Mizzou in, Auburn to the east??

[JR4AU]

We ain't having no part of a conference that has a division named "North"

I can actually get behind that.

[Saniflush]

  Ask Ark. fans if they aren't on par with the big boys.  They're just like bammer and LSU according to them.

BOOM!

[Token]

Football is cyclical, you're thinking in terms of today.  UGA and UT are likely set to become powers again, sooner rather than later (UGA will replace Richt, and who knows what new blood brings there), and USCe is usually going to be decent (as good as, and usually better than Ole Miss and MSU), and can, on occasion, contend.  Ask Ark. fans if they aren't on par with the big boys.  They're just like bammer and LSU according to them.

In 19 years of the SEC championship games, you're putting a division together in the north that have won the SEC Championship a grand total of 4 times.  The south has teams who have won it 15 times.  Nothing cyclical about it. 

[Kaos]

How about a complete shake up:

SEC North Chumps: UK, UT, UGA, USCe, Ark, Mizzou, Vandy

SEC South Champs: UF, LSU, Bammer, AU, aTm, MSU, Ole Miss

 

If they break it all up, they'll have to do what they did originally. Take the six "powers" and then split the divisions somehow keeping three in each. 

Powers = Auburn, Alabama, Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, LSU

Think they are Powers, but are not: Arky and SC

Putzes = Missouri, A&M, Ole Miss, Vandy, Kentucky, MSU

[Token]

http://newsok.com/breaking-removal-of-big-12-commissioner-dan-beebe-among-ous-demands/article/3605958?custom_click=breaking_news

Source: Removal of Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe among OU's demands

A high-ranking source told The Oklahoman on Tuesday that OU wants hard and fast rules for Texas and the removal of Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe in order for the Sooners to stay in the conference

The University of Oklahoma is considering remaining in the Big 12, but only in a “reformed” version of the conference that includes restrictions on Texas' Longhorn Network and removal of Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe, a high-ranking source at a Big 12 school said Tuesday.

OU president David Boren said Monday the Sooners would decide soon between applying for Pac-12 membership or staying in the Big 12, and the source outlined the parameters for remaining in the Big 12.

“It's going to take major, major reforms” for OU, and thus Oklahoma State, to consider remaining in the Big 12, the source said. “We'd have to have an interim commissioner.”

The source said the league presidents do not believe Beebe responded with adequate leadership to Nebraska's and Texas A&M's frustration, even though Beebe was rewarded last November with a contract extension through 2015.

The Big 12 has lost three members in the last 15 months, and “the relationships were so bad (with) the commissioner,” the source said.

The other reform the Sooners demand is Texas and ESPN retreating on some of their plans for the Longhorn Network. The UT/ESPN partnership angered Big 12 members on two counts: 1) ESPN reached an agreement with Fox Sports to move a conference football game to the Longhorn Network; and 2) The Longhorn Network announced it would show high school highlights even after the conference voted to keep televised high school games off school-branded networks.

The source said it is not inevitable that OU and OSU will go to the Pac-12, even though the OU regents support the move.

Both Boren and athletic director Joe Castiglione have stated their desire to make the Big 12 work, as have OSU president Burns Hargis and athletic director Mike Holder.

“No one wants to give up on it,” an OSU source said of the Big 12. The problems have “nothing to do with finances. It has nothing to do with success. For the league to be falling apart, it's crazy.”

But the high-ranking source at a Big 12 school said OU is willing to consider only a reformed Big 12.

The source said conference expansion is not a major issue, that while the Big 12 likely needs to return to 10 or 12 schools, the reforms are a much higher priority for stabilizing the conference.

Tuesday, the Birmingham News reported that Missouri has tentatively agreed to join the Southeastern Conference, “barring new developments.” It's likely that the Big 12 would not continue without Missouri.

Texas A&M's move to the SEC has been held up by Baylor's threat of litigation. But the reforms OU seeks would not entice the Aggies to remain in the Big 12.

“We are gone,” said an A&M official.

Earlier Tuesday, OSU booster Boone Pickens, who tried to use his influence in the state of Texas to get A&M to make the same demands of UT that OU now is making, said he detected a thaw in the Aggies' stance.

Pickens even contacted Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who is running for the Republican presidential nomination.

Pickens said he told Perry to show America that “you fix problems, don't contribute to 'em.”

Perry is a former Texas A&M yell leader. “After the Aggies leave school, they're still looking for a yell leader,” Pickens said. He said he told Perry to be that leader.

But A&M vice president for communications Jason Cook, responding to Pickens, said, “Texas A&M has made our intentions perfectly clear. We do not intend to be a member of the Big 12 past this season.”

Another source from a Big 12 school said OU's demands could prompt Texas to compromise. If the Sooners and Cowboys leave the Big 12, Texas is not likely to stay and almost surely would have to acquiesce on its network anyway, in some other league. Why not give in and keep the Big 12 together?

“You've got to have some of these items of trust,” the first source said. “Some clear understanding of what individual networks can do.”

The source said OU's goal is not to run the Big 12. He said OU's goal is to not have any school run the conference.

And the impression has been that Texas, via Beebe, has run roughshod over the Big 12.

“The perception is, he answers only to one school,” the source said. “That does not work.”

The source said Beebe made the decision that appeasing Texas was the Big 12's best hope for stability. “He made the wrong decision,” the source said. Instead, that led to instability, with the departure of Nebraska and now A&M.

The source said Big 12 presidents view Beebe as a commissioner serving only one school, Texas. They lay Nebraska's departure in June 2010 at the feet of Beebe.

“When a commissioner has a tin ear to what's happening in Nebraska and doesn't get himself up there…” the source said.

Ironically, the source said, Texas supported another candidate for commissioner four years ago, when Beebe was hired, while OU supported Beebe.

The source also said Beebe left items off the conference agenda that could have helped corral The Longhorn Network, such as a conference game being televised.

“The best commissioner's a consensus builder,” the source said. “We need a consensus-builder commissioner.

“You take the Big Ten, SEC, the Pac-12, their conference office runs circles around our conference in capability, not to mention bias. This commissioner totally cost us Texas A&M.”

The source said that OU could even push for revenue-sharing of individual networks. Texas is reaping more than $12 million a year from its ESPN contract with the Longhorn Network.

“What if we share a small percentage?” the source asked. “That's a real strong show of support. Where's anybody going to go in any other conference that doesn't want all your network? Wouldn't it be a nice show of good faith?

“It would be making sure the conference was even-handed and stable.

“It's true there's some things in favor of the Pac-12. Plain stability. We don't want to have to do this every year. What do we do? What do we do?”

Read more: http://newsok.com/source-removal-of-big-12-commissioner-dan-beebe-among-ous-demands/article/3605958#ixzz1Yb6hjXtl

[JR4AU]

In 19 years of the SEC championship games, you're putting a division together in the north that have won the SEC Championship a grand total of 4 times.  The south has teams who have won it 15 times.  Nothing cyclical about it.

Auburn is irrelevant though, so we don't count. 

And yes, there's plenty cyclical about it.  UGA, UT, and UF, all powers, all currently down.

[JR4AU]

If they break it all up, they'll have to do what they did originally. Take the six "powers" and then split the divisions somehow keeping three in each. 

Powers = Auburn, Alabama, Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, LSU

Think they are Powers, but are not: Arky and SC

Putzes = Missouri, A&M, Ole Miss, Vandy, Kentucky, MSU

Not sure I completely agree that A&M and Mizzou are on par with the other putzes.  I'd put them with Ark and SC. 

But your division works too.

[Tiger Wench]

Dan Beebee is about as popular out here as Obama is.  And not without reason - just like BarryO, he fucks up everything he touches, says the wrong things in the wrong places at the wrong times, and is a generally all around fucktard.  We bash Mike Slive, but he seems to run a tight ship.  We should thank our lucky stars he is nothing like what the Big 12 has.

[Townhallsavoy]

Wasn't Dan Beebe the main guy to hammer SMU back when he worked for the NCAA?

[Token]

Wasn't Dan Beebe the main guy to hammer SMU back when he worked for the NCAA?

I thought he was the only white guy to play wide receiver in the 90's. 

[JR4AU]

I thought he was the only white guy to play wide receiver in the 90's.

Ran a 4.2 40, barefoot...

[GH2001]

Anyone know a good divorce lawyer...?  We take out our aggressions one weekend a year. 

Dammit. 

I guess I will be demanding to fly home for one game a year now... unless we are in rotation with LSU or A&M.

Fucking Aggies screw everything up.

The Aggies didn't start this. Their rival in Austin did.

K is right. No one wants to touch the LHN. They have pissed so many people off with their holier than thou attitude and we're bigger than everyone else mentality, yet they can't seem to survive without a conference to live in. UT is scared to death of being independent.

Fuck the horns and their hypocritical asses. Nebraska, Aggie and Colorado have already said it to them. The PAC 12 just said it to them. Who's next?

[GH2001]

Not sure I completely agree that A&M and Mizzou are on par with the other putzes.  I'd put them with Ark and SC. 

But your division works too.

Arky is not > aTm historically. I would say they are even if anything.

SC barely has a .500 record all time. Mizzou - yes, they are a putz.

[JR4AU]

Arky is not > aTm historically. I would say they are even if anything.

SC barely has a .500 record all time. Mizzou - yes, they are a putz.

After looking at Mizzou's all time record, I agree.  I think I was confrusing them with Iowa.  Mizzou sucks ass. 

[JR4AU]

Ark and aTm are virtually mirror images when it comes to football historically.  Both claim 1 NC (Ark '64, aTm '39), Ark claims 13 Conf. Titles, aTm 18.   Neither has done jack shit since leaving the old SWC, though aTm did win one Big 12 Title in 98.

Lifetime W/L

aTm 674-444-48

Ark 668-452-39

[Tiger Wench]

[GH2001]

After looking at Mizzou's all time record, I agree.  I think I was confrusing them with Iowa.  Mizzou sucks ass.

FIXT

Elite Powers (top 10 all time) - Alabama, Tennessee

Powers = Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU

Think they are Powers, but are not: Arky and aTm

Putzes = Missouri, SC, Ole Miss, Vandy, Kentucky, MSU

[War Eagle!!!]

It looks like Missou may stay put now. If we are still taking A&M, which I think COULD be a good move, I say we take TCU. Seriously. Decent football program. Really good baseball program. And over all great academics and school. That way, we take more of Texas and keep this thing some what regional...

[Kaos]

It looks like Missou may stay put now. If we are still taking A&M, which I think COULD be a good move, I say we take TCU. Seriously. Decent football program. Really good baseball program. And over all great academics and school. That way, we take more of Texas and keep this thing some what regional...

I say we take neither. 

Fuck TCU, BTW. 

[JR4AU]

I say we take neither. 

Fuck TCU, BTW.

We don't need them, they need the SEC.  We are The Joneses.