Pat Robertson and Mary G. Juana

[JR4AU]

.  Pot makes you stupid.   

I don't know if it's that, or that stupid people like to smoke pot.  I do think it kills all drive to to anything productive. 

[AUTiger1]

We're goin' dooowwwn, man.  I mean, it's like....what I'm sayin' is if people don't stop smokin' weed, you know you could like....cizivilation is gonna' cnease to exnist....I'm hungry.

Hey man!  Hey man!  Hey man!  What if like, I mean, what if like the world really existed in like a drop of dew man on like a single blade of grass?  Wouldn't that be like, I mean, man.....totally blows my mind man! Let's go get some Taco Bell bro!

[Snaggletiger]

Hey man!  Hey man!  Hey man!  What if like, I mean, what if like the world really existed in like a drop of dew man on like a single blade of grass?  Wouldn't that be like, I mean, man.....totally blows my mind man! Let's go get some Taco Bell bro!

Could I buy some pot from you?

[GarMan]

Not sure where you got Vit C from but I think pot is no more inherently evil than cigarettes or narcotics. Between cigars, cigarettes, pipes, joints - we're really just talking about different types of leaves that grow from the ground in the end. Maybe you should do some research on the chemical makeup of the narcotics I speak of. Also look up deaths related to them and also deaths related to alcohol abuse. Then tell me pot is THE dangerous taboo one.

Oh - don't leave out Cancer deaths as related to tobacco. 

I've been through it all before.  The research...  The debates...  The arguments...  The comparisons...  It bores me...

I don't get stoned, buzzed or high from cigars.  That's not why we smoke them.  Knowledgeable people don't compare tobacco from cigarettes with that of cigars.  The tobacco in cigarettes is processed differently and treated with chemicals that make the tobacco addictive, more harmful and carcinogenic.  Cigar smokers don't inhale or expose themselves to the same chemicals or levels of harmful substances as cigarette smokers, and you're just not going to find very many cigar-only smokers dying from advanced stages of cancer introduced solely by their tobacco use.  Moving on...  Perhaps, there is a chemical dependency with nicotine in cigarettes.  Technically, nicotine itself is relatively harmless aside from a few moonbat propaganda studies.  The addictive affect only becomes an issue when the nicotine is consumed with other harmful substances.  But, let's stop this right there...

The problem with pot and alcohol is the desire by some for the chemical impairment...  The buzz...  That stoned or drunk feeling...  Neither substance is really addictive, but both can lead to substance abuse problems.  Big deal...  Of all the things that we need to worry about as a nation, do we really need to waste the time and money building a regulatory infrastructure for the legalization of pot?  Do we really believe that the War on Drugs will end with the decriminalization of marijuana?  With all of the issues and problems caused by tobacco and alcohol, do we really need something else to worry about???  I mean, gay marriage is so much more important than this... 

[AUTiger1]

Could I buy some pot from you?

Seriously had that conversation in the back yard one night a long time ago.   If I had some I wouldn't sell it to you............................., but you would more than welcome to help me smoke it all up.

[Snaggletiger]

Seriously had that conversation in the back yard one night a long time ago.   If I had some I wouldn't sell it to you............................., but you would more than welcome to help me smoke it all up.

Don't bogart the doobage, dude.  I'll be right over. 

[JR4AU]

The problem with pot and alcohol is the desire by some for the chemical impairment...  The buzz...  That stoned or drunk feeling... Neither substance is really addictive, but both can lead to substance abuse problems.  Big deal...  Of all the things that we need to worry about as a nation, do we really need to waste the time and money building a regulatory infrastructure for the legalization of pot?  Do we really believe that the War on Drugs will end with the decriminalization of marijuana?  With all of the issues and problems caused by tobacco and alcohol, do we really need something else to worry about???  I mean, gay marriage is so much more important than this...

Alcohol most certainly is addictive.   There's no evidence marijuana is. 

[AUChizad]

Technically, nicotine itself is relatively harmless aside from a few moonbat propaganda studies.  The addictive affect only becomes an issue when the nicotine is consumed with other harmful substances.  But, let's stop this right there...

Wait, what? Are you saying that cigarettes aren't harmful? Are you seriously saying there's no link between cigarette smoking and lung cancer?

With all of the issues and problems caused by tobacco and alcohol, do we really need something else to worry about???  I mean, gay marriage is so much more important than this...

Love this catch-all argument from you. "With all the problems we've got do we really need to worry about this one?" Like it's mutually exclusive. Like the absence of a senseless law is going to bog down the legal system more than the presence of one. You're right, we've got other more important shit going on. Which is exactly why we should stop sending people to jail over a virtually harmless substance.

[GarMan]

Wait, what? Are you saying that cigarettes aren't harmful? Are you seriously saying there's no link between cigarette smoking and lung cancer?

Nope...  Didn't say that.  Stop jumping to half-whited conclusions or listening to the bullshit propaganda and learn for yourself...  Here's a brief article that addresses it... http://www.articlesbase.com/cancer-articles/does-nicotine-cause-lung-cancer-1398708.html

Love this catch-all argument from you. "With all the problems we've got do we really need to worry about this one?" Like it's mutually exclusive. Like the absence of a senseless law is going to bog down the legal system more than the presence of one. You're right, we've got other more important shit going on. Which is exactly why we should stop sending people to jail over a virtually harmless substance.

You likely call it senseless because you either are a user or know someone who is.  Do you really think it would be beneficial to society to make another impairing substance available?  We already have 50% of our society sucking off the government teat paying virtually no federal income tax.  Nervermind that...  Yeah sure, nearly 50% of all drug arrests are associated with Marijuana.  The fact is the vast majority of those who are actually convicted or incarcerated are not people who were caught with a single joint in their pocket.  They were also involved in other criminal activities at the time of the arrest.  Making pot legal won't change that. 

[GarMan]

Alcohol most certainly is addictive.   There's no evidence marijuana is.   

I don't completely buy into that.  You could argue that anything in large enough doses is addictive to some extent, even pot.  It becomes more of a psychological addiction rather than a legitimate chemical addiction. 

[JR4AU]

I don't completely buy into that.  You could argue that anything in large enough doses is addictive to some extent, even pot.  It becomes more of a psychological addiction rather than a legitimate chemical addiction.

Plenty of scientific data out there to dispute what you choose to believe.

[GarMan]

Plenty of scientific data out there to dispute what you choose to believe.

I'm not disagreeing with that.  They also used scientific data to claim that the earth was flat at one time...  It didn't mean that the world was flat back then. 

Oh, and if you research a little bit more into the concepts of alcohol addiction and alcoholism, you'll find pretty substantial support that it tends to be more psychological than anything else.  I really didn't make that up... 

[GH2001]

I've been through it all before.  The research...  The debates...  The arguments...  The comparisons...  It bores me...

I don't get stoned, buzzed or high from cigars.  That's not why we smoke them.  Knowledgeable people don't compare tobacco from cigarettes with that of cigars.  The tobacco in cigarettes is processed differently and treated with chemicals that make the tobacco addictive, more harmful and carcinogenic.  Cigar smokers don't inhale or expose themselves to the same chemicals or levels of harmful substances as cigarette smokers, and you're just not going to find very many cigar-only smokers dying from advanced stages of cancer introduced solely by their tobacco use.  Moving on...  Perhaps, there is a chemical dependency with nicotine in cigarettes.  Technically, nicotine itself is relatively harmless aside from a few moonbat propaganda studies.  The addictive affect only becomes an issue when the nicotine is consumed with other harmful substances.  But, let's stop this right there...

The problem with pot and alcohol is the desire by some for the chemical impairment...  The buzz...  That stoned or drunk feeling...  Neither substance is really addictive, but both can lead to substance abuse problems.  Big deal...  Of all the things that we need to worry about as a nation, do we really need to waste the time and money building a regulatory infrastructure for the legalization of pot?  Do we really believe that the War on Drugs will end with the decriminalization of marijuana?  With all of the issues and problems caused by tobacco and alcohol, do we really need something else to worry about???  I mean, gay marriage is so much more important than this...

No sir. Nicotine is 2nd only to heroin in addictiveness. Alcohol is right behind them.

And yes, you get a buzz off cigarettes and alcohol, even narcotics. Ive been in a much worse state to the general public being drunk as a skunk in Auburn than some pothead who smoked a joint.

And I have never been the person arguing with you that it would end the War on Drugs. It won't. But it would damn sure let the cops worry about bigger fish to fry to a degree. JR was a cop, he knows this. Resources are tight in Public Safety depts right now in most cities, and if given the choice I would much rather my local police be tracking down meth labs, armed robbers and child predators than some 19 year old dumbass kid who wants a buzz.

BTW - if regulated, it would just fall in line under the ATF. Just one more Line of Business. And when taxed, would bring in BILLIONS.

[Tarheel]

I don't completely buy into that.  You could argue that anything in large enough doses is addictive to some extent, even pot.  It becomes more of a psychological addiction rather than a legitimate chemical addiction.

GarMan, pot legalization is a Sacrament to libertarians.  You would make more headway arguing with Pope Benedict XVI that transubstantiation in the Eucharist is not real.

Everything written about this issue has been written over and over and over again on this board it seems.

[GH2001]

 you'll find pretty substantial support that it tends to be more psychological than anything else.  I really didn't make that up...

Is that why alcoholics that try to quit have withdrawal symptoms from the "physical dependency"?

[GarMan]

No sir. Nicotine is 2nd only to heroin in addictiveness. Alcohol is right behind them.

Is this a response to my post?  I'm definitely not following you on that one. 

And yes, you get a buzz off cigarettes and alcohol, even narcotics. Ive been in a much worse state to the general public being drunk as a skunk in Auburn than some pothead who smoked a joint.

I suppose it's all about quantity, tolerance and the color of panties you wore that day... 

And I have never been the person arguing with you that it would end the War on Drugs. It won't. But it would damn sure let the cops worry about bigger fish to fry to a degree. JR was a cop, he knows this. Resources are tight in Public Safety depts right now in most cities, and if given the choice I would much rather my local police be tracking down meth labs, armed robbers and child predators than some 19 year old dumbass kid who wants a buzz.

It's a bit of a stretch to believe that we have police squads overburdened because they're busy tracking down 19 year old dumbasses who smoke dope.  Oh, and if we did legalize it, chances are the legal consumption age would be 21.  The 19 year old dumbasses would still be criminals. 

BTW - if regulated, it would just fall in line under the ATF. Just one more Line of Business. And when taxed, would bring in BILLIONS. 

Would you rather the drug traffickers smuggle 500 kilos of dope into the United States or 500,000 doses of meth?  Would you rather the schoolyard drug pusher introduce joints to kids, or would you prefer cocaine or crack?  Just asking...

[AUChizad]

Would you rather the drug traffickers smuggle 500 kilos of dope into the United States or 500,000 doses of meth?  Would you rather the schoolyard drug pusher introduce joints to kids, or would you prefer cocaine or crack?  Just asking...

Looks like you've solved the problem.

Let's outlaw cookies, so the drug dealers will be selling those to our children instead.

[GH2001]

Is this a response to my post?  I'm definitely not following you on that one. 
I suppose it's all about quantity, tolerance and the color of panties you wore that day... 
It's a bit of a stretch to believe that we have police squads overburdened because they're busy tracking down 19 year old dumbasses who smoke dope.  Oh, and if we did legalize it, chances are the legal consumption age would be 21.  The 19 year old dumbasses would still be criminals. 
Would you rather the drug traffickers smuggle 500 kilos of dope into the United States or 500,000 doses of meth?  Would you rather the schoolyard drug pusher introduce joints to kids, or would you prefer cocaine or crack?  Just asking...

People that drink huge amounts of hard liquor now wear panties? Says the guy that brags about smoking but doesn't inhale. Seriously though, I was a MUCH bigger danger to society in that state than Chad would be if he took a couple of tokes. It is what it is. Again, I personally don't like Pot. I think it fucking reeks and people who smoke it are typically morons. But who the hell am I to tell someone else they can't have something that is generally the same level of danger if not less, than things that are already legal? You are using Prohibition level logic here. All of yours and Tarheel's arguments against have been debunked by others on here - addictive? Of narcotics, cigs and alcohol, its the lesser of the 4. danger? again, no more than those 3. What exactly IS your issue with it?

Don't mistake my cop resource argument with why I think it should be legal in some form. That is more of a side effect, not the reason. Ask any cop on the resource issues in most towns. One less thing to worry about is always a good thing. Any kind of bust no matter how minor will take up resources. The prison thing is more the good side effect to me than the patrol stops. Again, this is a possible good side effect, not the reason I am advocating it happen.

[Snaggletiger]

Question.  How is someone tested on a traffic stop for grass?  I'm talking about someone who blazes up at home and then gets in the car.  Let's say the cop just looks at someone, eyes red, acting impaired, decides to test.  Can you test at the scene for marijuana?  Asking because I don't know.  If someone is tested through blood or urine samples, doesn't THC stay in the system for quite a long time? Like weeks? 

[GarMan]

Is that why alcoholics that try to quit have withdrawal symptoms from the "physical dependency"?

Umm...  Withdrawal symptoms are not necessarily an indication of addiction, and addiction does not always mean chemical dependency.  You might want to look into that.  Oh BTW, you can also suffer from withdrawal symptoms after long term persistent marijuana use, and that doesn't necessarily mean that there was any sort of addiction to marijuana.