Roll Tide/War Eagle

[JR4AU]

I stand by what I said. 

There was so much more they could have covered and so much more detail they could have included. 

Documentaries are supposed to be objective.  They're supposed to uncover truth and expose the world to a reality that may not be known.

Some of the topics they chose to cover should have been more vehemently exposed as The University's bullshit. 

Perhaps it's the fact that I live with it every day. 

The fact that yesterday at work ended with me storming out of an office because a fucking bus driver was going on about how ridiculous Auburn fans are to blame Updyke for anything.  That we're delusional and despicable because we were killing those trees with a pressure washer.  That our way of life pushes people like Updyke to do harmful things because we rub it in their faces when we "catch them when they're down." 

I should have known better before watching.  I was hoping it would be more reflective of my life.  How I try to go about my business as an Auburn fan supporting my team.  How when my team wins, I suddenly get shit slung in my face because a select few of "those people" can't handle it. 

They could show how Alabama dominated and how we played catch up.  They could show how in 1982, the rivalry became pretty much dead even with Auburn with the edge.  They could show how this state forces you to choose a side.  How elementary schools have Alabama/Auburn competitions before the Iron Bowl.  How even people who are die hard fans of other schools choose one side or the other when they move here.

That's all good fun. 

The should have left the lunacy off. 

As a lady that works down the hall from me said to me, an obvious Auburn fan, this morning - "You football fans make me scared to live in this state."

I think Auburn fans who understand the reality of the show's topics concluded that it made Alabama look bad.  I haven't found an unbiased, objective observer yet that doesn't lump Auburn fans in with the Alabama crazies.

The lunacy was a big part of their intended focus.  I heard that come from one of the filmmakers.  He also said there'd be things that would make you cringe a bit by being perceived as associated with it.

IMHO, to get a TRUE feel for the rivalry, they could simply have gone to the 2009, and 2010 IB and gone around campus interviewing ACTUAL FANS...the work a day fans that have lives.  Then again that wasn't their intended focus. 

[Townhallsavoy]

The lunacy was a big part of their intended focus.  I heard that come from one of the filmmakers.  He also said there'd be things that would make you cringe a bit by being perceived as associated with it.

IMHO, to get a TRUE feel for the rivalry, they could simply have gone to the 2009, and 2010 IB and gone around campus interviewing ACTUAL FANS...the work a day fans that have lives.  Then again that wasn't their intended focus.

Well....fuck dey intended focus in da mouf.

[JR4AU]

Right, I just don't agree with the premise they decided on. Especially with Finebaum practically narrating the whole thing.

I completely agree with what they had intended to do...which was focus on two rival programs who were at the highest level of college football the last 2 seasons, with a little history of the rivalry thrown in.  What I disagreed with was SOME of the people they chose to tell the story through, ie Finebaum.

[Tiger Wench]

And what a douche McElmo was. "I thought my legacy was pretty good, already." Basically spent all of his segments with his own balls on his chin.

Forgot about him - it was AWFUL.  It was like he was thnking ahead to some political campaign of the future, when he could use the clip in a campaign ad, where he would be seen as the brashly confident, slightly arrogant young stud QB who matured into a man you would be proud to elect as your next US Senator...  BLECH!!!

The only reason they included Jelks was because he wound up being a "redemption" story - showing back up in Turdville for post tornado cleanup and being "accepted" back into the fold.  He was also at the flag football fundraiser, so that is probably where they got the idea to include him.  Like maybe he said "This is the first time I have been back to turdville in years since I went through my personal struggles... " and they ran with it.  Eric Ramsey is long gone - his sorry ass did not come back - Jelks was a different type of story altogether.  One with a "prodigal son" ending.

[GH2001]

Forgot about him - it was AWFUL.  It was like he was thnking ahead to some political campaign of the future, when he could use the clip in a campaign ad, where he would be seen as the brashly confident, slightly arrogant young stud QB who matured into a man you would be proud to elect as your next US Senator...  BLECH!!!

The only reason they included Jelks was because he wound up being a "redemption" story - showing back up in Turdville for post tornado cleanup and being "accepted" back into the fold.  He was also at the flag football fundraiser, so that is probably where they got the idea to include him.  Like maybe he said "This is the first time I have been back to turdville in years since I went through my personal struggles... " and they ran with it.  Eric Ramsey is long gone - his sorry ass did not come back - Jelks was a different type of story altogether.  One with a "prodigal son" ending.

McDouchebag and Ewok Ingram can go jump in a pit of fire for all I care. Total condescending douchenozzles.

[Kaos]

Brace yourself. It's gonna get long.

Based on pretty much everything I've seen and heard from impartial third party observers, Auburn fans and Alabama fans I think you're wrong on this. 

Nobody liked it.  It made us all look stupid.  It gave people outside the rivalry reason to a) dismiss us all as idiots, b) ridicule us more than they already do. 

It wasn't a positive thing for anybody. 

Dye saying "everybody cheats."
Ingram expressing his ignorance
Barkley calling AU racists
Dareus being interviewed at all
McGinger looking like a turtleneck wearing fag


Fail on all fronts. 

[Tiger Wench]

Based on pretty much everything I've seen and heard from impartial third party observers, Auburn fans and Alabama fans I think you're wrong on this. 

Nobody liked it.  It made us all look stupid.  It gave people outside the rivalry reason to a) dismiss us all as idiots, b) ridicule us more than they already do. 

It could have been the most awesomely written well executed, comprehensive documentary in the history of the world and people outside the rivalry would STILL dismiss us all as idiots and ridicule us even more than they already do.   There is no way some show is going to convince a Michigan fan that (1) we hate bammer more than they hate tOSU and (2) that the state of Alabama is not full of inbred hicks.  There's no way that happens.

If you don't live it, you don't get it.  My husband has been around it with me for eleven years, and HE still doesn't get it.  And he is around almost exclusively well mannered, educated Auburn fans - oh, and you guys - and he still does not understand why I say War Eagle every time I see one of my fellow "cult members" (his words) or why I have taught my children to despise the color red and say "bammer stinks!!" whenever they see or hear anything turd related.  Eleven years and a lifetime in the SEC and even an LSU fan does not get it.

So let it go.  So what?  Go make your own if you think it should have been done differently.  It would be awesome to see a rivalry documentary made by people who actually know and understand the rivalry.

[Kaos]

Don't know who told you what to expect, but from before this started filming that has always been the objective.

http://espn.go.com/espn/espnfilms/story/_/id/6961218/roll-tide-war-eagle

This one-hour film takes you on an unpredictable and unforgettable journey through the history of bad blood that runs between the two programs -- all told through the eyes of the school's Hall of Fame icons, the controversial figures that launched this rivalry into the national spotlight, all the way down to its passionate roots -- the fans.


It didn't do that. 

[Snaggletiger]

A regular Bama caller to our local show this morning made some of the very same points.  Instead of Updyke and Finebaum driving the show, how about a couple more players from Bryant's era like Leroy Jordan talking about the rivalry.  I could live with that as opposed to those two worthless fucks being in every segment.  Doing A...ONE....piece on Updyke and PF would have been fine.  I concede that they're both a part of this rivalry and it's history.  The ugliest part..but a part just the same.

[Kaos]

A regular Bama caller to our local show this morning made some of the very same points.  Instead of Updyke and Finebaum driving the show, how about a couple more players from Bryant's era like Leroy Jordan talking about the rivalry.  I could live with that as opposed to those two worthless fucks being in every segment.  Doing A...ONE....piece on Updyke and PF would have been fine.  I concede that they're both a part of this rivalry and it's history.  The ugliest part..but a part just the same.

It's a divisive issue.  The only people I've heard defend the thing at all are both in this thread.  They're entitled to their opinion.

From every account other than those two it was poorly done, reflected badly on both sides and completely failed to portray anything but the absolute most extreme fringe elements of the rivalry.  It skipped over things that were critical in order to focus on things that were extraneous.

When both Bama and Auburn fans are united in collective scorn?  That says a lot.

It did nobody but Finebaum any favors.  Fuck it.  Fuck ESPN. 

I'm glad I didn't watch it.  It was too easy to predict what direction it would take. 

 

[JR4AU]

It's a divisive issue.  The only people I've heard defend the thing at all are both in this thread.  They're entitled to their opinion.

From every account other than those two it was poorly done, reflected badly on both sides and completely failed to portray anything but the absolute most extreme fringe elements of the rivalry.  It skipped over things that were critical in order to focus on things that were extraneous.

When both Bama and Auburn fans are united in collective scorn?  That says a lot.

It did nobody but Finebaum any favors.  Fuck it.  Fuck ESPN. 

I'm glad I didn't watch it.  It was too easy to predict what direction it would take.

If you're counting me in as defending it, then you missed what I said.  I defended the filmmakers choice of focus, well, because it was a good focus.  2 Heisman and BCS winners in the same state in successive years, and also bitter rivals.  I get trying to shed some light on the fringe element too, but NOT making it the focal point to the extent they did.  The idea had potential, and certainly the telling of the history of the rivalry has great entertainment potential .  They failed miserably in their execution. 

[dallaswareagle]

My wife has been with me for about 20 years-Has attended games and will attend more. She has no concept of what this is. What it means to me. Too us. When it showed the AU-UA game from last year and Lutz caught the pass I hollered with glee at the TV. Dyers run in the MNC, you betcha.  When they showed anything Turd related I cussed from memory of what those cock-bite faggot ass sorry motherfuckers are. She what Sullivan said was true about understanding from what we come from and what we (both schools) did over the last two years. I told her she doesn’t understand is that we (Auburn) are Israel and the mindless fucks to the north are Palestine (hell bent on our destruction). She said I was crazy.  I said that’s SEC football.   

[AUJarhead]

I said that’s SEC football the Iron Bowl.   

I've had friends of mine from high school who went to LSU, and they have told me on many occasions that they wish they had a rival that they could hate as much as Auburn hates Alabama.

[Kaos]

I've had friends of mine from high school who went to LSU, and they have told me on many occasions that they wish they had a rival that they could hate as much as Auburn hates Alabama.

There's a pretty large segment on other boards who are now glad they don't after watching last night's exercise. 

My Michigan friend says "we may hate OSU, but at least we're not youse guyz" 

That's what a lot of you are missing.  Yeah, Harvey apparently made Bama look bad.  But outside?  There's no difference.  He is them, he is us, we are them.  No distinction. 

[Saniflush]

I've had friends of mine from high school who went to LSU, and they have told me on many occasions that they wish they had a rival that they could hate as much as Auburn hates Alabama.

They do......
Soap be thy name.

[Snaggletiger]

They do......
Soap be thy name.

Hustle..ur doin' it rite.

[Saniflush]

Hustle..ur doin' it rite.

It was no pop up blocker

[AUChizad]

The filmmaker is on Finebaum now defending the people bitching about too much Finebaum and too much Updyke.

Makes sense to me.

[AUChizad]

Something really subtle and interesting I didn't catch.

They filmed every Auburn person on one side (to left of the screen) and every Bama person on another side (to the right of the screen) to create a subconscious division.

The only person filmed dead on "down the middle" was Finebaum. 

[AUChizad]

Exactly as I was trying to say, he is saying the objective was to display three acts. Act I, a brief synopsis of the rivalry's history, as a foundation to understand the rivalry. And then go into how crazy this rivalry has become with Act II being Alabama's successful 2009, with Act III being Auburn's successful 2010. He said explicitly that he absolutely wishes he could have spent longer on some of the history. Said that there was so much more interesting avenues he wished he could have delved into particularly when the rivalry went on hiatus between 1908 & 1948. But he only had an hour to tell his story, and the only purpose of scratching the surface on the history of the Iron Bowl was to try to attempt to put the last two years into context.