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Re: Cain is driving them nuts!
« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2011, 12:14:40 PM »
Seriously?

Let's break down what we saw there:

Ok, first of all, if you're running for President, you should be more up on foreign policy than I am. We're not talking about some obscure foreign policy question about applying the Mahanian theory to Pyongyang. We're talking about the fucking War with Libya, and whether or not he agreed with the President's stance. Poll 10 random people off the street, and 9 of them will have a more coherent answer than that. And he's stalling like it's a spelling bee and he's asking to use it in a sentence and the etymological origin.

"A different one"?!?!? what the fuck is he talking about? A different "glib, scripted response" as Kaos puts it? "Oh, I thought of an answer, but it was in case you asked me about Italy's economy..."

So in other words "I know that it is my party's stance that I have to be completely contrarian to everything Obama does, so I would have done something different, I assure you. Specifically...well...I agree Qadaffi is bad...and...yeah, I might have done the exact same thing...but I would have assessed it, which I'm sure he did...but I just would have done it differently. We would have ended up at the same place, but he did it wrong, and I would have done it right."

Ok...

Then it's all more fail from there about how he "would have assessed the situation" as if the President just threw a dart at a map and was like "Let's bomb that shit."

What about a President that said we have 57 states?

Or one who aligns with domestic terrorists and racist black liberation/supremecy 'preachers'?

And you think Cain's semantics and opinions on Libya alone make him unqualified?

If the 3rd statement bothers you more and the first 2 don't,  then there isn't much anyone on here can say to help you.
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Re: Cain is driving them nuts!
« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2011, 01:53:01 PM »
Let's break down what we saw there:

Ok, first of all, if you're running for President, you should be more up on foreign policy than I am. We're not talking about some obscure foreign policy question about applying the Mahanian theory to Pyongyang. We're talking about the fucking War with Libya, and whether or not he agreed with the President's stance. Poll 10 random people off the street, and 9 of them will have a more coherent answer than that. And he's stalling like it's a spelling bee and he's asking to use it in a sentence and the etymological origin. 

Hold on...  There are some things that you may not understand.  The first gaffe was the fact that Herman's campaign put him in a room with an editorial board of a Wisconsin newspaper.  Never has that been done before with a candidate running for President.  He was hammered question after question across topics that were all over the place.  Could he have been better prepared for a question like this?  Absolutely...  But, he shouldn't have been there in the first place.  By the way, is this the only gaffe coming out of a 45 minute meeting?  Is this the only thing you can hang your had on???

"A different one"?!?!? what the fuck is he talking about? A different "glib, scripted response" as Kaos puts it? "Oh, I thought of an answer, but it was in case you asked me about Italy's economy..."

Oh come on...  Granted, Obama didn't get us into two wars like that evil Bush did, but he's sent troops troops to several areas of the world and has plans to do so in the near future.  Yay!  He's bringing the troops home from Iraq!!!  But, while he gleefully announced the end of Iraq operations, he forgot to mention that he'll also be increasing troop deployments throughout the Persian Gulf region.  In other words, we'll still be in the same neighborhood with a sizeable military presence.  And, what are we doing in Uganda?  While I appreciate the successes of our operations in Pakistan along with the assassination of an American citizen, shouldn't we at least try to play nice with their government?  By the way, we're still in Kosovo too.  And, why did we team up with the UN in Libya and do nothing in Egypt?  Yeah...  There are different ones, many different ones in fact.  Those are just a handful.

So in other words "I know that it is my party's stance that I have to be completely contrarian to everything Obama does, so I would have done something different, I assure you. Specifically...well...I agree Qadaffi is bad...and...yeah, I might have done the exact same thing...but I would have assessed it, which I'm sure he did...but I just would have done it differently. We would have ended up at the same place, but he did it wrong, and I would have done it right."

Not a perfect response...  I'll give you that, but his answer was essentially correct.  We teamed up with the UN without understanding the opposition or defining a clear purpose for our intervention.  That sets a horrible precedent.  Oh, we were supposed to protect the protesters...  By protecting the protesters from Quaddafi's military, didn't we essentially enable them to kill Quaddafi, his son and many others?  There were a series of events that could have been handled differently, whether you're willing to agree with that or not.  Personally, I don't believe that it was our place to get involved.  If we had maintained a centrist position with the uprisings in Egypt, we should have maintained a centrist position with Libya's uprisings.  The O'bama administration has not provided us with a clear explanation of why we got involved. 

Ok...

Then it's all more fail from there about how he "would have assessed the situation" as if the President just threw a dart at a map and was like "Let's bomb that shit." 

More rambling...  Well like I said before, he shouldn't have been there in the first place.  I believe the goal was an olive branch to the media, but the media will always take advantage of any opportunity.  They cannot and should not be trusted.  His core response was correct, whether you like it or not.  He should have been better prepared to articulate his responses, but when you jump into a room with an editorial board, they're going to get you. 

This is why "regular guys you want to have a beer with" is not criteria for President. 

The criteria being...?

Do you guys really think this guy will out-debate Obama? Until Republicans drop this infatuation with "regular Joe's" (aka dumbasses who are unqualified for the office of President of the United States, aka Sarah Palin, Rick Perry), they will continue to lose popular elections. 

I don't believe your measure of a person's ability to serve as President aligns with most sane and reasonable people.  The President is supposed to be a "regular Joe".  That's why we did away with monarchies. 

Sadly, Jon Huntsman and to a larger degree Gary Johnson, have never once been considered legitimate candidates, while dispshits continue to shuffle in and out of the frontrunner position.

Like I said, your measure of a person's qualifications don't align with many... 

Of those that are even hovering near the top of the polls, Romney is the only candidate with a snowball's chance in hell of winning over the general population.


That's kind of a nonsensical assessment.  I don't think that anyone has a chance of winning over the general population.  Not even the exaulted one was able to accomplish that.

Don't shoot the messenger. 

Well, don't be a dipshit then...  Sharing facts is one thing, but your colored commentary deserves criticism.
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Re: Cain is driving them nuts!
« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2011, 05:38:18 PM »
What about a President that said we have 57 states?

Or one who aligns with domestic terrorists and racist black liberation/supremecy 'preachers'?

And you think Cain's semantics and opinions on Libya alone make him unqualified?

If the 3rd statement bothers you more and the first 2 don't,  then there isn't much anyone on here can say to help you.
Roflcopters.

Anywho, not that it matters, but this thread is full of hilarious hypocrisy.

1.  Kaos saying he wants a business man/average Joe as President.  The majority of you voted for Bush twice and think he was a good President.  Fine, but he ran the Texas Rangers into the ground before he had to sell them...along with other business failures.  You choose to ignore that.

2.  About the sexual assault shit.  I don't care, but I find it funny that you guys are all hurrah about Cain throwing it in their faces and what not... Meanwhile, 14 years ago, you wanted Clinton crucified for getting a blow job from a fat girl while in the White House. 

I'm not saying I agree with any of the arguments and what not posted above...Just wanted to say don't be hypocritical...Makes you look dumb.
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Re: Cain is driving them nuts!
« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2011, 09:39:58 PM »
Roflcopters.

Anywho, not that it matters, but this thread is full of hilarious hypocrisy.

1.  Kaos saying he wants a business man/average Joe as President.  The majority of you voted for Bush twice and think he was a good President.  Fine, but he ran the Texas Rangers into the ground before he had to sell them...along with other business failures.  You choose to ignore that.

2.  About the sexual assault shit.  I don't care, but I find it funny that you guys are all hurrah about Cain throwing it in their faces and what not... Meanwhile, 14 years ago, you wanted Clinton crucified for getting a blow job from a fat girl while in the White House. 

I'm not saying I agree with any of the arguments and what not posted above...Just wanted to say don't be hypocritical...Makes you look dumb.

I don't like Bush and I dont think he was a great president. I've reiterated that several times. Bush had a long record of failing businesses. Cain does not. I think there's a difference.

Also didn't want Clinton crucified for getting a bj. The lying under oath, however did bother me. And I'm really not sure what that has to do with the price of tea in china.

Please show me some hypocrisy instead of just rattling it off as a talking point.
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« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2011, 11:41:58 PM »

1.  Kaos saying he wants a business man/average Joe as President.  The majority of you voted for Bush twice and think he was a good President.  Fine, but he ran the Texas Rangers into the ground before he had to sell them...along with other business failures.  You choose to ignore that.


Business man, yes.  Somebody who has run a business and understands economic realities.  Somebody who has had to rely on his own work to put food on the table.  In Obama's case he's never had to.  Money is made by other people and he just takes it.  Fuck that.  Fuck that ten ways to Sunday. 

As for Bush, he was the lesser of two evils. 

Al Gore?  Are you shitting me?  He's a fucking babbling lunatic.  If my choices were Al Gore or George Bush today I'd vote for Bush again.  Vote twice in Florida. 

John Fucking Kennedy Kerrey?  Are you shitting me?  Silver spoon fuck who threw his medals back? Nah.  No thanks.  Bush beats that, too. 

Didn't like a lot of the things Bush did.  But I never questioned his loyalty to the US or his patriotism.  I can't say that about Clinton, Gore, Kerrey. Nothing but doubt when it comes to Obama. 

IMO he is the absolute worst president of my lifetime. It's not even close.  And I lived through LBJ (don't remember), Nixon, Ford, Carter...  He's the Barrett Trotter of presidents.  He fucking sucks so bad I'm to the point I'd take Carter back before suffering another day of his malfeasance and having to withstand his ugly fat ass wife's sasquatch mug telling me to exercise. 
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Re: Cain is driving them nuts!
« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2011, 01:43:46 PM »
Not to jump on here...

Roflcopters.

Anywho, not that it matters, but this thread is full of hilarious hypocrisy.

1.  Kaos saying he wants a business man/average Joe as President.  The majority of you voted for Bush twice and think he was a good President.  Fine, but he ran the Texas Rangers into the ground before he had to sell them...along with other business failures.  You choose to ignore that.

If that's what you believe, then you haven't been paying attention.  Bush sucked.  I routinely tell everyone that he was our first Socialist President with some of the shit that he supported.  Obama is our first Communist President.  Bush was a horrible business man too.  There's no hypocrisy here. 

2.  About the sexual assault shit.  I don't care, but I find it funny that you guys are all hurrah about Cain throwing it in their faces and what not... Meanwhile, 14 years ago, you wanted Clinton crucified for getting a blow job from a fat girl while in the White House. 

Yeah...  You weren't paying attention then either...  Clinton lied about it.  Cain isn't lying about anything. 

I'm not saying...

You're not saying much of anything.  You simply don't understand what you're talking about. 
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Re: Cain is driving them nuts!
« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2011, 09:42:52 AM »
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/cain-says-we-need-a-leader-not-a-reader/
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Then he added: “Who knows every detail of every country or every situation on the planet? Nobody!”

“We’ve got plenty of experts,” he said. “We need a leader, not a reader.”

The crowd responded with chants of “Amen!” and “Yes, we Cain.”
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Why don't we cut to the chase and just elect Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho.


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« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2011, 09:44:04 AM »
I routinely tell everyone that he was our first Socialist President with some of the shit that he supported.  Obama is our first Communist President.
You say a lot of things. Doesn't make them remotely accurate.
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« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2011, 10:05:37 AM »
You say a lot of things. Doesn't make them remotely accurate.

I see we are back to the old Beta male debate again......
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« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2011, 10:07:56 AM »
I see we are back to the old Beta male debate again......

We are about to be anyway. But in Chizad's defense, this time around he will have Eastwood on his side.
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« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2011, 12:14:52 PM »
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/cain-says-we-need-a-leader-not-a-reader/ :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Why don't we cut to the chase and just elect Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho.



I have to ask, what part are you facepalming.  The fact that he asked who knew every detail?  B/c I can assure you that no one does.  Or the we need a leader, not a reader comment.   Obama is no leader, hell he is doing a lot worse than Bush and this coming from someone that hated him.  Or is it the crowd?

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« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2011, 12:21:21 PM »
Again, I agree with Cain. 

I don't want somebody who has memorized a list of statistics and figures and has no idea how they connect.  I don't want a stuffed shirt who can rattle off nonsense and do absolutely nothing but make things worse. 

I want somebody who can look at the facts presented at the time, review the process that led to that point and then make clear, rational decisions on how to proceed. 

That doesn't require the ability to rattle off anything.  And it's something Cain has. 

He won't get elected because even the conservatives are being driven away by the left-leaning media which will eviscerate him out of fear.  They'll tell you he has no chance.  They'll create their own polls that say he's losing ground.  The sheep will herd as they always do.  And yes, Fox leans left, too.  Just less left than MSNBC. 
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« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2011, 03:21:08 PM »

He won't get elected because even the conservatives are being driven away by the left-leaning media which will eviscerate him out of fear.  They'll tell you he has no chance.  They'll create their own polls that say he's losing ground.  The sheep will herd as they always do.  And yes, Fox leans left, too.  Just less left than MSNBC.

THIS part..All of it.

Fox and Rove are pretty much trying to destroy any conservative candidtate who has a remote chance in favor of the liberal Republicans (Mitt RomneyCare). They want a neocon, another Bush or Ford. Newt and Cain come to mind as those that Rove has railed against. As much as I disagree with his foreign policy, they do it to Ron Paul too. All 3 of those people have a lot of people worried about the establishment crumbling and it scares them. Seriously, think about it - an Obama/Gingrich debate. Blood would be everywhere. And it wouldnt be Newt's. It would be Reagan/Mondale all over again from a debate perspective. And I would love every minute of that asshole getting embarrassed on national tv.

BTW - I just reported myself to attackwatch.com.
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« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2011, 03:50:37 PM »
You say a lot of things. Doesn't make them remotely accurate. 

Well, not in your feable mind and naive perspective of how the world works...  I'll give you that. 
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« Reply #34 on: November 18, 2011, 04:21:13 PM »
I see we are back to the old Beta male debate again......

Nahhh...  I don't think we'll need to go there.  You just have to keep in mind that Chad's political knowledge comes from Jon Stewart, HRC and Joy Behar. 
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Nothing says "Obey Me" like a bloody head on a fence post!  - Stewie Griffin

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« Reply #35 on: November 18, 2011, 04:34:05 PM »
I have to ask, what part are you facepalming.  The fact that he asked who knew every detail?  B/c I can assure you that no one does.  Or the we need a leader, not a reader comment.   Obama is no leader, hell he is doing a lot worse than Bush and this coming from someone that hated him.  Or is it the crowd?
All three of those things are entitled to their very own  :facepalm:

No, no one "knows everything." I happen to know that the answer to the answer to the ultimate question of life the universe and everything is 42, but I digress. What apparently no one sees a problem with is that we're talking about a guy running for President of the United States, that was completely fucking bumfuzzled over a question about a U.S. war that ended less than a month ago. Like he'd never even heard of it. All he knows is he disagrees with Obama on it.

We need leader not a reader? Are you shitting me? "Obama's edumacated! Don't he know readin's for fags? I'm just the dumbass America needs to be its commander in chief! I don't read shit!"

Look, I'm not the leftist strawman many of you have built for me, but I can't get behind this celebration of ignorance. I guess that makes me a readin' fag.



Hey man, what's the capital of Zaire?' 'Shoot, I don't know that shit!' Keepin it real!

And yes, Fox leans left, too.
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Re: Cain is driving them nuts!
« Reply #36 on: November 18, 2011, 04:42:24 PM »
Look, I'm not the leftist strawman many of you have built for me, but I can't get behind this celebration of ignorance. I guess that makes me a readin' fag. 

No...  I just think that you're hopelessly unreasonable and narrow-minded.  I know that you're not a Leftist, but your periodic whining does align fairly well with the latest rants of the Left.  You simply echo the same gripes you hear on those news and media outlets.  Perhaps, you're just more of a sheep than anything else... 
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« Reply #37 on: November 18, 2011, 04:44:30 PM »
Look, I'm not the leftist strawman many of you have built for me

We didn't build it, you did.
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« Reply #38 on: November 18, 2011, 05:10:04 PM »
All three of those things are entitled to their very own  :facepalm:

No, no one "knows everything." I happen to know that the answer to the answer to the ultimate question of life the universe and everything is 42, but I digress. What apparently no one sees a problem with is that we're talking about a guy running for President of the United States, that was completely fucking bumfuzzled over a question about a U.S. war that ended less than a month ago. Like he'd never even heard of it. All he knows is he disagrees with Obama on it.

We need leader not a reader? Are you shitting me? "Obama's edumacated! Don't he know readin's for fags? I'm just the dumbass America needs to be its commander in chief! I don't read shit!"

Look, I'm not the leftist strawman many of you have built for me, but I can't get behind this celebration of ignorance. I guess that makes me a readin' fag.



Hey man, what's the capital of Zaire?' 'Shoot, I don't know that shit!' Keepin it real!


The we need a leader not a reader is a shot at Obama and the teleprompter.  It was, I say it was a joke son. You know, a funny?

I happen to agree with that.  Take it away and we see how he bumbles and stumbles through a speech.  Face it, Obama is horrible.  He hasn't done much leading and has done more campaigning than he has done anything since he has been in office.  He is worse than Bush and that is really saying something.  I have no issues with him calling out Obama for being an empty suit. 

I think he should have been up to speed a little better on Libya, but as someone who is campaigning and worrying about his run for POTUS his staff should have better prepared him.  He is right though, no one know every detail of everything and he isn't privy to the info that Obama is.  That's just a fact and he is right for stating it, but it doesn't take away from the fact that he fucked up in that interview.

The crowd, well, even though I think it is unoriginal (Yes We Can!), it's usually stupid catch phrases that catch on and stick.
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Re: Cain is driving them nuts!
« Reply #39 on: November 28, 2011, 03:04:38 PM »
Not to jump on here...

If that's what you believe, then you haven't been paying attention.  Bush sucked.  I routinely tell everyone that he was our first Socialist President with some of the shit that he supported.  Obama is our first Communist President.  Bush was a horrible business man too.  There's no hypocrisy here. 

Yeah...  You weren't paying attention then either...  Clinton lied about it.  Cain isn't lying about anything. 

You're not saying much of anything.  You simply don't understand what you're talking about.

I <3 selective memory and the ability to completely miss a point. Arrogance and ignorance is a bad combination, sir.
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