.  Buy one 24oz beer or two 12oz.  Either way, people are going to drink it.

A couple of you have K's hook buried deep in the gullet.

[AUChizad]

Radical but needed. 

We've attempted this exercise before and no one has been able to provide an answer that met the standard.

What benefits does alcohol provide (regardless what size container it comes in) that offset its negative effects? 

What legitimate purpose does beer serve? 

Nutrition? No.
Improve health? No.
Improve mental clarity? No.

Not necessarily true.

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/AlcoholAndHealth.html

Personal anecdotes make it difficult to distance yourself. My uncle was shot in the face and killed in a convenience store robbery. I don't blame the guns, though.

I think you're overstating the numerical significance of alcohol related deaths.

According to the latest data, these are the leading causes of death.

http://tlc.howstuffworks.com/family/15-most-common-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states.htm

1. Diseases of the heart
   28.5
2. Malignant tumors   22.8
3. Cerebrovascular diseases   6.7
4. Chronic lower respiratory diseases   5.1
5. Accidents (unintentional injuries)   4.4
6. Diabetes mellitus   3.0
7. Influenza and pneumonia   2.7
8. Alzheimer's disease   2.4
9. Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis    1.7
10. Septicemia (blood poisoning)    1.4
11. Suicide   1.3
12. Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis   1.1
13. Primary hypertension and hypertensive renal disease    0.8
14. Parkinson's disease (tied)   0.7
15. Homicide (tied)    0.7

Heart disease and diabetes can most certainly be attributed to poor diets. Ban all food considered unhealthy? The overwhelming majority of chronic lower respiratory disease is caused by smoking. Also, many forms of cancer (malignant tumors) do as well. So yes, cigarettes kill more people than alcohol.

http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/causes.html


Only 4.4% of all deaths are due to accidents, or unintentional injuries. That includes everything from plane crashes to breaking your neck from falling off a roof trying to unclog the gutters.

I can't find the numbers that point one way or another, but I have to imagine that traffic accidents account for probably less than a third of these. And of traffic accidents, alcohol is involved in less than a third of those. So we're talking relatively small numbers.

[AUChizad]

http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/causes.html

Only 4.4% of all deaths are due to accidents, or unintentional injuries. That includes everything from plane crashes to breaking your neck from falling off a roof trying to unclog the gutters.

I can't find the numbers that point one way or another, but I have to imagine that traffic accidents account for probably less than a third of these. And of traffic accidents, alcohol is involved in less than a third of those. So we're talking relatively small numbers.

Actually, the link I posted lists breaks it down.

TYPES OF ACCIDENTAL DEATHS, USA 2005
(MVA = Motor Vehicle Accident)
ACCIDENT
   
PERCENT
(1) Motor vehicle (MVA)   37.5%
(2) Poisoning    19.5%
(3) Falls    16.3%
(4) Drowning    3.0%
(5) Fires, Burns,Smoke    2.6%
(6) Medical/Surgical Complication    2.2%
(7) Forces of nature    1.8%
(8) Firearms discharge    0.7%
    Other (transport)    2.6%
    Other (nontransport)    13.9%

So slightly more than 1/3 of accidental deaths are vehicular.

And according to this
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s1113.pdf
Only 22.3% of fatal car accidents involved a .08% BAC or higher.

So all in all, even my estimates were higher than the actual numbers.

[Kaos]

According to the latest data, these are the leading causes of death.

http://tlc.howstuffworks.com/family/15-most-common-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states.htm

Heart disease and diabetes can most certainly be attributed to poor diets. Ban all food considered unhealthy? The overwhelming majority of chronic lower respiratory disease is caused by smoking. Also, many forms of cancer (malignant tumors) do as well. So yes, cigarettes kill more people than alcohol.

http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/causes.html


Only 4.4% of all deaths are due to accidents, or unintentional injuries. That includes everything from plane crashes to breaking your neck from falling off a roof trying to unclog the gutters.

I can't find the numbers that point one way or another, but I have to imagine that traffic accidents account for probably less than a third of these. And of traffic accidents, alcohol is involved in less than a third of those. So we're talking relatively small numbers.

1. Diseases of the heart 28.5  Heart attack never killed an innocent bystander.
2. Malignant tumors   22.8 Tumor never crashed and killed an innocent bystander.
3. Cerebrovascular diseases   6.7 Never crashed and killed an innocent bystander.
4. Chronic lower respiratory diseases   5.1 Never crashed and killed an innocent bystander.
5. Accidents (unintentional injuries)   4.4 Studies suggest more than half are caused by alcohol.
6. Diabetes mellitus   3.0 May have crashed and killed an innocent bystander but not because anybody drank a few too many Diabeetus Lights at McSherry's.
7. Influenza and pneumonia   2.7 Never crashed and killed an innocent bystander.
8. Alzheimer's disease   2.4 Never crashed and killed an innocent bystander, wouldn't remember it it did
9. Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis    1.7 Never crashed and killed an innocent bystander.
10. Septicemia (blood poisoning)    1.4 Never crashed and killed an innocent bystander.
11. Suicide   1.3 Never crashed and killed an innocent bystander.
12. Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis   1.1 Usually caused by alcohol abuse
13. Primary hypertension and hypertensive renal disease    0.8 Never crashed and killed an innocent bystander.
14. Parkinson's disease (tied)   0.7 Never crashed and killed an innocent bystander.
15. Homicide (tied)    0.7 Same as alcohol.


You're missing the point.  I don't give a shit if you drink lye or suck down draino.  Don't care if you smoke 40 packs a day (in your own house where it's not on me).  Doesn't bother me if you eat Big Macs for breakfast, lunch, dinner, fourth meal, second supper and third snack. 

To quote Raising Arizona "You're only hurting yourself with that rambunctious behavior." 

Alcohol?  You hurt others. 

How many families are bankrupted by Whopper addiction?
How many wives have left husbands (or vice versa) because the spouse just couldn't handle his McNuggets and beat the kids when he had too many?

When's the last time you saw a horrific accident because the driver had downed too many Wendy's fries? 

None of that is remotely the same. 

Hurt yourself?  Don't care.  Hurt others?  Something needs to change.

[GH2001]

A couple of you have K's hook buried deep in the gullet.

No, he really thinks that. We've had this round and round before.

[Kaos]

No, he really thinks that. We've had this round and round before.

Yep. 

If it were up to me alcohol wouldn't exist in any form other than the rubbing kind.

[GH2001]

1. Diseases of the heart 28.5  Heart attack never killed an innocent bystander.
2. Malignant tumors   22.8 Tumor never crashed and killed an innocent bystander.
3. Cerebrovascular diseases   6.7 Never crashed and killed an innocent bystander.
4. Chronic lower respiratory diseases   5.1 Never crashed and killed an innocent bystander.
5. Accidents (unintentional injuries)   4.4 Studies suggest more than half are caused by alcohol.
6. Diabetes mellitus   3.0 May have crashed and killed an innocent bystander but not because anybody drank a few too many Diabeetus Lights at McSherry's.
7. Influenza and pneumonia   2.7 Never crashed and killed an innocent bystander.
8. Alzheimer's disease   2.4 Never crashed and killed an innocent bystander, wouldn't remember it it did
9. Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis    1.7 Never crashed and killed an innocent bystander.
10. Septicemia (blood poisoning)    1.4 Never crashed and killed an innocent bystander.
11. Suicide   1.3 Never crashed and killed an innocent bystander.
12. Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis   1.1 Usually caused by alcohol abuse
13. Primary hypertension and hypertensive renal disease    0.8 Never crashed and killed an innocent bystander.
14. Parkinson's disease (tied)   0.7 Never crashed and killed an innocent bystander.
15. Homicide (tied)    0.7 Same as alcohol.


You're missing the point.  I don't give a shit if you drink lye or suck down draino.  Don't care if you smoke 40 packs a day (in your own house where it's not on me).  Doesn't bother me if you eat Big Macs for breakfast, lunch, dinner, fourth meal, second supper and third snack. 

To quote Raising Arizona "You're only hurting yourself with that rambunctious behavior." 

Alcohol?  You hurt others. 

How many families are bankrupted by Whopper addiction?
How many wives have left husbands (or vice versa) because the spouse just couldn't handle his McNuggets and beat the kids when he had too many?

When's the last time you saw a horrific accident because the driver had downed too many Wendy's fries? 

None of that is remotely the same. 

Hurt yourself?  Don't care.  Hurt others?  Something needs to change.

All of those other methods of death DO affect other people. Fast Food places and processed foods have created a nationwide epidemic of heart disease. So should we ban them? I would say that affects innocent bystanders as you put it. I mean, it puts a huge burden on the medical system.

So should we ban guns since it is possible that an innocent bystander COULD be hurt ? You are putting the blame on the alcohol itself and not the people. People make choices. Cigarettes and the western diet have affected far more people adversely and indirectly "ruined families" than beer. You could also say the same about a lot of prescriptions - look at how many people have went apeshit on strong meds and pulled a murder/suicide or drove over the center line of the highway. Ban them right? You can't ban something that most of the population uses responsibly with no harm, to spite the few idiots who had issues before they even touched the stuff.

[Kaos]

All of those other methods of death DO affect other people. Fast Food places and processed foods have created a nationwide epidemic of heart disease. So should we ban them? I would say that affects innocent bystanders as you put it. I mean, it puts a huge burden on the medical system.

So should we ban guns since it is possible that an innocent bystander COULD be hurt ? You are putting the blame on the alcohol itself and not the people. People make choices. Cigarettes and the western diet have affected far more people adversely and indirectly "ruined families" than beer. You could also say the same about a lot of prescriptions - look at how many people have went apeshit on strong meds and pulled a murder/suicide or drove over the center line of the highway. Ban them right? You can't ban something that most of the population uses responsibly with no harm, to spite the few idiots who had issues before they even touched the stuff.

Fuck a MONKEY are you being purposely obtuse?

There is evidence that shit in Big Macs causes heart disease.  If I choose to eat one I do so with that knowledge.  Eating that Big Mac isn't going to impair my senses to the point that I run my car into a wall, though.  It's not going to make me spend all my money and abandon my family. 

Lots of stuff is bad for us. We know it.  If we choose to partake, we're hurting ourselves.  We're not hurting other people, people we don't know, people who did nothing to deserve the carnage we rack up. 

But even a Big Mac serves some moderate function.  If you're starving and eat one it will delay your death. 

Booze gonna do that for you? 

It serves no purpose whatsoever other than evil.  Period. 

[Saniflush]

Fuck a MONKEY are you being purposely obtuse?

[AUChizad]

Fuck a MONKEY are you being purposely obtuse?

There is evidence that shit in Big Macs causes heart disease.  If I choose to eat one I do so with that knowledge.  Eating that Big Mac isn't going to impair my senses to the point that I run my car into a wall, though.  It's not going to make me spend all my money and abandon my family. 

Lots of stuff is bad for us. We know it.  If we choose to partake, we're hurting ourselves.  We're not hurting other people, people we don't know, people who did nothing to deserve the carnage we rack up. 

But even a Big Mac serves some moderate function.  If you're starving and eat one it will delay your death. 

Booze gonna do that for you? 

It serves no purpose whatsoever other than evil.  Period.

Guns. You are opposed to gun control, no?

Innocent bystanders NEVER die from bullets? My dead uncle begs to differ.

[JR4AU]

Yep. 

If it were up to me alcohol wouldn't exist in any form other than the rubbing kind.

Ok, carry on.   

[AUChizad]

Not to mention what is blindingly obvious to anyone with any cognitive sense of logic whatsoever.

Banning larger containers does fuck all to limit or prevent any alcohol related deaths, addictions, etc., so all of this conversation is completely pointless. All it does is limit the free market for what the types of beers that are available for adult consumption.

I would bet my last nickel that of all alcohol related deaths, abusive alcoholics, etc., that a vast, vast majority of them are getting boozed on Heaven Hill, or Aristocrat, or some other dirt cheap liquor. Or at least Mad Dog 20/20 or Nattie Light. The college kids are not funnelling Dogfish Head Craft Brewery AprilHop IPAs. I guarantee you they're involved in less than 0.01% of accidents as well.