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[JR4AU]

They are a burden on the system because we allow them to be a burden on the system.  I've been saying it for however long it's been debated on this site.  Deportation is not the answer.  I don't know how much money is spent on illegals in this country, but I know how much is spent deporting less than 1% every year.  It's ridiculous. 

Instead of spending billions a year deporting less than 1% of the population of illegals, how about we reform the system so they aren't a burden on tax payers?  And while we are at it, let's also use the same "reform" bill and apply it to the millions of lazy ass Americans who are also a major tax burden on the system.

Fucking this!  ^^^^^

I hear about all the "children of illegals" getting free lunches.  Welfare?  Fucking government feeding and clothing people who won't feed and clothe themselves.  Make welfare a short term fix for people really down on their luck, not a lifestyle choice.  People that breed while on the gov't tit?  The aid ends immediately!   All the government aid the "illegals" get is gotten 10 fold by American Citizens.  Do away with the give-aways, and the only brown people here will be those that want to work.  And I've got no problem with the ones that want to work, so long as they pay their fair share.    Instead of deportation, when you ID them, give them a "welcome to the land of opportunity VISA" and as long as you work and pay taxes, you're here for life, ask for a gov't tit to suck on, and back you go south of the border.  Commit a felony, back you go, after you serve your time.   The system has been fucked up for a lot longer than the "illegal" problem, and they're not the main drain on the system by a long shot. 

[GarMan]

Fucking this!  ^^^^^

I hear about all the "children of illegals" getting free lunches.  Welfare?  Fucking government feeding and clothing people who won't feed and clothe themselves.  Make welfare a short term fix for people really down on their luck, not a lifestyle choice.  People that breed while on the gov't tit?  The aid ends immediately!   All the government aid the "illegals" get is gotten 10 fold by American Citizens.  Do away with the give-aways, and the only brown people here will be those that want to work.  And I've got no problem with the ones that want to work, so long as they pay their fair share.    Instead of deportation, when you ID them, give them a "welcome to the land of opportunity VISA" and as long as you work and pay taxes, you're here for life, ask for a gov't tit to suck on, and back you go south of the border.  Commit a felony, back you go, after you serve your time.   The system has been fucked up for a lot longer than the "illegal" problem, and they're not the main drain on the system by a long shot.

I can't disagree wiff any o' dat...

[JR4AU]

Also, and I don't know if this is completely feasible, but we seem so close to it now, be a cashless society, so money can't be paid "under the table".  This, like the other issues isn't just an "illegal" problem.  The people that pay this way will do it no matter what, as long as they can get away with it.

Would love to hear someone more knowledgeable in such matters discuss this.    Tell me why it can or can't be done, or what would work.

Fact is, anybody I've ever known that had a business that had a large true "cash" business were hiding some of it some way.

[Kaos]

I don't disagree with the concept of reforming the entire system as it pertains to handouts, bailouts and giveaways. 

There was a time I owned a business that catered to a lower income clientele. I saw first-hand as people spent money on stereos and VCRs rather than on medicine for their children who were clearly ill.  I heard a mother tell her teenage high school dropout daughter that in order to remain in her house she had to crank out another baby (her third before she turned 18) because "they needed the extra check."  I heard parents laughing and plotting on how to instruct their children to misbehave in school so they'd make sure they got "the crazy check."   I saw women in a stable relationship with a man for years but who refused to get married because doing so would "cost them their pennies." I saw men and women purposely gain weight to be considered disabled. I saw able men and women turn down jobs and/or refuse to look for work because the only jobs they qualified for would pay less than they were getting from the government and would in turn cost them their eligibility for free insurance/medical care.   I saw people who earned little money get massive refunds from the IRS by claiming earned income credit.  I saw them get more in a refund than they made in the entire year.  Some of them worked for me.

I saw a lot.  I saw an entire generation that knew nothing but government assistance.  No incentive to work, no desire to rise above waiting for the mailman to arrive on the third.  A life of nothing but leisure.  Sleep all day, watch some TV, fuck.  Get paid. 

There's something very wrong with that, but it's not going to change.  Want to know why? 

Because of people like Obama and the entire socialist movement that grew out of Rosa Park's ass in the 60s.  The more people who depend on government to survive, the more people government controls.  They don't want a middle class, they want a ruling elite and a nation of slaves.  We're almost there.  When more than half the country pays no tax?  Almost there. It's all going to collapse. 

[Townhallsavoy]

My uncle is a contractor in New Orleans. He thought he was going to make some good money after Katrina.  He decided he couldn't do it.  Every time he went to the lower 9th ward, he saw families spending their FEMA money on Escalades, FUBU, and shoes.  Houses?  Soggy, moldy, and dilapidated. 

I had a student last year who was "homeless."  Stunk to high heavens.  Holey clothes.  Dirty.  Never had any supplies.  We had a parent conference because his parents wanted him to have a one-on-one tutor.  He deserved it.  We had no idea what they were going through.  At the meeting, Mom, Dad, and older sister showed up.  All three had I-phones.  Mom had a Coach purse.  They complained about their check not being enough to cover his school supplies.  Of course, we (you) paid for the tutor. 

A relative of mine could be the main character from Into the Wild.  Loves Tolstoy and Emerson.  Extreme reverence for the 60s.  Travels from commune to commune always denying a paycheck for the work he does.  Gladly accepts his $1200/month from the government (you and me).  He's been doing this for four years and has never once been denied a check. 

[GarMan]

There's something very wrong with that, but it's not going to change.  Want to know why? 

Because of people like Obama and the entire socialist movement that grew out of Rosa Park's ass in the 60s.  The more people who depend on government to survive, the more people government controls.  They don't want a middle class, they want a ruling elite and a nation of slaves.  We're almost there.  When more than half the country pays no tax?  Almost there. It's all going to collapse.

^^^EXACTLY^^^

Now that the baby boomers are retiring, we're much closer to this entire charade toppling over.  Social Security, Medicare, Welfare, Food Stamps, Gub'mit Housing...  And then, when you collect 40% of all federal income tax from the top 1% of wage earners, it's only a matter of time.  Rewarding the shameful while penalizing the successful isn't going to build or support a strong society.