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Auburn-South Carolina Game Thread

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Re: Auburn-South Carolina Game Thread
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2011, 06:02:26 PM »
I know he's failed some, but the play selection has been weak overall in the first half.
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Re: Auburn-South Carolina Game Thread
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2011, 06:20:11 PM »
I am glad they have been working on tackling.

It shows.
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Re: Auburn-South Carolina Game Thread
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2011, 06:34:42 PM »
I am glad they have been working on tackling.

It shows.
Yeah in spurts
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Re: Auburn-South Carolina Game Thread
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2011, 08:26:15 PM »
Defensively we were inconsistent, especially in the 3rd quarter but we have some confidence to build on with probably half as many missed tackles as in any previous game. We applied some occaisional natural pressure inside and our overall coverage was very good. 
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Re: Auburn-South Carolina Game Thread
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2011, 09:09:34 PM »
Defensively we were inconsistent, especially in the 3rd quarter but we have some confidence to build on with probably half as many missed tackles as in any previous game. We applied some occaisional natural pressure inside and our overall coverage was very good. 
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Fuck a C+ Overall. On the road, at the #10 team's house, against a Top Tier RB/Heisman List player, and bringing in one of the worst Defenses in the Country for the first 4 games?

Offense D+
Defense B+
Special Teams B

Overall A- (given the way we've played for our first 4 games and with everyone talking so much shit about Auburn's Defense. Also this against a #10 team)...they deserve it.

Also, it isn't just the protection, it's the play calling and the receivers aren't getting open when Trotter scrambles...also, the pass plays seem to only have two receivers running routes. I totally agree with whomever said that.
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Re: Auburn-South Carolina Game Thread
« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2011, 09:19:43 PM »
Fuck a C+ Overall. On the road, at the #10 team's house, against a Top Tier RB/Heisman List player, and bringing in one of the worst Defenses in the Country for the first 4 games?

Offense D+
Defense B+
Special Teams B

Overall A- (given the way we've played for our first 4 games and with everyone talking so much shit about Auburn's Defense. Also this against a #10 team)...they deserve it.

Also, it isn't just the protection, it's the play calling and the receivers aren't getting open when Trotter scrambles...also, the pass plays seem to only have two receivers running routes. I totally agree with whomever said that.

#10   SC was over hyped and over rated.  I am glad as anyone for the W. But had we had better O (QB) we should have won that game by 21.
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Re: Auburn-South Carolina Game Thread
« Reply #26 on: October 01, 2011, 09:28:38 PM »
fudge a C+ Overall. On the road, at the #10 team's house, against a Top Tier RB/Heisman List player, and bringing in one of the worst Defenses in the Country for the first 4 games?

Offense D+
Defense B+
Special Teams B

Overall A- (given the way we've played for our first 4 games and with everyone talking so much shitake about Auburn's Defense. Also this against a #10 team)...they deserve it.

Also, it isn't just the protection, it's the play calling and the receivers aren't getting open when Trotter scrambles...also, the pass plays seem to only have two receivers running routes. I totally agree with whomever said that.

I think that's because of the lack of confidence in the O-line.  We are max protecting an awful lot.
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Re: Auburn-South Carolina Game Thread
« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2011, 09:38:03 PM »
I think that's because of the lack of confidence in the O-line.  We are max protecting an awful lot.

And there still getting to the QB.   ?????????
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Re: Auburn-South Carolina Game Thread
« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2011, 10:03:26 PM »
And there still getting to the QB.   ?????????

No, the protection, while not stellar, isn't that bad, Trotter holds the ball too long.
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Re: Auburn-South Carolina Game Thread
« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2011, 10:16:44 PM »
No, the protection, while not stellar, isn't that bad, Trotter holds the ball too long.

It's like your in my head...from 3 weeks ago...
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Re: Auburn-South Carolina Game Thread
« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2011, 10:17:53 PM »
#10   SC was over hyped and over rated.  I am glad as anyone for the W. But had we had better O (QB) we should have won that game by 21.
You're talking to a guy who thinks Utah St, FAU, and Miss. St. are about to compete for a NC. Don't waste your time.

Is USCe all of the above that you described? Yes. They need to drop out of the top 25. Gotta give AU credit, though. They could have just as well lost the game. However, they got shit done. Dyer is a fucking MAN. Everybody on the team owes him a steak dinner. That is one tough bastard. Does AU have problems? You bet your ass. But you guys won, and that's all that matters today.
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Re: Auburn-South Carolina Game Thread
« Reply #31 on: October 01, 2011, 10:18:30 PM »
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If you have anything negative to say about a player after today you need to be evaluated. AU played well, some mistakes being made, and won the game. What else do you need. Most expected us to get blown out. This team showed what it can do. MIght have a let down here and there but I'm looking forward to the road ahead. War Eagle!!! Let's see what we can do in arky next week.

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We could/should have scored 40. 
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Re: Auburn-South Carolina Game Thread
« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2011, 10:36:37 PM »
If you have anything negative to say about a player (Trotter) after today you need to be evaluated. AU played well, some mistakes being made(Trotter), and won the game. What else do you need. Most expected us to get blown out. This team showed what it can do. MIght have a let down here (Trotter) and there but I'm looking forward to the road ahead. War Eagle!!! Let's see what we can do in arky next week.


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Re: Auburn-South Carolina Game Thread
« Reply #33 on: October 02, 2011, 10:04:58 AM »
Defensively we were inconsistent, especially in the 3rd quarter but we have some confidence to build on with probably half as many missed tackles as in any previous game. We applied some occaisional natural pressure inside and our overall coverage was very good. 
C+

We gave up 280 total yards to one of the best WR/RB combos in the country. Top 10 team. On their turf. In the SEC. Do you realize how hard that is?? Roof sucking aside, that was an impressive performance.
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Re: Auburn-South Carolina Game Thread
« Reply #34 on: October 02, 2011, 10:07:01 AM »
We could/should have scored 40.

THIS ^^^

The D wasnt the issue tonight. We all know what the issue is.
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Re: Auburn-South Carolina Game Thread
« Reply #35 on: October 02, 2011, 10:26:14 AM »
THIS ^^^

The D wasnt the issue tonight. We all know what the issue is.

I read the Creed.

It doesn't say anything about plodding, ineffective quarterbacks. 

It didn't say anything about abysmal defenses either.
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Re: Auburn-South Carolina Game Thread
« Reply #36 on: October 02, 2011, 10:42:41 AM »
I read the Creed.

It doesn't say anything about plodding, ineffective quarterbacks. 

It didn't say anything about abysmal defenses either.

I guess my point was, others were saying that Trotters issue were of no concern and if anything, was caused by the D's inept nature. That was not the case yesterday. D was fine. And he still sucked all by his lonesome. No excuse for him. He got decent protection. WR's were open enough.
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Re: Auburn-South Carolina Game Thread
« Reply #37 on: October 02, 2011, 11:17:15 AM »
I guess my point was, others were saying that Trotters issue were of no concern and if anything, was caused by the D's inept nature. That was not the case yesterday. D was fine. And he still sucked all by his lonesome. No excuse for him. He got decent protection. WR's were open enough.

I was one of those.  I was both right and wrong.  The Def. was different yesterday.  Taken over by Chiz?  Don't know, but it sure as hell looked like he's much more involved in it.  At one point during one of those final time outs during the last drive, I saw Chiz flat out giving Roof the business.  I couldn't read his lips,  but they were going at each other, and Chiz appeared to pull the "I'm the fucking HC, your way sux, do it my way" card. I saw Chiz many times talking to Def. players before they were to go out on the field.  I also saw a much more aggressive defense, SLIGHTLY improved tackling...only slightly, and much  better play by the DBs.  Bell even had Alshon covered and turned to play the ball on that TD pass, he was simply beaten by a much better player.  Fact is few CBs in the country would have won that battle.

Trotter?  He wasn't THE issue the last few weeks.  I had conceded he wasn't great, and that he often failed to see open receivers, but thought that would get better.  It hasn't.  A real SEC defense exposed him.  He simply cannot make himself pull the trigger.  Then, in a pinch, when we have to have a play, he forces bad throws.  Worst combination I can imagine. 

I've read and heard bitches about "play calling".  Bullshit!  Just like every game, there was a plan yesterday.  Gus calls plays like a "series offense" play caller does.  He hits you with something until you adjust to stop it, then takes advantage of the adjustment.  Well, To USCe's credit, they never gave him the adjustment to hit the Buck Sweep.  They chose to funnel Dyer inside to the LBs  Pretty smart move.  We ran Power and Counter probably 40 times yesterday.   The Buck Sweep is the homerun threat in the run game.  The play action passing game?  When it became crystal clear Gus wasn't going to risk throwing, they shut down Dyer too.  Well, Gus doesn't have to rip pages out of the playbook for Trotter.  Trotter took out 99% of the passing game for him yesterday.  QB draw on 3rd and 10?  Gus was scared shitless to throw it!  And well he should be!   There was a decent plan, Trotter fucked it in the ass hard.  We left somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 to as much as 21 points on the field yesterday due to Trotter, and Trotter alone.  The pass pro was adequate most times...good enough Trotter got to his drop point and had time to look before he bailed out early, and ran because he failed to find an open WR.  I knew there were issues, I hoped he'd improve.  He didn't. 

Don't give a shit what you say about Garcia, the Def. flat carried the team yesterday.  Punter was brilliant too.   Chiz found a way to get the Defense to play good enough, now it's on Chiz and Gus.  Does Chiz have the nuts to give Trotter the hook?  Does he even think he needs to?  What are Gus' feelings on it.  Is he the one keeping Trotter out there, or is it Chiz...OR is it that he is really the best option on the team?  IMHO, yesterday's performance tells me they have some soul searching do to on both QB and the approach to offense.  Trotter isn't even serviceable vs SEC defenses.  Makes Chris Todd look like a great QB.  Gus has the tools in the toolbag to be an option team.  We saw much of it last year.  Frazier has the wheels, and can't be any worse passing than Trotter. 
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Re: Auburn-South Carolina Game Thread
« Reply #38 on: October 02, 2011, 11:38:45 AM »
Gus has the tools in the toolbag to be an option team.  We saw much of it last year.  Frazier has the wheels, and can't be any worse passing than Trotter.

My thoughts exactly. 

I still go back to what West Virginia did with Pat White.  We have the talent to run a similar offense.

It's not like we're trying to run a passing offense and failing.  We aren't even throwing it.  We aren't going 6 for 24 for 70 yards and 2 ints.

Trotter's holding onto the ball, and when he does try to run, he fails.  Why not do the same shit we've been doing but have a mobile quarterback? 

If we're going to run the ball 41 times up the middle, why not have multiple legs to do it? 

That option attempt would have worked.  Trotter had a lane.  They played the pitch, and Trotter made the correct read.  He was just too slow and wimpy to get any positive yards out of it.

Had that been Frazier, I bet he gets at least 5 yards if not more if they miss the tackle.
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Re: Auburn-South Carolina Game Thread
« Reply #39 on: October 02, 2011, 11:47:16 AM »
My thoughts exactly. 

I still go back to what West Virginia did with Pat White.  We have the talent to run a similar offense.

It's not like we're trying to run a passing offense and failing.  We aren't even throwing it.  We aren't going 6 for 24 for 70 yards and 2 ints.

Trotter's holding onto the ball, and when he does try to run, he fails.  Why not do the same shit we've been doing but have a mobile quarterback? 

If we're going to run the ball 41 times up the middle, why not have multiple legs to do it? 

That option attempt would have worked.  Trotter had a lane.  They played the pitch, and Trotter made the correct read.  He was just too slow and wimpy to get any positive yards out of it.

Had that been Frazier, I bet he gets at least 5 yards if not more if they miss the tackle.

Gus doesn't have to abandon what he does.  His offense has the tools needed.  All he needs is either the order from Chiz to do it, or the nuts to tell Chiz that's what needs to be done, and be allowed to do it.  That said, I think all parties concerned would like to have at least a threat of a passing attack.   
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