Every Game Counts

djsimp · « **Reply #21 on:** December 07, 2011, 08:30:21 AM »

There is some mad quoting skillz going on in this thread.

Ranger12 · « **Reply #22 on:** December 07, 2011, 08:32:16 AM »

I think UAT and OK State both have legitimate arguments. If AU was in either school's situation, I could see myself holding fast to the argument that puts me in that game over the other team. I forget what radio show I was listening to (might have been Tim Brando), but some guy from Wyoming actually made a good point. If college football still had the rule in which there was no overtime in football, you would have a straight up three way tie between UAT, LSU, and OK State because all would be undefeated with a tie. The tiebreaker would probably be who tied the better team and that nod would go to LSU and UAT. Made sense to me and kind of goes along with the "better loss" argument that UAT is using. Then again, the "regular season is a playoff" argument is very strong for Oklahoma St. because LSU basically eliminated UAT.

I think of all the arguments, Oklahoma State has the best with the fact that they played for their conference championship and blasted a #10 Oklahoma team while UAT sit at home because they did not even win their division. Sorry UAT fans, but I think that fact trumps the "better loss" argument. Also, count me as one of those that thinks if OK State does not have the tragedy just a couple of days before the Iowa State game, I think we would not even be having this debate. When something that real hits that close to home and is still very raw and fresh, it is hard to get motivated for something that seems so inconsequential as a game. You try to get motivated and win, but the mental toll along with the adrenaline dump from trying to get yourself psyched up can be too much to overcome.

JR4AU · « **Reply #23 on:** December 07, 2011, 08:41:32 AM »

Quote from: Token on December 06, 2011, 08:59:28 PM

What am I missing? Does Iowa State not play football? Is that why no one seems to mention that loss?

Do you think that loss is indicative of how bad/good Ok. State is, or an anomaly?

AUJarhead · « **Reply #24 on:** December 07, 2011, 08:56:40 AM »

Quote from: JR4AU on December 07, 2011, 08:41:32 AM

Do you think that loss is indicative of how bad/good Ok. State is, or an anomaly?

Exactly.

Do you want to reward the better wins, or punish for the worse loss.

AUChizad · « **Reply #25 on:** December 07, 2011, 09:42:12 AM »

Quote from: Ranger12 on December 07, 2011, 08:32:16 AM

I think of all the arguments, Oklahoma State has the best with the fact that they played for their conference championship and blasted a #10 Oklahoma team while UAT sit at home because they did not even win their division. Sorry UAT fans, but I think that fact trumps the "better loss" argument. Also, count me as one of those that thinks if OK State does not have the tragedy just a couple of days before the Iowa State game, I think we would not even be having this debate. When something that real hits that close to home and is still very raw and fresh, it is hard to get motivated for something that seems so inconsequential as a game. You try to get motivated and win, but the mental toll along with the adrenaline dump from trying to get yourself psyched up can be too much to overcome.

That...and WE'VE ALREADY SEEN BAMA-LSU THIS YEAR AND KNOW HOW THAT MOVIE ENDS. Bama lost at home. They won't win in New Orleans.

noxin · « **Reply #26 on:** December 07, 2011, 09:51:54 AM »

#1 team from 2nd best conference vs. #2 team from 2nd best conference

OR

#1 team from 2nd best conference vs. #1 team from best conference

Kaos · « **Reply #27 on:** December 07, 2011, 11:37:51 AM »

Quote from: AUChizad on December 07, 2011, 09:42:12 AM

That...and WE'VE ALREADY SEEN BAMA-LSU THIS YEAR AND KNOW HOW THAT MOVIE ENDS. Bama lost at home. They won't win in New Orleans.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #28 on:** December 07, 2011, 11:43:49 AM »

Quote from: noxin on December 07, 2011, 09:51:54 AM

#1 team from 2nd best conference vs. #3 team from 2nd best conference

OR

#1 team from 2nd best conference vs. #1 team from best conference

FTFY

Kaos · « **Reply #29 on:** December 07, 2011, 12:09:06 PM »

Here's something nobody's really mentioned.

All the fuckstick Bama fans and media want to talk about is "worse loss."

What was the rationale in 2004, though? Worse win. Worse OOC win, specifically. AU beat The Citadel. Oklahoma beat Bowling Green. Well, damn. Bowling Green was considered the "better" team. End of story.

Alabama beat Georga Southern and Kent State as part of their resume. Pee-fucking-ewww. Kent was a stellar 5-7 with a huge eight point win over South Alabama. Georgia Southern is DII and hung on for a huge win over Citadel 14-12.

Oklahoma State's worst win was either Louisiana La. (8-4) or Tulsa (8-4). Both will go bowling.

Fuck the BCS.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #30 on:** December 07, 2011, 01:09:40 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on December 07, 2011, 12:09:06 PM

Here's something nobody's really mentioned.

All the fuckstick Bama fans and media want to talk about is "worse loss."

What was the rationale in 2004, though? Worse win. Worse OOC win, specifically. AU beat The Citadel. Oklahoma beat Bowling Green. Well, damn. Bowling Green was considered the "better" team. End of story.

Alabama beat Georga Southern and Kent State as part of their resume. Pee-fucking-ewww. Kent was a stellar 5-7 with a huge eight point win over South Alabama. Georgia Southern is DII and hung on for a huge win over Citadel 14-12.

Oklahoma State's worst win was either Louisiana La. (8-4) or Tulsa (8-4). Both will go bowling.

Fuck the BCS.

It really is a total sham.

I wish I could bring myself to ignore bowl season. Just watch football for rivalries and the SEC championship race and then call it a season.

AUTailgatingRules · « **Reply #31 on:** December 07, 2011, 01:14:30 PM »

Quote from: Townhallsavoy on December 07, 2011, 01:09:40 PM

It really is a total sham.

I wish I could bring myself to ignore bowl season. Just watch football for rivalries and the SEC championship race and then call it a season.

But then you would not be able to enjoy the legendary Battle for the Crown bowl competition

JR4AU · « **Reply #32 on:** December 07, 2011, 01:36:16 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on December 07, 2011, 12:09:06 PM

Here's something nobody's really mentioned.

All the fuckstick Bama fans and media want to talk about is "worse loss."

What was the rationale in 2004, though? Worse win. Worse OOC win, specifically. AU beat The Citadel. Oklahoma beat Bowling Green. Well, damn. Bowling Green was considered the "better" team. End of story.

Alabama beat Georga Southern and Kent State as part of their resume. Pee-fucking-ewww. Kent was a stellar 5-7 with a huge eight point win over South Alabama. Georgia Southern is DII and hung on for a huge win over Citadel 14-12.

Oklahoma State's worst win was either Louisiana La. (8-4) or Tulsa (8-4). Both will go bowling.

Fuck the BCS.

Ok. State and the turds each played twelve games, but the only one that counts is the one they lost. Brilliant!

RWS · « **Reply #33 on:** December 07, 2011, 01:36:45 PM »

Quote from: JR4AU on December 07, 2011, 08:41:32 AM

Do you think that loss is indicative of how bad/good Ok. State is, or an anomaly?

So, why can't we just say that Alabama losing to LSU was just an anomaly? This has been part of the argument all along. Some are picking and choosing what to apply to which teams, what they want to ignore, and what they want to create and apply to certain teams.

OSU was the #2 team in the country, and they shit the bed against ISU. They were being rewarded for having the SOS and winning, but then they lost to a shitty team late in the season. I don't want to hear that "well, plane crash, etc" bullshit. They were up on ISU 24-7 in the 3rd quarter. Don't tell me they suddenly became grief stricken in the middle of the 3rd quarter, and lost all sense of direction. To add to that, the rank and file of half of the top 10 shit the bed that weekend also. OSU only ended up dropping 2 spots in the BCS rankings for losing to ISU. Alabama dropped one spot for losing to the unanimous #1 team in the nation, so I think dropping only two for losing to a shitty .500 team is a pretty good deal.

I'm not saying it's Alabama's birthright to play in the game, etc etc. Both teams have merit, and there are arguments to both sides. The only problem is, as Token said, nobody wants to recognize OSU's loss to ISU, but they want to give all the credit in the world for the SOS. And if we're going to give them a mulligan for losing to ISU by saying it's an anomaly, then why can't Alabama have a mulligan and say losing to LSU was an anomaly?

AUChizad · « **Reply #34 on:** December 07, 2011, 01:39:08 PM »

Quote from: RWS on December 07, 2011, 01:36:45 PM

So, why can't we just say that Alabama losing to LSU was just an anomaly? This has been part of the argument all along. Some are picking and choosing what to apply to which teams, what they want to ignore, and what they want to create and apply to certain teams.

Then Alabama still has one quality win, and OK State still has 6.

RWS · « **Reply #35 on:** December 07, 2011, 01:53:04 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on December 07, 2011, 12:09:06 PM

Here's something nobody's really mentioned.

All the fuckstick Bama fans and media want to talk about is "worse loss."

What was the rationale in 2004, though? Worse win. Worse OOC win, specifically. AU beat The Citadel. Oklahoma beat Bowling Green. Well, damn. Bowling Green was considered the "better" team. End of story.

Alabama beat Georga Southern and Kent State as part of their resume. Pee-fucking-ewww. Kent was a stellar 5-7 with a huge eight point win over South Alabama. Georgia Southern is DII and hung on for a huge win over Citadel 14-12.

Oklahoma State's worst win was either Louisiana La. (8-4) or Tulsa (8-4). Both will go bowling.

Fuck the BCS.

Just a little food for thought: Kent St's SOS is stronger than La-Lafayette. Ga Southern is DII, they were 9-1 when Alabama played them, but they also have a shitty SOS. With that said, they did a better job against Alabama than AU did, though. Tulsa is a pretty quality win for OSU, though. No matter how you slice it, Kent St and Ga Southern are automatic wins. I'm not saying they're world beaters by any means. But when you're talking shitty teams, it's just a matter of how shitty.

djsimp · « **Reply #36 on:** December 07, 2011, 01:55:30 PM »

Is there a chance that this conversation will be behind us once LSU takes home the trophy in Jan?

RWS · « **Reply #37 on:** December 07, 2011, 01:58:38 PM »

Quote from: AUChizad on December 07, 2011, 01:39:08 PM

Then Alabama still has one quality win, and OK State still has 6.

No, you don't get it. We're going to say Alabama's loss to LSU was an anomaly. OSU's loss to ISU is real, and we're going to hold it against them. This is the scenario that is allowed when a statement such as JR's is made. Exceptions can be made for whatever team you want to play in the NCG game, while standards are held firm for the team you want to keep out.

JR4AU · « **Reply #38 on:** December 07, 2011, 01:59:36 PM »

Quote from: RWS on December 07, 2011, 01:36:45 PM

So, why can't we just say that Alabama losing to LSU was just an anomaly? This has been part of the argument all along. Some are picking and choosing what to apply to which teams, what they want to ignore, and what they want to create and apply to certain teams.

BAMMER LOST HEAD TO HEAD VS LSU DUMB FUCK!

RWS · « **Reply #39 on:** December 07, 2011, 02:06:53 PM »

Quote from: JR4AU on December 07, 2011, 01:59:36 PM

BAMMER LOST HEAD TO HEAD VS LSU DUMB FUCK!

I know. But it still doesn't mean that Alabama can't be the second best team in the country. And in the system which we have, the #1 and #2 teams play for the NCG. It just so happens that a bunch of teams in the top 10 shit the bed all at the same time and a damn near impossible scenario took place to make this happen.

Your response has nothing to do with what I said. You suggested that OSU get a pass because their loss to ISU is probably an anomaly. You're giving one team a pass for losing to a shitty team, while holding a loss to the #1 team in the country against the other, all the while telling that other team that it is impossible for them to be second best because they couldn't beat the best.