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Re: Brent Calloway didn't want to "mess" things up for "peaches"
« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2011, 11:16:30 AM »
What happened?
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"So I want everybody to think here for a second, how much does this game mean to you? 'Cause if it means something to you, you can't stand still. You understand? You play fast! You play strong! You go out there and dominate the man you're playing against, and you make his ass quit! That's our trademark! That's our M.O.... as a team! That's what people know us as!" ~ Nick Saban

Re: Brent Calloway didn't want to "mess" things up for "peaches"
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2011, 11:36:57 AM »
Only the last one makes sense in the context. The bolded make no sense.  Brent wanted to play RB. Not playing RB would have messed it up. And the other 2 would not have made sense. Brent loves Alabama? Yeah, so much he really didn't wanna go there. Sorry, but only the 4th one makes complete sense and I'm really steering down the path of objectivity here.

No you're not. 

It's 100% influenced by what you want to happen. 

We don't know "what" Calloway would have messed up.  We're left to interpret it however we feel, which the NCAA won't use in determining if a violation occurred.
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Re: Brent Calloway didn't want to "mess" things up for "peaches"
« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2011, 11:46:38 AM »
No you're not. 

It's 100% influenced by what you want to happen. 

We don't know "what" Calloway would have messed up.  We're left to interpret it however we feel, which the NCAA won't use in determining if a violation occurred.

THS, the wording is suspicious.  Surely you can admit that?   I don't know what it means.  But taken at face value, it indicates there's something in place, something beyond the hopes and dreams of his family member, something tangible that will be fouled up by BC going to Alabama.  Does it absolutely mean that?  No, but on it's face it seems to indicate that. 

That suspicion grows when you view the lengths that Peaches went to to make sure his son went where Peaches wanted him to go, not where BC said he wanted to go.   

It grows even more when you factor in a grown business man, that is a huge bammer "supporter", that cultivates such a relationship with a HS Fr. that assists Peaches in getting him to and from Tuscaloser, and then secreting him away from Auburn (and any other school recruiting him).
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Re: Brent Calloway didn't want to "mess" things up for "peaches"
« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2011, 12:05:27 PM »
THS, the wording is suspicious.  Surely you can admit that?   I don't know what it means.  But taken at face value, it indicates there's something in place, something beyond the hopes and dreams of his family member, something tangible that will be fouled up by BC going to Alabama.  Does it absolutely mean that?  No, but on it's face it seems to indicate that. 

That suspicion grows when you view the lengths that Peaches went to to make sure his son went where Peaches wanted him to go, not where BC said he wanted to go.   

It grows even more when you factor in a grown business man, that is a huge bammer "supporter", that cultivates such a relationship with a HS Fr. that assists Peaches in getting him to and from Tuscaloser, and then secreting him away from Auburn (and any other school recruiting him).

^THIS X 100! All of it!

This is where the situation is at. There is a lot of suspicion, rightly so I might add, but nothing absolute at this point and we all know that. I still think J Lee has some goods and he hasn't told everything yet. Will it amount to anything, hell nobody knows but I do think that when all info is out there the NCAA will have to take a look themselves. Lets face it, that is the only time any of this will matter. 

I would like to add too that I do agree with THS when he said anyone of our teams being on NCAA probation is unhealthy for CFB, and we all love our football especially SEC football. With that said though, after this last year that Auburn has faced and being dragged through the mud I can't help but feel the desire for bama to really feel the heat on this one. There are many out there, some on this very site, that could prove the bammers led the witch hunt during the whole fiasco last year. Payback is a bitch.
« Last Edit: April 12, 2011, 12:06:12 PM by djsimp41 »
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Re: Brent Calloway didn't want to "mess" things up for "peaches"
« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2011, 12:19:50 PM »
So some white dude took Brent to P'cola? That seems kinda ghey or is that just me.
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Re: Brent Calloway didn't want to "mess" things up for "peaches"
« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2011, 12:30:49 PM »
So some white dude took Brent to P'cola? That seems kinda ghey or is that just me.
Kinda like some old white dude taking some young black boys on a fishing trip...
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Re: Brent Calloway didn't want to "mess" things up for "peaches"
« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2011, 01:06:07 PM »
Kinda like some old white dude taking some young black boys on a fishing trip...

That sounds ghey there also. Maybe the real story is the ghey.
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"So I want everybody to think here for a second, how much does this game mean to you? 'Cause if it means something to you, you can't stand still. You understand? You play fast! You play strong! You go out there and dominate the man you're playing against, and you make his ass quit! That's our trademark! That's our M.O.... as a team! That's what people know us as!" ~ Nick Saban

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Re: Brent Calloway didn't want to "mess" things up for "peaches"
« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2011, 01:21:27 PM »
No you're not. 

It's 100% influenced by what you want to happen. 

We don't know "what" Calloway would have messed up.  We're left to interpret it however we feel, which the NCAA won't use in determining if a violation occurred.
Ummm.. Yes I am. Don't tell me what I'm fucking thinking. Looking at this from the outside, that is the only one that remotely makes sense. The second one - possibly, but not as likely. You are really reaching on the other two. And no, we don't know what they were thinking when that was said. Its all a guess really.
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Re: Brent Calloway didn't want to "mess" things up for "peaches"
« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2011, 01:30:01 PM »
THS, the wording is suspicious.  Surely you can admit that?   I don't know what it means.  But taken at face value, it indicates there's something in place, something beyond the hopes and dreams of his family member, something tangible that will be fouled up by BC going to Alabama.  Does it absolutely mean that?  No, but on it's face it seems to indicate that. 

That suspicion grows when you view the lengths that Peaches went to to make sure his son went where Peaches wanted him to go, not where BC said he wanted to go.   

It grows even more when you factor in a grown business man, that is a huge bammer "supporter", that cultivates such a relationship with a HS Fr. that assists Peaches in getting him to and from Tuscaloser, and then secreting him away from Auburn (and any other school recruiting him).

It's 100% suspicious. 

And please don't take my devil's advocate stance as one that believes Bama is in the clear.  I'm just trying to show that nothing that's out there proves anything.  Or least, nothing that's out there is good enough to get the NCAA acting.  And it's definitely not enough to get Bama hammered. 

That's all I'm trying to show.  It's apparent Bama cheated to get Calloway.  Maybe the athletic department wasn't part of it, but it's obvious people connected to Alabama (fans, boosters, supporters, whatever) got Calloway. 
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Re: Brent Calloway didn't want to "mess" things up for "peaches"
« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2011, 01:32:35 PM »
Ummm.. Yes I am. Don't tell me what I'm fucking thinking. Looking at this from the outside, that is the only one that remotely makes sense. The second one - possibly, but not as likely. You are really reaching on the other two. And no, we don't know what they were thinking when that was said. Its all a guess really.

You said you weren't thinking.  You were positing an objective fact that the first three were impossible and the last one was the only logical conclusion. 

"Mess things up" is also not specific to Peaches.  According to the quote, Calloway is simply going to mess everything up.  For himself?  For his family?  For his career?  For Peaches? 

I can't tell.  We can speculate.  But we can't use the word "objective" at this point.
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Re: Brent Calloway didn't want to "mess" things up for "peaches"
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2011, 03:16:02 PM »
It grows even more when you factor in a grown business man, that is a huge bammer "supporter", that cultivates such a relationship with a HS Fr. that assists Peaches in getting him to and from Tuscaloser, and then secreting him away from Auburn (and any other school recruiting him).
Is that sort of like a coach who tries to keep a recruit away from Alabama, but will make him available as possible and bend over backwards for Auburn when that coach is coincidentally an Auburn fan? Hm. At this point, I'm not putting much stock in what Stancil or the coach says. Both are AU fans, so they're not very neutral. The fact that Alabama doesn't even plan on filing a report with the NCAA tells me something.

The NCAA knows this stuff is floating around. You're an idiot if you think they don't. If Alabama found any inclination of wrongdoing, I would think we would get the NCAA involved. I really don't think our compliance department would be stupid enough to know something went down with such allegations floating around, and not be cooperative, and then expect it to just go away. Especially when it's in a relative grey area. Alabama knows that if something went on, and they said it didn't and didn't self report, and then the NCAA came in and found out on their own, we would be assraped 6 ways from Sunday.

Knowing that Alabama chose not to file a report with the NCAA makes me feel a little more comfortable with the situation. Why would you file a report on something that did not take place? If the NCAA decides to take a look on their own (I think there is a good possibility of this happening), I think that would be great too. Not really worried about it.
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Re: Brent Calloway didn't want to "mess" things up for "peaches"
« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2011, 03:23:27 PM »
Is that sort of like a coach who tries to keep a recruit away from Alabama, but will make him available as possible and bend over backwards for Auburn when that coach is coincidentally an Auburn fan? Hm. At this point, I'm not putting much stock in what Stancil or the coach says. Both are AU fans, so they're not very neutral. The fact that Alabama doesn't even plan on filing a report with the NCAA tells me something.

The NCAA knows this stuff is floating around. You're an idiot if you think they don't. If Alabama found any inclination of wrongdoing, I would think we would get the NCAA involved. I really don't think our compliance department would be stupid enough to know something went down with such allegations floating around, and not be cooperative, and then expect it to just go away. Especially when it's in a relative grey area. Alabama knows that if something went on, and they said it didn't and didn't self report, and then the NCAA came in and found out on their own, we would be assraped 6 ways from Sunday.

Knowing that Alabama chose not to file a report with the NCAA makes me feel a little more comfortable with the situation. Why would you file a report on something that did not take place? If the NCAA decides to take a look on their own (I think there is a good possibility of this happening), I think that would be great too. Not really worried about it.

RWS, it's not just Auburn folks that are calling bullshit on this so called investigation that took only 48 hours or less to get people on the ground in Russelville, "investigate" (whatever that entails), get back to Turndville, pour over the mounds of information they must have obtained, have a finding of "we all good" and report it offcially.

I suspect that the NCAA will likely stand just as unimpressed as us Barners are...along with other more objective people saying the same things.  IMHO, bammer brought a lot of this extra stink on themselves by doing that.  Had they announced they were investigating it, and never said another word, it may have had far less fallout.  May still amount to nothing more than a popcorn fart, but it looks like, um, what was the popular catch phrase the bammers used so much during the Cam saga that it almost made me vomit?  Oh yea "Bammer is thumbing their noses at the NCAA".
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Re: Brent Calloway didn't want to "mess" things up for "peaches"
« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2011, 03:34:49 PM »
Maybe the real story is the ghey.

Very underrated post...
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Re: Brent Calloway didn't want to "mess" things up for "peaches"
« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2011, 04:48:52 PM »
After reading BC's interview on TideSports, I feel even better about this whole thing.
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Re: Brent Calloway didn't want to "mess" things up for "peaches"
« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2011, 04:56:31 PM »
After reading BC's interview on TideSports, I feel even better about this whole thing.

Ive heard lies told by kids whove done shit they shouldnt have before.  The stories are well rehearsed, and usually offer up innecessary detail and commentary.   Im not saying, im just sayin'.
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Re: Brent Calloway didn't want to "mess" things up for "peaches"
« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2011, 04:58:25 PM »
After reading BC's interview on TideSports, I feel even better about this whole thing.

Why? 

You've been attempting to be level-headed about this story.  But jumping on the BC interview is not level-headed.  It's homerish.

So the accused comes out and says, "Don't worry.  All is well." 

How does that resolve anything? 
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Re: Brent Calloway didn't want to "mess" things up for "peaches"
« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2011, 04:59:10 PM »
You're an idiot if you think they don't. If Alabama found any inclination of wrongdoing, I would think we would get the NCAA involved. I really don't think our compliance department would be stupid enough to know something went down with such allegations floating around, and not be cooperative, and then expect it to just go away.

Albert Means, Mal Moore, Gene Stallings, Antione Caldwell, Nick Saban, Glen Coffee, Marlon Davis, Marquis Johnson, Chris Rogers, Julio Jones, Mark Ingram, a fisherman, Marcel Dareus, a laptop, some players at UNC and some shortys in Miami all had this to say:

 :haha:
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Re: Brent Calloway didn't want to "mess" things up for "peaches"
« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2011, 05:08:56 PM »
Why? 

You've been attempting to be level-headed about this story.  But jumping on the BC interview is not level-headed.  It's homerish.

So the accused comes out and says, "Don't worry.  All is well." 

How does that resolve anything?
It doesn't mean it is absolute, but at least it is something from the horse's mouth. Like I said, I feel better about it. I would still like the NCAA to take a look, though. No matter what, if Alabama comes out clear in all of this, there will always be some reason coming from the Auburn side. We paid the NCAA. We paid witnesses. Etc, etc.
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Re: Brent Calloway didn't want to "mess" things up for "peaches"
« Reply #38 on: April 12, 2011, 05:14:28 PM »
It doesn't mean it is absolute, but at least it is something from the horse's mouth. Like I said, I feel better about it. I would still like the NCAA to take a look, though. No matter what, if Alabama comes out clear in all of this, there will always be some reason coming from the Auburn side. We paid the NCAA. We paid witnesses. Etc, etc.

The horse's mouth?  The horse was speaking to its jockey not its trainer. 

One thing I will give you - Calloway was allowed to speak to the media.  Is he on campus yet?  If not, then nevermind.  If so, then Saban must be real comfortable about it all to allow Calloway to do an interview.   
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Re: Brent Calloway didn't want to "mess" things up for "peaches"
« Reply #39 on: April 12, 2011, 05:17:58 PM »
The horse's mouth?  The horse was speaking to its jockey not its trainer. 

One thing I will give you - Calloway was allowed to speak to the media.  Is he on campus yet?  If not, then nevermind.  If so, then Saban must be real comfortable about it all to allow Calloway to do an interview.
I don't think he is on campus. But, I would imagine that he would have had to talk to Saban before doing an interview on something of this magnitude.
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