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It never ends: Part 3472

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It never ends: Part 3472
« on: June 14, 2011, 10:58:17 AM »
First line of an Ivan Maisel story about problems in college football.

The 2010 BCS champion is under NCAA investigation.

Seriously?  Where's the letter?  Where's the confirmation? 

That this article is filed under a video of that smug ass John Saunders making his Sports Reporters slam is a further affront. 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=maisel_ivan&id=6656137

He later tosses this gem:
Current BCS champ Auburn remains under the cloud of NCAA investigation.

What's being investigated?  What fucking cloud? 
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Re: It never ends: Part 3472
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2011, 11:24:46 AM »
It's another example of say it enough times and people eventually take it as the gospel.  He's done no checking, no investigation, verified nothing (And on top of that, why would anyone at the NCAA verify anything to Ivan Maisel?) but people like Saunders and Schad and Finebaum throw it out there like it's common knowledge so others like Maisel feel free to do the same.   
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Re: It never ends: Part 3472
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2011, 11:31:01 AM »
Also infuriating is that they cite eachother as sources.

If someone calls Finebaum on it when he says the NCAA is currently investigating Auburn, he says "Well Joe Schad says they are, ok. ESPN is reporting it. You know more than ESPN?"

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Re: It never ends: Part 3472
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2011, 04:44:24 PM »
It's another example of say it enough times and people eventually take it as the gospel.  He's done no checking, no investigation, verified nothing (And on top of that, why would anyone at the NCAA verify anything to Ivan Maisel?) but people like Saunders and Schad and Finebaum throw it out there like it's common knowledge so others like Maisel feel free to do the same.

If the idiots had any sense they'd just start saying we've been sanctioned, the crystal football smashed to smithereens, and Cam's Heisman returned and was given to Ginger McElroy.  If they said it enough it would become fact.
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Re: It never ends: Part 3472
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2011, 07:41:16 PM »
If the idiots had any sense they'd just start saying we've been sanctioned, the crystal football smashed to smithereens, and Cam's Heisman returned and was given to Ginger McElroy.  If they said it enough it would become fact.
A female caller pointed out that AU has received no letter. Finebaum, in all of his years as the "most powerful man" still doesn't know when a letter is issued...at the onset before or after an investigation...totally baffled. He should have a real grasp of NCAA protocol being such a fucking homer of major violators.

He could only name two assistants (Malzahn and Smart) worthy of head coaching positions later in the show. And for a guy whose business it is to know these things it is very telling just how little he actually knows beyond his own backyard. He is truly a local show with a wide reach of contacts and cronies in the business. Other than that, he comes off as a pretender and only fares well when he has time to prepare (defending Newton v. the Orlando idiot) or in a controlled environment , his own show.
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Re: It never ends: Part 3472
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2011, 08:05:28 PM »
Pile it on...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6661920&campaign=rss&source=NCFHeadlines

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NCAA probe won't halt Gene Chizik pay

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MONTGOMERY, Ala. -- Auburn coach Gene Chizik's new contract allows him to be paid if there is an NCAA investigation into possible major rules violations, a departure from his previous deal.

Chizik's new deal, released to The Associated Press on Tuesday, merely says the coach agrees to comply with Southeastern Conference and NCAA rules and disciplinary procedures and cites Article 4 of the SEC's constitution outlining the commissioner's authority and Bylaw 19:8, which deals with enforcement.

The bylaw is under revision, and SEC spokesman Charles Bloom said it is not ready for distribution. Chizik's attorney, Russ Campbell of Birmingham, declined comment and Auburn officials had no immediate comment.

The old one signed in June 2009 included a stipulation allowing Auburn to suspend pay to Chizik if his program is being investigated by the university, the SEC or the NCAA for "alleged major rules violations or significant or repetitive violations."

Auburn has faced considerable negative publicity and NCAA scrutiny in the months before and after winning the national title.

The NCAA is investigating the recruitment of Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback Cam Newton, whose father shopped him to Mississippi State in a pay-for-play scheme. Auburn has not been charged with wrongdoing.

Plus, four former players told HBO's "Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel" in a March report that they were paid thousands of dollars during their college careers.

Chizik was rewarded for winning a national title in his second season with a contract that places him among college football's highest paid coaches.

His new deal, which extends through 2015, includes a sliding-scale buyout that starts at $10 million if he's fired this season.

If Chizik wants to leave at any time, he'll owe Auburn $3.5 million.

He can make another $1 million in bonuses, including $100,000 for winning the SEC championship game, $50,000 for playing in it - and the same amounts for making and winning a BCS bowl game. He'd make $200,000 for playing for the national title and $400,000 for winning one.

Chizik's coaching staff also received raises and extensions. Auburn's assistants will make nearly $4.1 million, only about $300,000 shy of Chizik and his entire staff's initial combined salaries.

Offensive coordinator Gus Malzahn received a raise to $1.3 million after interviewing for Vanderbilt's head coaching job.

Defensive coordinator Ted Roof is the next highest paid assistant at $500,000, a 23 percent hike.

The coaches' contracts run through June 2013, though assistant head coach Trooper Taylor's $425,000 annual deal runs an extra year. Taylor would also get an extra $50,000 for each year he's still at Auburn the day after national signing day.

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Re: It never ends: Part 3472
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2011, 09:06:15 PM »
Once in a while F'bomb throws out something...most never hear it, and it doesn't get repeated by the bammer morons because it doesn't suit them.  In response to one of the hoards of "the truth will eventually come out about Cam" idiot callers, he very quickly said..."if that ever happens, in my opinion one SEC school will likely have problems, and it won't be Auburn, it will be MSU."
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Re: It never ends: Part 3472
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2011, 10:53:59 PM »
Once in a while F'bomb throws out something...most never hear it, and it doesn't get repeated by the bammer morons because it doesn't suit them.  In response to one of the hoards of "the truth will eventually come out about Cam" idiot callers, he very quickly said..."if that ever happens, in my opinion one SEC school will likely have problems, and it won't be Auburn, it will be MSU."

Thank you.  Has anyone realized what the first highlighted sentence of that article says?  IF....IF the NCAA is investigating Cam's recruitment....they're knocking on MSU doors. But as long as you can say the NCAA is investigating, the logical assertion is that it's AU being investigated. 
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Re: It never ends: Part 3472
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2011, 09:46:23 AM »
That article was front page, top story in The Dothan Eagle this morning.  You couldn't fit a bigger, more bold headline on the page reading, "Coach To Be Paid During NCAA Probe".  The Chin's pic front and center.

Again, it says nothing about Chizik or Auburn being under NCAA investigation but most people without a dog in the fight  just go, "Yep, just a matter of time before the hammer drops on Auburn".
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Re: It never ends: Part 3472
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2011, 09:49:42 AM »
That article was front page, top story in The Dothan Eagle this morning.  You couldn't fit a bigger, more bold headline on the page reading, "Coach To Be Paid During NCAA Probe".  The Chin's pic front and center.

Again, it says nothing about Chizik or Auburn being under NCAA investigation but most people without a dog in the fight  just go, "Yep, just a matter of time before the hammer drops on Auburn".
Yeah, completely misleading headline. And it's not by accident.

"Coach To Be Paid During NCAA Probe" <--- Implies Chizik is and will be paid during the NCAA Probe that is currently underway.

Reality: "Coach Would Be Paid Should NCAA Probe Occur". I would have no problem with that headline.
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Re: It never ends: Part 3472
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2011, 11:14:18 AM »
That article was front page, top story in The Dothan Eagle this morning.  You couldn't fit a bigger, more bold headline on the page reading, "Coach To Be Paid During NCAA Probe".  The Chin's pic front and center.

Again, it says nothing about Chizik or Auburn being under NCAA investigation but most people without a dog in the fight  just go, "Yep, just a matter of time before the hammer drops on Auburn".

Is there not something from a legal standpoint about that title if a probe is not going on? Assuming that Auburn or Chizik can prove character damage, it would seem a good case for Defamation. I will let JR tell me wrong.
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Re: It never ends: Part 3472
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2011, 11:27:05 AM »
Is there not something from a legal standpoint about that title if a probe is not going on? Assuming that Auburn or Chizik can prove character damage, it would seem a good case for Defamation. I will let JR tell me wrong.

There's really not.  The headline does nothing more than imply without saying it directly.  Technically, it's 100% correct.  It's the best and worst in journalism.  It catches your eye and begs you to read the article.  On the other hand, it implies that something bad is going on at AU and with Chizik so the casual observer who isn't doing anything but scanning the paper perceives there's a problem.
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Re: It never ends: Part 3472
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2011, 11:53:31 AM »
That headline is also on ESPN today.  Fuck em all.
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Re: It never ends: Part 3472
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2011, 12:12:49 PM »
That headline is also on ESPN today.  Fuck em all.
The article I linked is from ESPN.
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Re: It never ends: Part 3472
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2011, 12:57:54 PM »
Same shit different day.  There was an article by one of the ESPN cocksuckers that headlined: Texts Link Cecil Newton to Pay for Play" followed by an article that outlined it all, including Bill Bell saying "I never actually heard Cecil ask for money", and him saying that all the texts he got were from Rogers, not Cecil. 

No ethics any more in reporting, and the idiot masses for their opinion based on the headline, and don't bother to read the body, and if they do, their idiot minds don't comprehend that the headline and body of the story don't remotely match.
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Re: It never ends: Part 3472
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2011, 09:20:49 AM »
Today's headline:
College football cheaters need to be unplugged (Bean)
Accompanying picture:

Former Auburn quarterback Cameron Newton caries the ball against Arkansas last season. (Press-Register, Bill Starling)
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Re: It never ends: Part 3472
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2011, 09:24:51 AM »
Where is this from?  Looks like the pic is from MPR.  Is there an article?
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Re: It never ends: Part 3472
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2011, 09:28:30 AM »
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/06/college_football_cheaters_need.html

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How can the NCAA send a strong, clear message that impermissible benefits, cover-ups and general cheating won't be tolerated?

Slap a football program with a television ban, including a prohibition on pay-for-view coverage. Auburn fans remember the agony of the 1993 season when the Tigers went 11-0 but couldn't do any of the winning in front of TV cameras.

The whispers about the widespread boosters' improper cash payments and sweetheart car deals have simmered on the college sports scene for years, but the staccato revelations surrounding the smarmy pay-for-play scheme surrounding Heisman Trophy winner Cam Newton and Ohio State's memorabilia-for-tattoos scandal revealed the ugly underbelly of college sports.

And as details continue to emerge at different schools around the country,

Josh Bean's column appears on Thursdays in the Press-Register. Contact him at jbean@press-register.com
the story increasingly mirrors baseball's steroid scandal, which saw fans transform from skeptical to accepting that steroids dominated the game for at least a decade.

Is college football headed down the same road? The NCAA needs to do something bold to counter what appears to have become a culture of cheating, especially in the wake of Southern Cal vacating its 2004 BCS national title.

If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying, right? Banning a big-time school from TV would certainly be an audacious way for the NCAA to encourage schools to follow the rules.

Nearly every big-time program in the country touts its sparkling academic center for athletes, but blue-chip football prospects see little -- if any -- allure in academic support. Major prospects have two major questions when deciding where to sign: How often do you play on TV? And how good are you at sending players to the NFL?

And the two questions will always remain linked.

Thanks to the Saturday combination of ESPN, CBS, ABC and the SEC Network, schools such as Alabama and Auburn need only worry about which network will grace its stadium with camera crews.

Playing on TV every week allows players to build a national following and informally court endorsement deals after college. Former Florida quarterback Tim Tebow capitalized on the Gators' extensive TV exposure, making him a celebrity in Denver before his plane ever landed there.

That's why players care about TV coverage, but imagine the chilling effect that would be felt throughout the country if Ohio State gets banned.

Those opposing a TV ban argue that it would hurt other schools by keeping them off the airwaves, but that's precisely why it's the right thing for the NCAA to do.
   
If Ohio State isn't on TV, that means Michigan and Purdue and everyone else in the Big Ten will get one less TV game that season. That makes cheating less desirable because it could hurt your school as well as every other school in your conference.
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Re: It never ends: Part 3472
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2011, 09:29:44 AM »
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Josh Bean is a sports reporter and columnist who covers high school sports for the Press-Register. He is also a member of the Alabama Sports Writers Association and the ASWA prep committee. He is a magna cum laude graduate of Walker College and a cum laude graduate of the University of Alabama. Bean lives in Brewton with his wife, Kerry, and son, Christopher. He previously worked at newspapers in Jasper, Ala.; Meridian, Miss.; Columbus, Ga.; High Point, N.C.; and Florence, Ala. He has also performed freelance work for Baseball America.

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Re: It never ends: Part 3472
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2011, 09:36:10 AM »


I was going to suggest a shovel to the face but it appears someone has already done that.
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